Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

[Uncensored2008]

"Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Likud Charter, 1977. Think about that for a moment.

There should only be Israeli control of all Palestinian territory. Palestine is not a nation. It is a group of people ethnically related. They reside on land controlled by Israel.

I don't agree.

"Palestine" under the Ottoman Empire con

He turned his back on Europe. Wouldn't surprise me if he turns his back on Israel too. Putin called and wished him a haply birthday today!View attachment 67574754

You're outrage by the idea of the Biden war in Ukraine ending, apparently.

 

[Arkantos]

If you want people to not seek to have nuclear weapons you have to respect them when they don't have them.

It's a rough idea because we as a species have no inborn ability to respect people when there is a power asymmetry, it's something you have to work at.

I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.

History is full of examples where powerful actors chose diplomacy over domination - not out of weakness, but because mutual respect was a better long-term strategy.

 

[NOLA Dude]

The countries that would be threatened by them if they were acquired and have the means to prevent the acquisition.

How convenient that the countries that already have them gets to decide who else can have them. That sounds like bullshit to me.

How'd that work out for Gaddafi when he got rid of the nukes? North Korea figured out that the nukes keep the US from overthrowing their country.

 

[Chomsky]

Yup, let's not forget that, Obama put them on a path to nukes.
Thanks, Obama! Iran openly mocked him and declared that they would not stop their program. Trump slowed them down, but when Biden got in, it was full speed ahead again.
Thank God for Trump... with Kamala, they'd be putting the final touches on their brand new nuclear bombs. Israel, New York, and Washington D.C. bound.

The IAEA found Iran compliant under Obama's tenure.

 

[Variant]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.

History is full of examples where powerful actors chose diplomacy over domination - not out of weakness, but because mutual respect was a better long-term strategy.

We would need everyone to do it or some sort of enforcement, not just "examples". No one cares that there are dozens of countries that are not repressing them if one can do so with impunity.

 

[Linc]

There's a lot of new posts since I was here last, so I probably won't be able to read them. I just want to say that the escalations in the last 24 hours and the deaths of civilians make me very concerned about where this is heading for everyone.

There will be no peace in the ME with Bibi in charge.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/15/israel-iran-war-ambassador-says-00406525

The Pakistan/India peace ‘deal’ allowed the to use assets to assist Bibi with another war.
It’s still about Russia selling higher-priced oil now to its friend in BRICS, India.

 

[Chomsky]

You can't expect everyone to support our most loyal ally in the Middle East as it fights to survive in a dangerous neighborhood.
Israel is being threatened by an enemy, Iran, that wants to annihilate it. Iran does not want to give up its uranium enrichment program. So Israel took action to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon. Makes eminent sense to me.

Obama put an agreement in place, and the IAEA Inspectors found Iran was compliant. Trump got involved, and withdrew the agreement. Iran subsequently got to where it is today.

And now, Trump is ready to send in our military.

Here:

(France24) Trump says US 'could get involved' in Iran-Israel conflict

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[ncguy]

In reality - Iran is in an alliance with Russia, China, North Korea, and the American democrats.

Sort of "The bloc of pure evil."

Democrats lol
Stupid post

 

[NOLA Dude]

That's because Israel keeps killing their nuclear scientists and sabotaging their program in other ways, but Iran's going deeper underground. I do agree with you that there were other ways to handle this, though.

Thats just Isreali propaganda. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they would have one by now.

If Republicans had not been so hellbent on owning the libs, they could have supported Obama's framework, which, by all known measures, slowed down their enrichment program to a virtual standstill. Not saying they solved the problem long-term, but they did achieve meaningful progress in slowing it down and creating a framework for future dialogue. In fact, it was successful enough that - guess what - MAGA Jesus basically tried to restart that framework but wiping Obama's name off and putting his name on it.

I agree and I was against Trump ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran in 2018. He didnt do it to own the libs. He did it because Israel has too much influence on our government.

