Brigitte Gabriel (1 Viewer)

[Mira]

Your challenge.
Challenge her to speak in front of a crowd in Beirut.
Don't make a challenge to folks it has nothing to do with, that's ridiculous, make it to her.



In addition.
It doesn't work that way.
You are the one claiming; "NOTHING of what she's talking about is true.", it is up to you to prove it with facts, not personal experience, and not for me to do some research. :doh

Page 84, marriage.

Lebanon: current issues and background - Google Recherche de Livres

 

[Coolguy]

Page 84, marriage.

Lebanon: current issues and background - Google Recherche de Livres

Sigh.
You can do better than that.

How does it prove she is lying, etc...



Maybe I should have just asked you to begin with.

Being that this is a debate forum, are you here to debate or just voice you own opinion without debate?

 

[Mira]

Sigh.
You can do better than that.

How does it prove she is lying, etc...



Maybe I should have just asked you to begin with.

Being that this is a debate forum, are you here to debate or just voice you own opinion without debate?

I have a better idea, why don't you proove what she's saying ?
She is talking as a witness and so am I.
I searched on the internet and found nothing to prove me or her right.
You either take me seriously as a witness or you don't.

How can I prove to you that I am a Christian Lebanese who grew up in West Beirut ? I can't, so either believe me or don't.

Why don't you meet some Christian Lebanese who grew up in West Beirut like I did and ask them ?

 

[Mira]

Here we go. And the article is written was 1988 when Islamic fundementalims had grown. It was a time when even Sunni Muslims had a tough time with the Hizbollah freaks and still, some streets were being decorated for Christmas.

Warily, a Few Christians Stay in West Beirut - The New York Times



Warily, a Few Christians Stay in West Beirut

By IHSAN A. HIJAZI, Special to the New York Times
Published: Monday, December 26, 1988

Christmas is celebrated in West Beirut, but only on one street.

Row upon row of plastic bells of all colors are hung over Sidani Street like an unfinished roof. With Christmas lights flickering, cypress trees planted in big barrels line 500 yards of torn-out sidewalks, and a mixture of Christmas carols and Lebanese songs fill the air with a deafening noise.

The street, a combination of old homes and high-rise buildings near the American University campus, is part of a once-thriving Christian neighborhood known as Ras Beirut.

But it is the only Christian enclave in the Muslim-dominated part of the city, and beyond the decorated area, there is very little sign of the Christmas holiday. Two blocks away, in the Hamra shopping center, not one store displayed Christmas decorations.

''We have learned our lesson,'' said Samir Sabbagh, a Christian owner of a cutlery store. He said his shop window was smashed two years ago because he displayed a Christmas tree.

Christians and Muslims used to live in relative harmony in this country, but 13 years of civil war have polarized Lebanese society. Of the 3.5 million Lebanese, 40 percent have been displaced by civil war. The two sides now have separate Governments: a Christian administration in East Beirut and a Muslim one in the western part.

Out of an estimated 300,000 Christians who lived in this part of the capital a dozen years ago, only about 50,000 are left.

The largest exodus of Christians from West Beirut was in 1984, when Muslim militiamen drove out Christian units of the Lebanese Army and a multinational peacekeeping force led by the United States marines was withdrawn from the city.

''We felt we were without any protection,'' said Michel Dagher, a Roman Catholic who fled his luxurious condominium in the Hamra quarter and now lives in a small apartment in Ashrafiye in East Beirut.

Christians' worries increased with the rising strength in West Beirut of the Party of God, a Shiite Muslim group that seeks an Islamic state patterned after Iran's. Partition Is Preferred

Sarkis Naaoum, a Christian columnist for Lebanon's leading daily, An Nahar, published in West Beirut, wrote this week that ''Christians prefer to see Lebanon partitioned rather than live under Islamic rule.'

In an Islamic state, sharia, or Islamic law, would apply. ''We don't want to end up like the Christian Copts in Egypt,'' said a Christian member of the Lebanese Parliament who requested anonymity. Partial application of sharia caused unrest in Egypt between the Moslem majority and the estimated seven million Copts.

The observance of Christmas on Sidani Street has political overtones. The decorations have been provided by the National Syrian Social Party, which has Muslim and Christian members and seeks a ''Greater Syria'' encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and all of what was once Palestine.

The party, which has strong backing from the Syrian troops who occupy West Beirut, says it is important to maintain religious coexistence in West Beirut, and has vowed to protect any Christian who may be threatened.

 

[Gardener]

I searched the internet for all of about 10 seconds and found this:

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Beirut hosts 'honour killing' conference about honor killings


and another 10 seconds unearthid this:

Probing polygamy | The Australian about polygamy

and a full 10 seconds later, I found this:

Elsevier


For those who don't realize the implications, when people marry their neice or first cousin, they are cementing a very much patriarchal bond -- exactly the sort of themes she discusses in terms of women's rights.

