Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

[ColdHardTruth]

Israelis crying because the homes they were living in got bombed into rubble... hmm...

... is there a word or phrase to describe this?

Supporting terrorist states is a bad look. You should stop.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Supporting terrorist states is a bad look. You should stop.

He can't. It is unreasonable to ask him to do so.

Iran is an ally of Russia. Dude LOVES Russia.

 

[Tigerace117]

Supporting terrorist states is a bad look. You should stop.

There is no such thing as a “terrorist state”.

 

[Hamish Howl]

There is no such thing as a “terrorist state”.

Oh, good. We're off the hook.

That's a relief.

 

[Tigerace117]

Oh, good. We're off the hook.

That's a relief.

Not even America functions as a “terrorist state”.

A glorified knock off of the Sicilian Mob, endlessly blathering about how all the torture and mass murder it’s forces carry out is for “freedom” and “honor” while fueling said forces through blind corruption and protection rackets, is far more accurate.

 

[weaver2]

Supporting terrorist states is a bad look. You should stop.

It's common knowledge, "If you live by the sword, you die by they sword." Israelis should have taken steps to stop their government from using the sword as the only solution to every problem.

 

[ASHES]

It's common knowledge, "If you live by the sword, you die by they sword."

That's the lesson the country with two swords on their flag is learning.

 

[Mika-El]

You can not disprove my point. Both are highly religious countries.
make no mistake.

You clearly have not been to Israel. The majority of Israelis are NOT religious. They do not define their "Jewishness" by how much they pray or follow the rituals of beliefs of Judaism but on their ability to survive from extinction as a collective united by existential threat.

In Iran many of the people are Westernized and want to be Westernized or have friends or relatives leave Iran to be able to embrace Western values. Their country is run by a very fundamentalist Shiite clerical council and religious police force as well as military who must be subordinate to the clergy council.

It is very difficult to know who in their military let alone with their civilians who is NOT religious or extreme religious but feels unable to express themselves and whether they will want a civil war if they think the opportunity arises.

All I will say is speak to Iranians in the West. Iranians in the West are not fundamentalist extremist or hate Israel in fact many support Israel.'s right to exist.

I think simplistic stereotyping of Israel or Iran is pointless. They are both Westernized. Persian culture was not always anti semitic. Persian culture like Jewish culture is deeply inter-connected and linked to Zoroastrianism and the ancestors of the Hindus. May Jews consider themselves Persian as well.

Being Persian is much more than a certain kind of Shiite religious fundamentalism. Its far more complex then that and deals with art, food, clothing, family customs. humour, science.

 

[Mika-El]

It's common knowledge, "If you live by the sword, you die by they sword." Israelis should have taken steps to stop their government from using the sword as the only solution to every problem.

Again you engage in simplistic sweeping statements such as accusing Israel of only using the sword. I could list to you the no. of peace initiatives Israel has tried to initiate with its neighbouts that far outweigh its military actions but you clearly have an agenda to deny them and present the military conflicts as something Israel does in a vacuum with no reason. Your statement deliberately ignores that in the conflicts you refer to they did not happen in a vacuum.

 

[Mika-El]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.

History is full of examples where powerful actors chose diplomacy over domination - not out of weakness, but because mutual respect was a better long-term strategy.

History has shown in those examples you gave the diplomacy could not have been possible unless the country or civilization had the equal amount of force as the other side first. Diplomacy in a vacuum, i.e., where one side has military weapons that coukld anhiliate the other side but its not reciprocal, really is not so much diplomacy as it is a coercive exercise.

In the case of Iran they have never since they became an Islamic theocracy used diplomacy with Israel. Their ideology does not recognize a Jewish state, the right of Jews to exist in the Middle East let alone as Jews anywhere on the planet, i.e., they are going to hell unless they convert and until they convert they are an evil that must be extinguished. That religious dogma prevents any diplomacy.

That religious dogma prevents any peace with Israel. When Iran was run by the Shah they were close friends with Israel. The fact Israel had a nuke ability and they did not was not seen as problematic. Once the clergy came in and Israel becomes an enemy then of course-since Israel has a specific weapon Iran does not have, in addition to the religious dogma, the need to have the same weapon as the enemy acts as a double whammy to prevent peaceful dialogue.

In the case of Israel they argue since th Ayatollah suggests Israel is a cancer to wipe out, waiting for Iran to get nuke weapons is suicide.

