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He's the stereotype.
And all along he told people that they "don't understand civics," they don't take personal "responsibility," and tried to promote himself as not a Trump worshipper, but just a sincere American who appreciates "results."
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product | |||||||||||||
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Last Revised on: April 29, 2020 - Next Release Date May 28, 2020 | |||||||||||||
Line | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | |
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1 | Gross domestic product | 14712.8 | 14448.9 | 14992.1 | 15542.6 | 16197 | 16784.9 | 17527.3 | 18224.8 | 18715 | 19519.4 | 20580.2 | 21427.7 |
2 | Personal consumption expenditures | 9976.3 | 9842.2 | 10185.8 | 10641.1 | 11006.8 | 11317.2 | 11822.8 | 12284.3 | 12748.5 | 13312.1 | 13998.7 | 14562.7 |
7 | Gross private domestic investment | 2477.6 | 1929.7 | 2165.5 | 2332.6 | 2621.8 | 2826 | 3044.2 | 3223.1 | 3178.7 | 3370.7 | 3628.3 | 3743.9 |
15 | Net exports of goods and services | -723.1 | -396.5 | -513.9 | -579.5 | -568.6 | -490.8 | -507.7 | -519.8 | -518.8 | -575.3 | -638.2 | -631.9 |
22 | Government consumption expenditures and gross investment | 2982 | 3073.5 | 3154.6 | 3148.4 | 3137 | 3132.4 | 3168 | 3237.3 | 3306.7 | 3412 | 3591.5 | 3753 |
Claims that are and have always been easily verified and proven...versus your track record of lies and data manipulation in order to better serve a national traitor.
Unlike you, I have integrity.
thank you for the partisan out of or lacking in context as you have no idea what taxes you pay or what their purpose is.
Further you have no understanding of what a federal mandate is and what funding goes to the hospitals and what created that funding. You going to tell us what you wanted from the economic shutdown, stopping the pandemic or generating negative economic results to blame on Trump?
It is stunning how people like you ignore personal responsibility.
"MSgt, post: 1073811800, member: 634"]
Clearly, the taxes I pay are for you and federal aid to basket case states, such as California and Texas. It's funny how you people are so determined not to see each other as existing on the same coin.
Trump bears great responsibility for the exacerbated deaths and the exacerbated economic mess because he chose to ignore the global pandemic, while harassing health officials, and convincing Trump Nation that masks are dumb. All just a Democrat hoax, right? Oh, except for on March 13, when he abruptly declared an national emergency and asked Democrats to help him write welfare checks, while his GOP handed him another handy-dandy bail-out package for mismanaged banks and corporations. You know, well after he entrenched American farmers within the welfare system due to his failed trade war crusade. Seems that you support a great deal of socialism for a guy who whines about others not taking responsibility.
Have you begged for my federal aid yet this week? What's stunning is how you excuse Trump from personal responsibility about absolutely ****ing everything, while trying to tell others that they ignore personal responsibility. Does Trump even pay you for this obnoxious and pathetic worship?
No, what those claims of yours show is that you have no understanding of GDP components or understanding of GDP data. The facts just don't support your claim as you focus on percentage change and not dollar growth. Do you even understand what numbers generate percentage change? Do you know what a denominator and numerator are?
Do you honestly...
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product [Billions of dollars] Bureau of Economic Analysis Last Revised on: April 29, 2020 - Next Release Date May 28, 2020 Line 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Line 1 Gross domestic product 14712.8 14448.9 14992.1 15542.6 16197 16784.9 17527.3 18224.8 18715 19519.4 20580.2 21427.7 2 Personal consumption expenditures 9976.3 9842.2 10185.8 10641.1 11006.8 11317.2 11822.8 12284.3 12748.5 13312.1 13998.7 14562.7
All your chart proves is that GDP rises, except in times of recession.Do you honestly believe that saying the same thing over and over again changes the reality of what happened during the first three years of Trump? What is about people like you that ignores reality and continues to spread liberal propaganda? Is the Bureau of Economic Analysis lying when they post Trump's 900 billion dollar per year GDP growth versus the declining dollar growth inherited by Trump, 500 billion dollars per year growth?
I find it quite disturbing how people like you continue to promote the fraudulent liberal ideology that creates dependence not independence and creates a massive big brother to provide for what you should be providing for yourself
I also find it disturbing how poorly informed you are as to the components of GDP, there are four, figure out what they are and then tell us what part gov't spending played in the 2020 GDP numbers
Then there is the question as to what you expected with the economic shutdown that was bipartisan, did you support the shutdown to stop the spread of the virus or to generate the poor economic results to blame on Trump? Why is it that the Blue states have a much higher unemployment today than Red States?