I'd concede that there's context that needs to be added. Trump saw a nuke deal with Iran (framework 2.0, let's call it) as part of a much larger national security tilt away from the Middle East and Russia and toward China, which he views as a serious adversary. Obama had China and Russia in mind, too, but he saw a much deeper commitment to the Middle East militarily than Trump has and does. Obama saw Russia as a pain in the ass but not a threat in the present, and I think he was wrong about that. He saw China as a potential threat long-term, but in the shorter term, more of a pain in the ass in terms of our influence in Asia - he was partly wrong about that, too, though 2015 was a different world than 2025 or even 2020. But he got some of the specifics right, and the 2015 deal was a good move, IMO.

I liked Trump's foreign policy except with Isreal and Iran's. It's very disappointing we are now involved in yet another war.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

You're outrage by the idea of the Biden war in Ukraine ending, apparently.

Yo man, stop imagining my emotions thx

 

[multivita-man]

Thats just Isreali propaganda. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they would have one by now.

I agree and I was against Trump ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran in 2018. He didnt do it to own the libs. He did it because Israel has too much influence on our government.

I liked Trump's foreign policy except with Isreal and Iran's. It's very disappointing we are now involved in yet another war.

Don't entirely agree, but, we don't have to.

 

[multivita-man]

Obama put an agreement in place, and the IAEA Inspectors found Iran was compliant. Trump got involved, and withdrew the agreement. Iran subsequently got to where it is today.

And now, Trump is ready to send in our military.

Here:

(France24) Trump says US 'could get involved' in Iran-Israel conflict

He's involved already, whether he wants to be or not.

 

[jaypatriot]

Obama put an agreement in place, and the IAEA Inspectors found Iran was compliant. Trump got involved, and withdrew the agreement. Iran subsequently got to where it is today.

And now, Trump is ready to send in our military.

Here:

(France24) Trump says US 'could get involved' in Iran-Israel conflict

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You are aware the IAEA just found Iran to be out of compliance with the JCPOA.
My opinion is Trump will employ our offensive military assets if Iran does anything to harm our military currently in Syria, Iraq, the UAE, or anywhere else in the Middle East.
That means Iran must tread very carefully when it retaliates against Israel.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Wow. I thought it was just an air campaign, but apparently they've had boots on ground for months, and pulled off Ukraine style drone attacks from inside Iran.

That's cool and all, but a military conflict isn't really going to improve things without a plan for what comes after. I think evidence of that can be found in the last similar venture Israel carried out decades ago in Lebanon, and what resulted was a militia that was able to mount an offense and then serve as a proxy for Iran. The US has had a miserable record in Middle East policy, and now Israel seems to want to follow in those footsteps while trying to get the US involved. I in no way support risking American lives for the ambitions of Israel in this unprovoked war.

Netanyahu's chosen to go off the deep end and is now looking to use other nations to help him in this folly which will continue to destabilize the region. This conflict even if it manages to seriously curtail Iran's nuclear efforts, is going to go over like a lead balloon among the populace of the region and make it harder for Arab nations to normalize relations. Likud's replete with Messianic nutters, and they're the ones driving this idiocy. If Israel wants to start wars with its neighbors, then it should do it on its own.

 

[Arkantos]

We would need everyone to do it or some sort of enforcement, not just "examples". No one cares that there are dozens of countries that are not repressing them if one can do so with impunity.

Agreed - impunity is the issue.

If global norms were applied consistently, states might actually trust them instead of chasing nukes. Unfortunately, aspiring to fairness seems increasingly utopian.

I guess we could start with making the rules less obviously rigged for some. When countries see that norms are only enforced when convenient, the message is "get nukes or get wrecked" and that’s resignation, not be confused with realism.

 

[jaypatriot]

I don't agree.

"Palestine" under the Ottoman Empire con


You're outrage by the idea of the Biden war in Ukraine ending, apparently.

I was all for Biden continuing to send heavy offensive weapons to Ukraine to use against Russia.
No outrage here.
And who cares that "Palestine" was under the Ottoman Empire. That so-called empire disappeared quickly as a result of WW I.

 

[Chomsky]

He's involved already, whether he wants to be or not.

Trump pulled us out of the Nuclear Accord, and put nothing in its place. Iran went back to enriching, and here we are.

Now Trump's response?

Send in the Military, let Putin negotiate a deal!

