BREAKING : Ukraine receives fighter planes, parts to bolster air force: Pentagon

[multivita-man]

I don’t know for sure, I’m just speculating, but I wouldn’t be surprised if U.S. Special Forces are in Ukraine. Killing Russian generals is exactly what they’d do. I think the count is 6, so far.

I seriously doubt that actual ground combat forces are there. It's perhaps within the realm of possibility that we're sending clandestine intelligence officials or special military advisors, but if a ground unit got clobbered by a Russian missile Biden would have a lot of explaining to do as to why they're there - explaining to Russia, NATO allies, and the American public. Not a conversation he wants to have.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I seriously doubt that actual ground combat forces are there. It's perhaps within the realm of possibility that we're sending clandestine intelligence officials or special military advisors, but if a ground unit got clobbered by a Russian missile Biden would have a lot of explaining to do as to why they're there - explaining to Russia, NATO allies, and the American public. Not a conversation he wants to have.

Definitely advisors.

 

[multivita-man]

Definitely advisors.

Pay attention to the things Russia complains about and that'll probably tell you how we're involved. Before and in the early stages of the conflict, they warned about intelligence sharing, so that's probably a thing - Russia probably knows we're either thinking of or already are sharing intel with Ukraine, most likely b/c Russia already has their own spies embedded within our national security apparatus. We've got our spies, and they've got theirs. That's just how this game is played.

But they're really, really complaining about the kinds of weapons that are entering Ukraine. Russia's playing a fine balancing act. Brutalizing Ukraine b/c they know that no NATO country is really all that enthusiastic about fighting Russian troops directly, and yet knowing that they don't want to go so far that they cause mass outrage that actually triggers NATO countries to send in combat troops. So far, despite their horrendous **** ups in other arenas, it seems that Russia has, politically speaking, gotten this balancing act down. Despite all their atrocities, NATO still hasn't committed to enforcing a no-fly zone or sent in combat troops. As miserably as Russia appears to have failed, they've succeeded in this regard.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Good to hear they are getting air assets but it would have been nice to have at the start of the illegal invasion.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Good to hear they are getting air assets but it would have been nice to have at the start of the illegal invasion.

But you really don't know if they didn't get some in the beginning. Just what you hear on news reports.

 

[multivita-man]

Good to hear they are getting air assets but it would have been nice to have at the start of the illegal invasion.

I'm so sick of the way we are totally pvssing out on this.

 

[jgarden47]

His land army has been performing at less than expectations but they are not a joke. Underestimate your enemy at your peril. Conversely even though the Ukrainians have been performing above expectations we aren't getting the body counts and kit losses. I'm guessing they are paying a heavy toll. And keep in mind the Russian military is twice the size of Ukraines.

Putin will just keep sending in more and more troops and equipment and firing artillery, missiles, etc. incessantly. He could care less about his losses until he gets the job done.

Ukraine's biggest advantage could turn out to be a civilian population willing to fight - in the 21stC, it doesn't take much training to fire a "Stinger" and my grandmother would be more than capable of loading and aiming a "Javelin!'

Young computer "geeks" could probably master the uses of drones - freeing up the Ukrainian military handle the heavy equipment that NATO has started to send in!

By shelling Ukrainian cities, Putin is doomed to repeat the same mistakes that the Germans made 80 years earlier at Stalingrad -destroying a city is counterproductive, shifting the military advantage in favor of the defenders
- increases the number of defensive positions available
- debris filled streets limit the mobility of tanks, making them easy targets
- without tank support, the responsibility for offensive operations is shifted to the infantry by default
- urban conflict tends to negate the enemy's technological advantages
- keeping the enemy at close quarters effectively limits any prior advantages it may have had in artillery and air support, for fear of targeting their own troops
- military observers have compared urban warfare to a "sponge," soaking up an ever greater number of troops, high casualty rates, without decisive victories and no end in sight

 

[Litwin]

Putin is going to own the Donbas region.

we will see,

 

[Litwin]

I hope you are right but there are some substantial differences between Finland and Ukraine.

1. Treacherous topography which gave the Fins an advantage.
2. The Russians had less sophisticated equipment than they do now.
3. Bitter cold vs. this time of year in Ukraine.

1) Finland fought ussr/world Marxism ALONG , U. is not along and Moscow produce only 1% of the world economy

2) Finland´s population was smaller than GULAG´s population

3) ussr moved against F. 1 000 0000 armed men, something what Moscow ulus can not achieve




they should issue those troops period correct uniform too for the aesthetic

 

[Litwin]

Donbas

still on the same lines

 

[Litwin]

Unfortunately, probably tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians have been killed and millions driven out of the country. Who's winning and who's losing depends on what scorecard you're using.

