Blood on Obama's hands !!!

[finebead]

News flash 10,000 blacks are killed every year and it happens to be blacks doing ALL the killing , what cave were you spending time in the last 20 years ? Black citizen as you refer to are felons who can NOT legally have a gun and should NOT resist arrest and fight with law enforcement !

Deadly force is only justified when your life or the life of others is threatened, and Eric Garner nor Walter Scott threatened anyone's life. You are wrong.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I agree with you, it is never justified to kill officer a for something that officer b did.

I disagree with the original poster that it is Obama's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhqHEgIgSGU

Did you see any black officers killing Eric Garner? Did you see any white police officers face charges for any form of homicide, despite that he died as a direct result of their actions? Did the city of NY pay a huge settlement to the Garner family, indicating culpability, yes they did, just no police officers held accountable for their actions.

Now, this is how white lawbreakers who are armed and threatening law enforcement get treated, we negotiate with them for days. We didn't provoke them.


Armed protesters won't leave federal building in Oregon - CNN.com

Do you see the difference?

Three of the six officers that "killed" Freddie Gray were black. Just because you can't find a proper boogie man to blame fast enough to suit you does not justify the use of "street justice" or destroying the property of random stingers. What happened in specific cases in NYC or Baltimore has zero to do with "white police" in general and may or may not have been a criminal act.

 

[katzgar]

News flash 10,000 blacks are killed every year and it happens to be blacks doing ALL the killing , what cave were you spending time in the last 20 years ? Black citizen as you refer to are felons who can NOT legally have a gun and should NOT resist arrest and fight with law enforcement !

not even close to the truth but we expect that

 

[katzgar]

Three of the six officers that "killed" Freddie Gray were black. Just because you can't find a proper boogie man to blame fast enough to suit you does not justify the use of "street justice" or destroying the property of random stingers. What happened in specific cases in NYC or Baltimore has zero to do with "white police" in general and may or may not have been a criminal act.

you are incorrect, more right wing fantasy

 

[ttwtt78640]

you are incorrect, more right wing fantasy

Who could argue with all of those solid facts.

 

[finebead]

Three of the six officers that "killed" Freddie Gray were black. Just because you can't find a proper boogie man to blame fast enough to suit you does not justify the use of "street justice" or destroying the property of random stingers. What happened in specific cases in NYC or Baltimore has zero to do with "white police" in general and may or may not have been a criminal act.

I am sorry, but that is Pollyannish. While I admire most in law enforcement, black, white, asian, hispanic, there is a segment, and I don't know how large it is, that treat black people differently, even when they are not doing anything wrong. That alone demonstates a problem.

Here is a United States Senator, a black republican, talking last week about how he is treated in Washington DC:

Following last week's deadly shootings, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott gave a deeply personal speech on the Senate floor in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday about the "deep divide" between communities and law enforcement.

While many law enforcement officers do good, he said, some do not. "I've experienced it myself."

Scott revealed that he has been stopped seven times in the course of one year as an elected official. "Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or something else just as trivial."

Scott is one of two current African-American senators, and he's the only black Republican in the body.

He described several encounters with police, including one where he was stopped because the officer suspected his car was stolen. He described a similar incident that happened to his brother, a command sergeant major in the U.S. Army. And he told the story of a staffer who was "pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than driving a nice car." The staffer eventually traded in his Chrysler for a "more obscure form of transportation" because "he was tired of being targeted."

"I do not know many African-American men who do not have a very similar story to tell no matter their profession. No matter their income, no matter their disposition in life," he said.

He asked his Senate colleagues to "imagine the frustration, the irritation, the sense of a loss of dignity that accompanies each of those stops."

Scott also described walking into an office building on Capitol Hill and having an officer ask him to show his ID even though he wore a Senate pin.

While he is thankful he has not faced bodily harm, he said, "there is absolutely nothing more frustrating, more damaging to your soul than when you know you're following the rules and being treated like you are not."

"We must find a way to fill these cracks in the very foundation of our country," he said.

The senator ended with a plea to his colleagues to "recognize that just because you do not feel the pain, the anguish of another, does not mean it does not exist."

Senator Tim Scott Delivered A Personal Speech On His Encounters With Police : NPR

 

[Tigerace117]

This is not Obama's fault. This is the fault of white police shooting and killing black citizens, or in the case of NYC just holding them down while they can't breath, and the prevalence of cell phones to record such activity today. Then the DA takes these cases to the grand jury where there is NO cross examination of evidence, the police give their side of the story, it goes unchallenged, they feared for their life, and they are No True Billed, and they suffer no repercussions from the legal system, no jail time. The people see they are not getting justice from their "justice system", and that is what is causing this problem, not Obama.

Clearly, the answer is to spew bullets indiscriminately :roll:

 

[Socrates1]

Deadly force is only justified when your life or the life of others is threatened, and Eric Garner nor Walter Scott threatened anyone's life. You are wrong.

So far every officer was found NOT guilty by a black jury and black judge in Eric Garner's case !

 

[Socrates1]

not even close to the truth but we expect that

How would you know the truth ?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I am sorry, but that is Pollyannish. While I admire most in law enforcement, black, white, asian, hispanic, there is a segment, and I don't know how large it is, that treat black people differently, even when they are not doing anything wrong. That alone demonstates a problem.