 

[Mira]

I searched the internet for all of about 10 seconds and found this:

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Beirut hosts 'honour killing' conference about honor killings


and another 10 seconds unearthid this:

Probing polygamy | The Australian about polygamy

and a full 10 seconds later, I found this:

Elsevier


For those who don't realize the implications, when people marry their neice or first cousin, they are cementing a very much patriarchal bond -- exactly the sort of themes she discusses in terms of women's rights.

What does this have to do with what we're talking about ? Bringing up sad social problems within the Muslim society doesn't say anything about her claim that Muslims were setting checkpoints and killing everyone who had a Christian ID, neither does it proove her claim that Muslims in Lebanon marry 4 wives and have dozens of children, nor her claim that her familiy was targetted for being Christian.....

 

[Mira]

Here's an interesting link that I found. It is the forum of the right-wing Christian Lebanese Forces. Please take a look

bridget Gabriel - Lebanese Forces Official Forums

 

[Gardener]

What does this have to do with what we're talking about ? .

in post 23 you mentioned marriage and polygamy, so OBVIOUSLY my referencing issues regarding marriage and polygamy have no bearing.

I must have just thrown them into the mix out of the blue :roll:

 

[Mira]

in post 23 you mentioned marriage and polygamy, so OBVIOUSLY my referencing issues regarding marriage and polygamy have no bearing.

I must have just thrown them into the mix out of the blue :roll:

Please read the link of the Christian Lebanese Forces that I posted above. Even her people are calling her a liar.

bridget Gabriel - Lebanese Forces Official Forums

 

[Gardener]

Please read the link of the Christian Lebanese Forces that I posted above. Even her people are calling her a liar.

bridget Gabriel - Lebanese Forces Official Forums

Is this your way of telling us "Queen" is another one of your user names?

How stupid would a person have to be to consider an anonymous person posting in some obscure forum to be the final word on anything?

 

[Mira]

Is this your way of telling us "Queen" is another one of your user names?

How stupid would a person have to be to consider an anonymous person posting in some obscure forum to be the final word on anything?

Did you read the forum ? it is the official forum of the Christian Lebanese Forces.
Of course I'm all of those people posting in that right-wing forum. Interseting concept for a left-wing person. sheeeesh

Take it or leave it !

 

[Coolguy]

I have a better idea, why don't you proove what she's saying ?

:doh
Not my yob mon.
It is your yob to back up what you say.
That is how it works.

You either take me seriously as a witness or you don't.

I take you as seriously as I take her.

Please read the link of the Christian Lebanese Forces that I posted above. Even her people are calling her a liar.

bridget Gabriel - Lebanese Forces Official Forums

Her people?
11 whole posts about her some 4½ years ago?
Sound more like your people.

 

[alexa]

She appears to be just another Islam hater. They abound. I imagine she sees a bit of money in it.

I goggled for critique of her.

Here are some links

Zionists out of the Peace Movement

Zionists Out of the Peace Movement: Islam-Basher Brigitte Gabriel to Visit Ann Arbor on 12/4



New York Times calls Brigitte Gabriel a "radical Islamophobe"

Dhimmi Watch: New York Times calls Brigitte Gabriel a "radical Islamophobe"


Brigitte Gabriel Makes Islamophobia Sexy
KABOBfest: Brigitte Gabriel Makes Islamophobia Sexy

 

[Gardener]

Did you read the forum ? it is the official forum of the Christian Lebanese Forces.
Of course I'm all of those people posting in that right-wing forum. Interseting concept for a left-wing person. sheeeesh

Take it or leave it !

Here you are making a big fuss about an anonymous forum where earlier you compared a legitimate, award winning web site to Hamas.

You are certainly on a mission here, that's for sure.


I imagine your constant reinforcing of notions regarding "left" and "right" is all according to some sort of plan as well, but perhaps you could explain to me how it is that supporting Lebanese Muslims makes one "left" wing while supporting Lebanese Christians or Israeli Jews makes one "right" wing?

Are honor killings, forced marriages, apostacy laws, punishments for gay people and other backwardness now considered liberal?

The world has surely gone mad, if so.

 

[Mira]

:doh
Not my yob mon.
It is your yob to back up what you say.
That is how it works.


I take you as seriously as I take her.



Her people?
11 whole posts about her some 4½ years ago?
Sound more like your people.

Since when are the Lebanese Forces my people ?
Do you even know where Lebanon is ?

 

[Coolguy]

Please take a look
...
Lebanese Forces Official Forums

All in english to boot. That's just great.

Makes me wonder?

Since when are the Lebanese Forces my people ?
Do you even know where Lebanon is ?

Since when are they her people?
Sounds like your people because of the views they are espousing.

Matter of fact, since when are they their own people?

LEBANESE-FORCES.ORG - Geo Information
IP Address 74.52.30.178
Host lebanese-forces.org
Location US US, United States
City Houston, TX 77002

 

[Mira]

All in english to boot. That's just great.