I am going to post this again, get some help reading it. Obama 500 billion per year in GDP dollar growth, Trump 900 billion. is that 500 billion per year and declining what you call a booming economy?
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product [Billions of dollars] Bureau of Economic Analysis Last Revised on: April 29, 2020 - Next Release Date May 28, 2020 Line 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Line 1 Gross domestic product 14712.8 14448.9 14992.1 15542.6 16197 16784.9 17527.3 18224.8 18715 19519.4 20580.2 21427.7 2 Personal consumption expenditures 9976.3 9842.2 10185.8 10641.1 11006.8 11317.2 11822.8 12284.3 12748.5 13312.1 13998.7 14562.7 7 Gross private domestic investment 2477.6 1929.7 2165.5 2332.6 2621.8 2826 3044.2 3223.1 3178.7 3370.7 3628.3 3743.9 15 Net exports of goods and services -723.1 -396.5 -513.9 -579.5 -568.6 -490.8 -507.7 -519.8 -518.8 -575.3 -638.2 -631.9 22 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 2982 3073.5 3154.6 3148.4 3137 3132.4 3168 3237.3 3306.7 3412 3591.5 3753
If someone can only views things thru one lens and that lens is manipulated to make themselves feel right despite the truth being the opposite there's almost zero chance they will ever understand any data or truths we post. If you're wearing blinders you can't see. Imagine believing that the election was "stolen" and that Trump didn't tell ANY lies for 4 years? What planet does that thinking reside on? It's not Earth. What sort of person yells at other posters for calling Trump names, calling it "juvenile" and in the same post and future posts calls Biden names? Detached from reality and filled with rage. Must be a wonderful life.Forget that he routinely fails to produce a link in order to verify that he hasn't altered the data again. And let's forget that he highlights select numbers over the period in order to belittle the other numbers. Let's look at all those numbers (in red) and what I and the rest of the world calls an inherited ****ing trend.
Numbers do not lie. Only partisan hacks and Trump Nation lies.
But Trump's numbers can't be that bad. He promised this:Yes, that is what integrity means. Speaking of....
Forget that he routinely fails to produce a link in order to verify that he hasn't altered the data again. And let's forget that he highlights select numbers over the period in order to belittle the other numbers. Let's look at all those numbers (in red) and what I and the rest of the world calls an inherited ****ing trend.
- Note how in 2008 the number is 14.
- Then in 2011 it is 15.
- Then in 2012 it is 16.
- Then 2014 it is 17.
- Then 2015 it is 18.
- Then in 2017 it is 19. <----Praise Trump?!
- Then in 2018 it is 20.
- Then in 2019 it is 21.
Funny how the numbers simply climb from one to the next since the Great Recession, creating a trend, huh? For the sake of those who want to see the actual GDP percentage, without 'Conservative's' chart misrepresentation:
Facts from the balance:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the World Bank:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:
2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52%
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
Numbers do not lie. Only partisan hacks and Trump Nation lies.
Got it, there are no blue supporters in red states and in your world a federal mandate created by Congress is a handout and tied to the amount of dollars paid in income taxes? What a joke liberalism is, totally ignorant of reality
Of course he does as obviously he sent infected seniors back to their nursing homes to infect others in NY.
That global pandemic was declared when and by whom?
Stunning how you continue to focus on January/February 2020 ignoring the comments of WHO and CDC and even now the Democratic claims that China understated the Covid19
Top U.S. diplomat criticizes China, says 'need to get to the bottom' of COVID-19 origin | Reuters
When will you ever understand the difference between a federal mandate and its relationship to revenue sent to DC?
If someone can only views things thru one lens and that lens is manipulated to make themselves feel right despite the truth being the opposite there's almost zero chance they will ever understand any data or truths we post.
If you're wearing blinders you can't see. Imagine believing that the election was "stolen" and that Trump didn't tell ANY lies for 4 years? What planet does that thinking reside on? It's not Earth. What sort of person yells at other posters for calling Trump names, calling it "juvenile" and in the same post and future posts calls Biden names? Detached from reality and filled with rage. Must be a wonderful life.
But Trump's numbers can't be that bad. He promised this:
THE PROMISE: THE ECONOMY WILL GROW BY 4%, 5%, or 6% - Americans For Tax Fairness
“The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” – President Trump, Dec. 16, 2017 [Real Clear Politics] “This huge tax cut will be rocket fuel for our economy.” – President Trump, Sept. 29, 2017 [Wall Street Journal] …americansfortaxfairness.org
Let us also remember that our dear poster Conservative belittled Obama during his years by saying, 'Obama's GDP was mediocre -- not even getting to 3% GDP in any year.' Well, neither did Trump but Con conveniently forgets that.