In an ideal world no one would have a nuke weapon. Israel created there nukes in response to nuke threats by Russia not Iran or even the Arab world. Israel has never threatened to nuke anyone but it did let Russia no it would use its nukes against Russia if they tried to use Russian nukes against Israel.

It is believed during the reigns of Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, Russia was preparing to attack Israel with nukles but the US intervened to stop this.

Now the concept of the US being a deterrent against Russia no longer exists which has caused Israel to panic and not wait any longer for Iran to be prepared to use nukes.

 

[sanman]

Scenes of heavy damage from Tel Aviv

 

[Mika-El]

Yeah. Thank goodness it was us and not just Russia and China or something.


No, China kept the US from overthrowing their country.

The fact is while in theory all countries should be treated equally and have the same powers and rights, in the real world that does not work and yes there are double standards of course.

Please do not tell me the UK or France having nukes frightens the world as much as North Korea or Pakistan and India.

Please do not tell me (well before Trump!) China or Russia having nukes was less worrisome than the US having them.

Who would you think is more likely to use a nuke weapon-Israel or Iran? Given the no. of wars Israel has had, have they ever threatened to use one? How many times on the other hand has Iran called Israel a cancer and said it needs to wipe them off the planet?

What we ignore that rhetoric and pretend Iran is a wonderful nation and should have a nuke cuz Israel has one?

Give me a break.


Yah there is a doubke standard and if you think its only fair that fat guy in North Korea have nukes because France does, oh go explain that to South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, China.

The reality is none of us want anyone to have nukes. The reality is some nations do and others certainly have the capacity to make them and may in fact keep them secret.

The other reality is nuke threats are a smokescreen or deflection tool to misdirect information from fear of other weapons like cyber-attacks, chemical-virus warfare, low radiation dirty bombs, electro-magnetic disruption weapons, lasers, weather manipulation.

 

[Mika-El]

Scenes of heavy damage from Tel Aviv

You might want to get your photo of damage from Israeli news sources. You know why.

I was watching internet today of Israel posted as coming from Iran and vice versa.

 

[Revelation]

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Edit, this is Father's day and i need a Break from this too.

even though this is The End, we should think of happier more Blessed things.

so pay no attention to my previous comments below....

thanks.

None of those countries border Israel.

and that means what?

we are not discussing WW one here friends.

now we have Trucks and missiles that fly.

Just ignore all the false prophecies, right?

well it is Best to ignore all the Propaganda spewing from many of the OTHER posts here. my posts are usually 99% accurate with some miss spellings because i am in a hurry to get these ideas across to Hungary minds that have been dumbed down in publick Skools.


Edit, and Quest there are weapons so Advanced you never heard of them. my Insiders Informants would rather me keep the Lid on those things, but Israel will be fine. as a hint, how about weapons so powerful like nuuuks that have no Radiation?


blessings all time the End of all times and we get raptured out of here.


bye.

.

 

[Mika-El]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.

History is full of examples where powerful actors chose diplomacy over domination - not out of weakness, but because mutual respect was a better long-term strategy.

I wish it was not so but I think world leaders are driven by security considerations that pose weakness as something the other side will exploit and is indeed considered weakness. Classic example, Neville Chamberlain, Haile Selassie.

How did they do with Hitler and Mussolini? Think they were respected?

You think people like Trump, Putin, Erdogan, the Ayatollah of Iran, the Prince in Saudi Arabia, that fat boy in North Korea, Xi in China, are not hardwired to disrepect weakness?

You think the US is NOT hard wired from its culture to believe might is right? Why do you think the US identity is so heavily fused to owning a gun?

The entire world at one point defined anyone not white (a colonial power) as contemptable savages, i.e., weak and so in need of control.

In my people's history, Jews were considered weak precisely because we did not in foreign countries carry weapons and shoot back if attacked.

You think aboriginal and native peoples were not defined as "weak" and therefore not entitled to respect for their way of life? There are other words for weakness-less human, savage, primative, female, gay, slave. All depends in how you apply the belief that the weakness entitles the weak targetted person or group to be treated with contempt or unfairness.

I would mlost certainly argue homo sapiens as a species is by inherent primal nature hardwired to have an alpha male dominate beta males, and so yes its hardwired and we have to learn to repress that hardwire and we are doing a half assed job of it.