Here:

Thread '(ABC) Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict'

Sunday at 1:04 PM

Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict

President Donald Trump said Sunday that the U.S. is not involved in Israel's military strikes, but "it's possible we could get involved."

abcnews.go.com

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President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."

In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.

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Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of...

• Chomsky
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• Forum: Breaking News

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[multivita-man]

He's involved already, whether he wants to be or not.

Trump wanted to talk about tariffs, reshoring, owning the libs, and getting out of costly foreign commitments. Bibi just set all of that on fire.

 

[Chomsky]

You are aware the IAEA just found Iran to be out of compliance with the JCPOA.
My opinion is Trump will employ our offensive military assets if Iran does anything to harm our military currently in Syria, Iraq, the UAE, or anywhere else in the Middle East.
That means Iran must tread very carefully when it retaliates against Israel.

Because Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal. He put nothing in its place. Iran responded by resuming enriching. Why wouldn't they? Trump let them off the hook!

Now, here's Trump's solution seven years later:

Thread '(ABC) Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict'

Sunday at 1:04 PM

Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict

President Donald Trump said Sunday that the U.S. is not involved in Israel's military strikes, but "it's possible we could get involved."

abcnews.go.com

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President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."

In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.

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Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of...

• Chomsky
• Replies: 307
• Forum: Breaking News

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[jaypatriot]

Bibi is the problem. Like Trump he's dodging prison by Presidency. His overweening desire for greater Israel has killed thousands, Israeli's as well as Palestinians.

Then I guess that country has a chance to bring Bibi to justice and stop him from saving the country by destroying Iran's infrastructure leading to the development of a nuclear weapon.
DO you actually think Israel is undivided politically now?

 

[ElChupacabra]

The IAEA found Iran compliant under Obama's tenure.

In fairness, Iran's nuclear program was always questionable due to their lack of full transparency and the fact of who was in charge of the country. When the program started back in the 50s, the US backed it because their government was aligned with western interests and not seen as a threat. The Islamic revolution changed all of that, and now we're in a situation where one can understand their motivations for wanting a nuclear weapon as a deterrent while also understanding the threat it poses to the region.

Personally, I don't think Iran would use nuclear weapons against Israel for the very same reason foes like India and Pakistan do not, and that's mutually assured destruction. I'm sure the clerics and supreme leader know that using nuclear weapons would trigger alliance responses and Iran would lose. What confirms this non suicidal mindset is the fact they have not developed weapons yet, which they probably could have during this period. They've been skirting that boundary for sure, but never fully crossed it because of the potential consequences.

The question now is how does that mindset change, because with Israel attacking their facilities and putting boots on the ground there, the reason to have a deterrent weapon makes far more sense and makes a convincing argument to their broader population. Nothing brings people together more than a foreign power invading a nation, and whatever hatred for the clerics there was prior, is not likely directed at Israel.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Good



This will be similar to the 1973 Oil Embargo.

AMericans will then have to wait over 8 hours in gas lines and pay over $20 a gallon.

Hopefully then STUPID Americans will have time to think whether the crazy love affair with the ASS-K-NAZI Entity is worthy .

Aw, they hurt your ayatollahs and now you're mad.

 

[jaypatriot]

Because Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal. He put nothing in its place. Iran responded by resuming enriching. Why wouldn't they? Trump let them off the hook!

Now, here's Trump's solution seven years later:

Thread '(ABC) Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict'

Sunday at 1:04 PM

Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict

President Donald Trump said Sunday that the U.S. is not involved in Israel's military strikes, but "it's possible we could get involved."

abcnews.go.com

--

President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."

In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.

--

Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of...

• Chomsky
• Replies: 307
• Forum: Breaking News

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Now Bibi found the opportunity to attack while the iron is hot. And Trump wisely stayed out of if offensively.

 

[madman]

Which country is closer to a secular state? Which one has more rights for the minority religion?

doesnt matter. Both are deeply staunched in their make believe world.

 

[ASHES]

How convenient that the countries that already have them gets to decide who else can have them. That sounds like bullshit to me.

Yeah. Thank goodness it was us and not just Russia and China or something.

How'd that work out for Gaddafi when he got rid of the nukes? North Korea figured out that the nukes keep the US from overthrowing their country.

No, China kept the US from overthrowing their country.