In Vietnam, we killed many more of the VC's than we lost but in the end, they broke our will to fight. It's obviously different in Ukraine because it's Ukraine that's defending its land, its people, and its future as an independent sovereign culture. It's fighting for everything, but Russia is also fighting for every scrap of Ukraine's land they can take and every nanometer of face they can save.

Part of Russian soldiers are ready to rebel against their commanders​

 

[Litwin]

In a televised meeting across a small table from his defence minister, Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to hold back from storming the Azovstal steel plant.

It's where the last Ukrainian Mariupol fighters are holding out.

Instead, the Moscow tsar ordered his solders to block off the industrial area, so that "not even a fly can escape".

not that easy to fight Azov´s Spartans

 

[Questerr]

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MILITARY AIRCRAFT vs DRONES
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1) military aircraft require a major investment in trained personal, maintenance, spare parts, fuel storage, etc to keep them operational

2) aircraft require airports - the Russians have already proven they're more than capable of targeting any and all parts of Ukraine

3) these are outdated MIGs, more susceptible to ground to air systems

5) military drones represent a far better options -

- cheaper - a bigger bang for the buck

- unmanned - expendable

- portable - ease of transport

- reconnaissance - more flexible, maneuverable, cost effective, replaceable

- no major commitments of trained personnel

- no stockpiles of equipment, fuel depots, etc

- difficult to defend against - small, mobile, evade detection, no advance warnings

- little training, maintenance required

- versatile - dozens of different military models for a multitude of purposes

- more difficult to be detected by radar - small, flying close to ground

- no fixed assets (airports) providing a target for missile attacks

- not perceived as a major escalation in the war

Drones aren’t that versatile. They’re basically dedicated air to ground assets with little to no self-defense capability (usually not even having basic countermeasures).

Also the one’s big enough to carry a decent ordinance payload aren’t difficult to detect at all.

 

[snakestretcher]

His land army has been performing at less than expectations but they are not a joke. Underestimate your enemy at your peril. Conversely even though the Ukrainians have been performing above expectations we aren't getting the body counts and kit losses. I'm guessing they are paying a heavy toll. And keep in mind the Russian military is twice the size of Ukraines.

Putin will just keep sending in more and more troops and equipment and firing artillery, missiles, etc. incessantly. He could care less about his losses until he gets the job done.

Your last sentence describes exactly what Stalin did during Barbarossa. His troops may have been poorly trained, but there were millions of them and the military might of the technically advanced Wehrmacht was eventually comprehensively defeated.

 

[snakestretcher]

Sounds like Mariupol is pretty darn close.

There's nothing left of Mariupol but rubble. A recently released video from the defenders claimed they were being overwhelmed by superior Russian numbers. Sadly it's just a matter of time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/19/ukraine-mariupol-serhiy-volyna-azovstal-factory/

Ukrainian commander in Mariupol says forces ‘facing last days, if not hours’

Marine commander appeals for help as another Russian ultimatum calling for remaining troops in city to surrender expires

www.theguardian.com

 

[EnigmaO01]

In a televised meeting across a small table from his defence minister, Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to hold back from storming the Azovstal steel plant.

It's where the last Ukrainian Mariupol fighters are holding out.

Instead, the Moscow tsar ordered his solders to block off the industrial area, so that "not even a fly can escape".

not that easy to fight Azov´s Spartans

Or he wants to starve them to death and also use them as bait to lure potential rescuers to their death.

 

[jpevans]

BREAKING : Ukraine receives fighter planes, parts to bolster air force: Pentagon

Ukraine receives fighter planes, parts to bolster air force: Pentagon

Ukraine has received fighter planes and aircraft parts to bolster its air force in the face of Russia's invasion, the Pentagon said Tuesday, declining to specify the number of aircraft or their origin.

www.france24.com

Finally!! the takeaway here should be, stop worrying about what pOOtin thinks, start making pOOtin worry about what WE think.
SO OUR strategy IS: USA sent in artillery and anti tanks while other nations provided anti air and also jets… now that’s done… the golden horde literally can’t fly around in helicopters without being shot out of the sky and artillery will be safe to fire on troops and tanks… the golden horde is now facing a foe 100 times stronger then in the beginning… some might say its a brand new war
with other words : Moscow , this what WAITS for YOU !




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Pooten tested an Intercontinental missal the other day. I'd take that as a threat. I say hold an emergency meeting of NATO & fast track Ukrainian membership. Stop cowering before Pooten's threats to blow up the world & smash the Russians.

 

[Litwin]

Pooten tested an Intercontinental missal the other day. I'd take that as a threat.