Makes me wonder?


Since when are they her people?
Sounds like your people because of the views they are espousing.

Matter of fact, since when are they their own people?

Learn some very basic info about Lebanon, I'm not even saying history, just very, very basic information and you'll understand who's who and who the Lebanese Forces are.

Some people on this forum are so blinded by their Islamophobia that anything Islamophobic is good to defend. I can tell by your posts that you don't even know where Lebanon is. Not knowing the Lebanese Forces is like saying "I'm following the news in Sri Lanka but I don't know who the Tamul Tigers are" You just like what you heard on that stupid video and you are defending that idiot because her ideas match yours.

Two more on my ignore list

 

[Joe1991]

IInterview with Brigitte Gabriel

I just don't understand how these people can be left around to spread so much hate by adding fuel to the already existing fire.

Just know that the vast majority of Americans realize these talking heads featured on Fox Noise and talk radio are just selling fear.

But I do applaud you for fighting the lies, I don't worry about thinking people but sometimes younger kids or the easily manipulated get caught up in believing this type of garbage.

 

[Coolguy]

Learn some very basic info about Lebanon, I'm not even saying history, just very, very basic information and you'll understand who's who and who the Lebanese Forces are.

I already seem to know enough to call bs when I see bs.

 

[Gardener]

Learn some very basic info about Lebanon, I'm not even saying history,

Your problem here has to do with running into people who DO know a thing or two about Lebanon rather than running into those who don't.

Those who don't, will usually just look to see how something is labelled (left/right), stick their finger to the air to guage the prevailing orthodoxy and run with it. Of course, those are the ones you wish to influence when you indulge in all that labelling you indulge in, but those of us who do know a thing or two and who actually know several Lebanese people realize that events are not so neatly captured simply by by labelling them as "left" and "right".

 

[Coolguy]

Some people on this forum are so blinded by their Islamophobia that anything Islamophobic is good to defend.

That may be true. But you can hardly accuse me of doing such.

I can tell by your posts that you don't even know where Lebanon is.

Really? What a foolish thing to say.
Let me ask you this. Can you tell by my posts what part of Lebanon I have visited as well as what parts of the Middle East I have been to also?
Huh, can ya?
I didn't think so.
You are just blowing smoke.

... you are defending that idiot because her ideas match yours.

Where have I actually defended her?
Come on, point it out.
Asking you to substantiate what you say is not defending her.
Pointing out that your personal experience has as much value as hers is not defending her.
But it is very telling that you are now referring to her as an idiot.

Two more on my ignore list

That is fine.
We can now all see that when you get challenged to provide something of substance you run and cower.
This is a very good clue that you were on a mission to begin with.


But it has always been my experience that a person that says they are putting someone on an ignore list actually defeats the purpose by announcing it. :doh
They are also the very same people that read what was posted anyways.

 

[Thoreau]

I know several people who are from Lebanon and visit their families there on a regular basis. They are definitely not practicing Muslims and they are not fleeing Lebanon as refugees, and they have nothing but positive things to say about their home country. I am going to have to put my support behind the OP, this woman's experience are not shared by any of the Lebanese I have come across. Plus this woman's neo-con background dissolves her any credibility she had to begin with.

 

[Coolguy]

Really?
More with third hand / personal experience crap. :doh

Come on folks. You can do better than that.
Prove the lady wrong.

 

[alexa]

Really?
More with third hand / personal experience crap. :doh

Come on folks. You can do better than that.
Prove the lady wrong.

Why? Do you believe all fairy stories?

of course Muslim bashing is big money these days

The question becomes, how can someone so blatantly clueless get airtime anywhere other than on America’s Funniest Home Videos?

The answer, Brigitte has found her very own litte niche to settle within the lucrative business of Muslim-bashing. Her forte is to parlay her “otherness,” and so-called “insider knowledge of the Muslim world,” (the “I’ve been there, I know” line) into a cash cow. Meanwhile we are supposed to be duped into freaking out and running back to her for more “expert” advice brought to us from our loyal friend who ventures into the other side on our behalf.

A Case Study in Sincere Hypocrisy: Brigitte Gabriel | loonwatch.com

or try this

Brigitte Gabriel on Terrorism? It Takes One to Know One

Voices - Brigitte Gabriel on Terrorism? It Takes One to Know One

 

[Mira]

LOL alexa, you're better than me with finding things on the internet. I'm really not a net person. I still read the good old paper the old-fashioned way

Anyway, the war has been over for almost 20 years. The internet wasn't even invented in 1975 when the war started. How am I supposed to find articles about the Christians in West Beirut, nobody even uses the terms West and East Beirut anymore.

Perhaps that's why she's able to lie the way she does. The internet wizards cannot go home and google after hearing her hate speeches.

oh well.... what can I expect beside hoping that someone will bombard her with rotten eggs one day