On the other hand I very much appreciate the point you are making and would say we would hope if homlo sapiens can evolve we can develop our brains to evolve past that hard-wiring and create new hard wiring so to speak. I also believe that is possible and is underway.

Whether we live long enough to evolve past our alpha male knuckle dragging behaviour remains to be seen.

I think myself chimpanzees, orangutans, guerillas, baboons, have passed us. Certainly whales, dolphins, porpoises.
have. In fact which animal form kills indiscriminately like we do although many smell weakness and depend on that skill to eat the vulnerable as part of the survival of the fittest rule.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Israeli mass murder campaigns

Israel has no mass murder campaign. Muslim Supremacists, backed by Iran, launched a vile terrorist attack on 10/7 - that was a crime against humanity in pursuance of their goal of genocide of Jews in Israel.

That slogan you chant, "From the river to the sea," is a call for genocide of the Jews - as you well know.

haven’t wiped out the Palestinians and never will, no matter how desperately they and their Western apologists try.

There is no country or nation of Palestinian, and never has been. Hamas is made up of ethnic Arabs who are Muslim Supremacists bent on genocide of the Jews in Israel.

It appears they have your full support.

Scratch a democrat, find a Nazi.

 

[weaver2]

Not even America functions as a “terrorist state”.

A glorified knock off of the Sicilian Mob, endlessly blathering about how all the torture and mass murder it’s forces carry out is for “freedom” and “honor” while fueling said forces through blind corruption and protection rackets, is far more accurate.

"The mob" is the epitome of terrorist state.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And the Islamic one has the purpose of hunting down and murdering all the Jewish people, and the Jewish one is to not be genocided again.

Bingo - Never Again.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Scenes of heavy damage from Tel Aviv

I'm just here to see who actually cheers for Iran.

 

[Uncensored2008]

again, my point was BOTH governments are lead by religious fundies. BOTH!

If the Muslim Supremacists stops fighting Israel there will be peace.

If Israel stops fighting the Muslim Supremacists, there will be genocide.

That democrats support genocide of the Jews in Israel doesn't change this fact.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm just here to see who actually cheers for Iran.

Most of the left.. Read the thread.

 

[madman]

You clearly have not been to Israel. The majority of Israelis are NOT religious. They do not define their "Jewishness" by how much they pray or follow the rituals of beliefs of Judaism but on their ability to survive from extinction as a collective united by existential threat.

In Iran many of the people are Westernized and want to be Westernized or have friends or relatives leave Iran to be able to embrace Western values. Their country is run by a very fundamentalist Shiite clerical council and religious police force as well as military who must be subordinate to the clergy council.

It is very difficult to know who in their military let alone with their civilians who is NOT religious or extreme religious but feels unable to express themselves and whether they will want a civil war if they think the opportunity arises.

All I will say is speak to Iranians in the West. Iranians in the West are not fundamentalist extremist or hate Israel in fact many support Israel.'s right to exist.

I think simplistic stereotyping of Israel or Iran is pointless. They are both Westernized. Persian culture was not always anti semitic. Persian culture like Jewish culture is deeply inter-connected and linked to Zoroastrianism and the ancestors of the Hindus. May Jews consider themselves Persian as well.

Being Persian is much more than a certain kind of Shiite religious fundamentalism. Its far more complex then that and deals with art, food, clothing, family customs. humour, science.

We're talking about those the run the government. It's a non secular government.

 

[madman]

If the Muslim Supremacists stops fighting Israel there will be peace.

If Israel stops fighting the Muslim Supremacists, there will be genocide.

That democrats support genocide of the Jews in Israel doesn't change this fact.

****YAWN****

 

[Uncensored2008]

A little reminder to the Antisemites on this thread;

 

[Uncensored2008]

And Israel doesn't even have a CONSTITUTION - and it never has - which is absolutely ridiculous for a country that claims to be a "Western democracy"
That in itself is disqualifying.
Those who say "but Israel is like us" need to think again.

Are you even aware that Israel doesn't have a constitution?? Do you understand the importance of having a constitution for a country?
Maybe @ASHES or @reinaert or @Allan will tell me that none of that matters, and that anybody who says otherwise is a pedo.
If that doesn't even matter to you, then you're saying something about yourselves.

https://static.timesofisrael.com/blogs/uploads/2023/09/Constitution-for-Israel.pdf