Again with the "no understanding" from the guy who has clearly proven to be so desperate for a reason to blindly support Trump that he was caught lying about the numbers and routinely cuts/pastes charts that he doesn't fully understand because they frequently counter his bad arguments.
Pal, there's a reason you chose to dismiss GDP altogether and resort to promoting cryptocurrency as your new measurement for Trump's majesty. Funny how you quickly abandoned and chose to excuse Trump for the 2019 GDP "results." You know, before he exacerbated last year's 2020 economic mess and then insisted that you stay on your knees for him anyway...cuz "communism" and "fraud" and hoax."
Yes, that is what integrity means. Speaking of....
Forget that he routinely fails to produce a link in order to verify that he hasn't altered the data again. And let's forget that he highlights select numbers over the period in order to belittle the other numbers. Let's look at all those numbers (in red) and what I and the rest of the world calls an inherited ****ing trend.
- Note how in 2008 the number is 14.
- Then in 2011 it is 15.
- Then in 2012 it is 16.
- Then 2014 it is 17.
- Then 2015 it is 18.
- Then in 2017 it is 19. <----Praise Trump?!
- Then in 2018 it is 20.
- Then in 2019 it is 21.
Funny how the numbers simply climb from one to the next since the Great Recession, creating a trend, huh? For the sake of those who want to see the actual GDP percentage, without 'Conservative's' chart misrepresentation:
Facts from the balance:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the World Bank:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:
2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52%
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
Numbers do not lie. Only partisan hacks and Trump Nation lies.
Proof of your partisanship:
I'm talking about Texas, not conservatives. Yet, you immediately default to defending conservatives by declaring that liberals also live in Texas. What the **** does that have to do with Texas always requiring federal handouts and federal aid?
This is exactly why you always lose. You see nothing beyond your partisan crap and would even betray your country for it.
What does Cuomo and other Governors have to do with Trump's anti-mask game? More partisan crap.
By WHO on January 5...and then China on January 20.
In the meantime, for some 53 days, Trump played anti-mask games and told America that it was just a Democrat hoax. No government plan to produce N95s. No plan to deal with the coming economic fall out. Just a constant berating of health officials, which continued well after he abruptly sent the American economy into more of a spiral when he abruptly declared a national emergency. In the absence of a national leader, America was left to fend for itself.
You lose again. Gotta protect that partisanship, huh?
Back to trying to solely blame China. Trump would be so proud of you for helping him escape "personal resposnbility."
In the meantime, back on February 6 of 2020, China had completed its highly public second COVID-19 hospital in 10 days. Funny how you think that the Secretary of State's comment, on April 11, 2021 (your link), about China's very brief moment of trying to keep it quiet somehow excuses Trump and the rest of his dipshit Administration from seeing entire hospitals being built back in February of 2020. In fact, Trump praised China 15 times for its transparency while the pandemic raged across the globe. Then, Trump commanded you to simply blame China. So, was Trump just too stupid to see what the entire world was seeing or was he playing you like a fiddle in order to create bogus political points against Democrats? Can't be both, pal.
Yes, that is what integrity means. Speaking of....
Forget that he routinely fails to produce a link in order to verify that he hasn't altered the data again. And let's forget that he highlights select numbers over the period in order to belittle the other numbers. Let's look at all those numbers (in red) and what I and the rest of the world calls an inherited ****ing trend.
- Note how in 2008 the number is 14.
- Then in 2011 it is 15.
- Then in 2012 it is 16.
- Then 2014 it is 17.
- Then 2015 it is 18.
- Then in 2017 it is 19. <----Praise Trump?!
- Then in 2018 it is 20.
- Then in 2019 it is 21.
Funny how the numbers simply climb from one to the next since the Great Recession, creating a trend, huh? For the sake of those who want to see the actual GDP percentage, without 'Conservative's' chart misrepresentation:
Facts from the balance:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the World Bank:
2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9%
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.
Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:
2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52%
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
Numbers do not lie. Only partisan hacks and Trump Nation lies.
Boehner admitted that he voted to re-elect the former guy.
I am not your pal....
...and you are obvious ignorant of GDP data and what spends --NOT PERCERTAGE CHANGE.
What is wrong with people like you?
Yes had a mess in 2020 and cannot help but notice how you ignored the question, did you support the economic shutdown which was bipartisan to stop the spread of the virus or to generate bad economic numbers to blame on Trump? Your blind partisan support for liberalism shows how easy it is to indoctrinate good people
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You are just upset that everybody else is clearly smarter than you. I forgive you, friend.