Pooten is product of 90s (gangster time) , all what he and his gang got - empty Ponty

Urban Dictionary: Ponty

1. A person perceived as a threat to ones masculinity. 2. An adjective describing a somewhat level headed and talented individual. 3. A “over confident” guy ballsy 1. “This guy’s being a Ponty 2. “Why’s he dressed so sharp... he’s a Ponty” 3 “Stop acting all over confident...like a Ponty”

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[Litwin]

Or he wants to starve them to death and also use them as bait to lure potential rescuers to their death.

yes, Muscovite barabariens are expert in this

 

[Litwin]

There's nothing left of Mariupol but rubble. A recently released video from the defenders claimed they were being overwhelmed by superior Russian numbers. Sadly it's just a matter of time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/19/ukraine-mariupol-serhiy-volyna-azovstal-factory/

Ukrainian commander in Mariupol says forces ‘facing last days, if not hours’

Marine commander appeals for help as another Russian ultimatum calling for remaining troops in city to surrender expires

www.theguardian.com

In a televised meeting across a small table from his defence minister, Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to hold back from storming the Azovstal steel plant.

It's where the last Ukrainian Mariupol fighters are holding out.

Instead, the Moscow tsar ordered his solders to block off the industrial area, so that "not even a fly can escape".




RT propaganda went totally crazy

 

[bave]

I would go a step further and secretly fly unmarked A-10s, to destroy Russian armor. Unmarked, you know, like what Putin did when he invaded Crimea.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write on this forum. First off, it is an overt act of war between the US and Russia. Second, the A-10 is an undeniable American platform with no other nation flying them. Third, the A-10 going into contested air space is a death sentence for the pilots.

I don’t know for sure, I’m just speculating, but I wouldn’t be surprised if U.S. Special Forces are in Ukraine. Killing Russian generals is exactly what they’d do. I think the count is 6, so far.

We have had SF units in Ukraine since 2014, particularly ODAs. Right now I would wager we have "significant' clandestine and covert units in country.

I seriously doubt that actual ground combat forces are there. It's perhaps within the realm of possibility that we're sending clandestine intelligence officials or special military advisors, but if a ground unit got clobbered by a Russian missile Biden would have a lot of explaining to do as to why they're there - explaining to Russia, NATO allies, and the American public. Not a conversation he wants to have.

There is no chance in holy hell we don't have operators and intelligence specialists in country. Go back to Georgia in 2008, we had tons of US operators in country staring at their Russian counterparts. We had tons of active SF operators in Syria *killing* Russians.

 

[Litwin]

Your last sentence describes exactly what Stalin did during Barbarossa. His troops may have been poorly trained, but there were millions of them and the military might of the technically advanced Wehrmacht was eventually comprehensively defeated.

what Moscow kleptocracy has to do with Marxist ussr world empire ?
edit for you "Your last sentence describes exactly what the czar did during the Crimean war. His troops have been poorly trained, but there were millions of them , still the military might of the technically advanced Europeans eventually comprehensively WON

 

[Litwin]

In a televised meeting across a small table from his defence minister, Vladimir Putin ordered his forces to hold back from storming the Azovstal steel plant.

It's where the last Ukrainian Mariupol fighters are holding out.

Instead, the Moscow tsar ordered his solders to block off the industrial area, so that "not even a fly can escape".

not that easy to fight Azov´s Spartans

 

[bave]

I just wonder why they don't bury the entrances/exits?

 

[MTAtech]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write on this forum. First off, it is an overt act of war between the US and Russia. Second, the A-10 is an undeniable American platform with no other nation flying them. Third, the A-10 going into contested air space is a death sentence for the pilots.
...

A. It's really a defeatist attitude to assume that if aircraft enter Ukrainian airspace it would result in destruction of the aircraft. The U.S. has done it before without such results. I am sorry that you have such little faith in the American military.
B. Russia has already declared overt war and hasn't backed off after weighing the consequences. They invaded Crimea with soldiers without Russian markings and nobody said boo.
C. The U.S. can always deny that they were behind it. Putin isn't going to start WWIII and have his daughters die over such a matter.
D. Putin is betting that the West will always backdown from his threats. It's always worked before. The problem is the same as Chamberlin learned at the start of WWII, that appeasing an invader only encourages further invasion. Allowing Putin to annex countries will only lead to future annexations. At some point, he must be engaged. I am suggesting that the sooner the better. Destroy his invading force and sink his remaining ships in the Black Sea will result in Putin's overthrow.

It's clear from previous posts of yours that you are on the side of Russia and everything you wrote here reinforces that belief.