Yet, I just schooled you again with your own data. How do you not understand how consecutively counting from 14 and 21 is not a clearly documented trend?! Lets do it again so that all can see your stubborn refusal to remove yourself from Trump's false altar...
-- Then in 2018 it is 20.
- Then in 2019 it is 21.
We are educated, apply reason and common sense, and sit outside political circle jerks that keep us blind to even the obvious. Again, count from 14, don't skip a number, and stop at 21.
I did not support the disorganized way they did it, and did not support Trump's reckless abandonment to open back up, in which red state infections spiked all summer. There were plenty of states that presented models for how to do this (Colorado was one). There were entire countries that presented better models.
But we chose to play anti-mask games, do nothing in terms of economic or social programs for 53 days, and routinely harass health officials so that the idiot in the White House could create false "political" opposition for people like you. I remind you that even China managed to construct two COVID hospitals by February 6, fourteen days before Xi announced that this was out of hand, and while other countries were already implementing measures to slow the spread. Trump was mocking health officials and telling you that wearing a mask is a sign of weakness and "liberalism." <---- There's your indoctrination. He didn't even have to try hard to keep you leashed up.
This game you play where everybody other than what durps about in the right-wing are a bunch of lemmings defies the reality. How did QAnon work out? How about Trump's hoax to steal an election? You people are clearly the indoctrinated and partisan enslaved. I don't see a Biden Nation. Liberalism is the opposite of being indoctrinated. It is the willingness to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, being open to new ideas, and a promotion of individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. Perhaps if you hadn't allowed yourself to be marched directly towards or even into the alt-right's camp over the last four years, you would have more respect for my country and what it stands for. Read....a...****ing....book.
Yes, the number of 14 to 18 is four trillion dollars in 8 years or 500 billion per year the 19 to 21.7 is 2.7 trillion in three years or 900 billion per year. Stunning how that reality doesn't resonate with you. Do you know the difference between 500 billion per year and 900 billion per year? Basic math doesn't seem to exist but propaganda and indoctrination do
As you have been told over and over and over and over:
It's called an exponential trend, which is why, as the economy improved from what Republicans largely did to it, the economic numbers also translated to exponential job recovery. And when Trump took over the trend, he tampered and injected a temporary boost that saw a 2.9% in 2018. From this artificial injection he told you to bow to his magic. But from this artificial injection came the downturn. From that artificial 2.9%, the GDP dramatically dropped to 2.3% in 2019, which is lower than it would have been had Trump not introduced a quick cash grab for people who are not you, but at your expense. Then came his exacerbated mess of 2020.
Yes, basic math can be your friend. So can common sense. So can a desire to be more than a parroting puppet.
As you have been told over and over and over and over:
It's called an exponential trend, which is why, as the economy improved from what Republicans largely did to it, the economic numbers also translated to exponential job recovery. And when Trump took over the trend, he tampered and injected a temporary boost that saw a 2.9% in 2018. From this artificial injection he told you to bow to his magic. But from this artificial injection came the downturn. From that artificial 2.9%, the GDP dramatically dropped to 2.3% in 2019, which is lower than it would have been had Trump not introduced a quick cash grab for people who are not you, but at your expense. Then came his exacerbated mess of 2020.
Yes, basic math can be your friend. So can common sense. So can a desire to be more than a parroting puppet.
What is partisan about Congressional laws created to help people in need like the Pell Grant for college?
You buy rhetoric and ignore that money going to the states are for specific programs created by Congress and have nothing to do with the revenue going to the federal gov't. This seems to be a deficiency in basic civics education or should I say complete lacking of a good education?
Not surprising, the "big brother ideology" in you ignores...
By WHO on January 5? What was "Your" President saying in January about Covid? What did Pelosi do in January about Covid? What exactly did WHO and CDC say about Covid in January. You are so full of partisan hatred it is destroying what little credibility you thought you had
Your party is now blaming China so Trump was right
How many Covid Deaths did China claim even through mid 2020?
What is really sad is that you support an ideology that never accepts responsibility...
The more I think.....
Partisan is defending Texas from the "red state" perspective. You immediately default to defending conservatives and using the existence of liberals to do it. Funny how you people love denigrating liberals, but frequently employ them to justify you.
- If Texans aren't begging for federal assistance (hurricanes, freeze, hospitals, schools, etc.), they are whining about seceding (the latest being House Bill 1359 just this January), while perversely presenting themselves as patriots.
The Patriot Act was Republican.
Telling the more retarded of society to "liberate themselves" from state governors was Trump.
Deploying federal law enforcement to state issues was Trump.
Texas constantly receiving federal aid, in the absence of state taxes, requires "big brother."
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