Here is a United States Senator, a black republican, talking last week about how he is treated in Washington DC:


Senator Tim Scott Delivered A Personal Speech On His Encounters With Police : NPR

I have no doubt that some cops simply "fish" and randomly make stops hoping to fond someone with an outstanding warrant or that will freak out and "resist" authority. I, as a white, long haired, bearded "biker" have been similarly pulled over for some manufactured excuse (once even being told that a "crack house" was nearby) but - so what? It was some wasted time but not that big of a deal.

 

[Patrickt]

Oh, shut the hell up.

No wonder leftists want to do away with the First Amendment. We knew President Obama was a racist before he was elected the first time, the demonstrated that he was a racist and got elected a second time. Apparently, there are those who want a racist in the White House.

 

[ksu_aviator]

No, I don't. Are you going to try and say that with all the cell phone video we have, there is NO problem with some white police using excessive force on black citizens?



Let's see, white officer shooting unarmed black man running away. Yea, there's a problem.

Police officers more hesitant to shoot black suspects, study finds - Washington Times

Your presumption that white police are just out murdering every black man they can find is not backed by the facts. Whites are more likely to be shot if compared to blacks exhibiting the same level of threat. Your post was racist.

 

[finebead]

Clearly, the answer is to spew bullets indiscriminately :roll:

No, that is not the answer. But, the original poster said this was all Obama's fault, blood on Obama's hands is the title of the thread, and that is wrong.

 

[finebead]

So far every officer was found NOT guilty by a black jury and black judge in Eric Garner's case !

That is clearly wrong, because no officer was charged in Eric Garner's case. No charges were ever filed.

 

[Fishking]

This is the fault of white police shooting and killing black citizens, or in the case of NYC just holding them down while they can't breath,

Why do you propagate lies? Not all instances are white police and not all of those killed are black. For example, in the case of Eric Garner, the person that couldn't breath, the sergeant on the scene was a black female officer. Police sergeants have a lot of authority and she didn't deem anything going on that was worth intervening in. The person that was recently shot in his car was shot by a Hispanic police officer.

It amazes me that even when the police officer isn't white, it's always blamed on white police officers.

 

[finebead]

Police officers more hesitant to shoot black suspects, study finds - Washington Times

Your presumption that white police are just out murdering every black man they can find is not backed by the facts. Whites are more likely to be shot if compared to blacks exhibiting the same level of threat. Your post was racist.

Your little study is based on INTERVIEWS with 300 cops, no actual field data. We mostly agree that most cops are good guys and gals, in fact I would say that many are better than just good, they are outstanding human beings. It is the rotten apples in the barrel that are messing things up, and we don't know how big a portion of the police that slice is. But if you just interview 300, did they even talk to any of the bad cops, and if they did, do you think the bad cops would tell them the truth?

Now, lets look at the actual data from 2015, for police shootings of unarmed people:

Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

Police killed more than 100 unarmed black people in 2015 — Mapping Police Violence

Your point is defeated.

 

[katzgar]

How would you know the truth ?

more of the expected

 

[finebead]

Just to show how the bad cops use excessive force and then lie to try and get out of taking responsibility for their actions, I give you the case of Bryce Masters, stopped for nothing (except the cops knew him), tased, heart stopped, permanent brain damage. The cop was eventually convicted and will serve 4 years. Bryce's dad is a cop also, and he called an FBI friend, and they were investigating within the day. Got the dashcam video. If Bryce Masters was a black teen, nobody would have ever heard of the case, and the cop would probably not have served any time. That's the difference.

Do the cops lie? Of course, and here is Bryce's dad saying so:

Matt called the FBI agents he met on Monday. “You see what’s happening here,” Matt told them. “They’re working it backwards.” Matt’s experience as a cop taught him that officers can sometimes write themselves out of trouble through exaggerated and self-serving reports. “Whenever you see these officers come out with a use of force, whether it be a shooting or a tasering or a whatever, there are phrases that always go in those reports, that we’ve been trained to put in there,” Matt said. “And so many times that’s just like an ‘insert quote here’ in your report because that’s going to cover your ass.”

Matt saw the phrasing and knew Runnels was looking for ways to justify both the stop and the attempted arrest. Matt suspected that once it was clear the warrant association to the car wasn’t sufficient probable cause for an arrest, Runnels needed new justifications. Since smell is subjective, and difficult to prove, officers can use “marijuana odor” broadly to justify probable cause, Matt said. “Cops use that all the time.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07...-8-minutes-now-facing-a-lifetime-of-recovery/

Go look at that video if you want to see something sickening.

 

[finebead]

Why do you propagate lies? Not all instances are white police and not all of those killed are black. For example, in the case of Eric Garner, the person that couldn't breath, the sergeant on the scene was a black female officer. Police sergeants have a lot of authority and she didn't deem anything going on that was worth intervening in. The person that was recently shot in his car was shot by a Hispanic police officer.

It amazes me that even when the police officer isn't white, it's always blamed on white police officers.

The officer with the choke hold on Garner that is most responsible for his death is Panteleo, a white officer. He is the officer that the grand jury investigated, and the only one of the seven that was investigated.

As far as Officer Yanez who killed Philando Castile in Minnesota, he is Mexican, but that is his ethnic background, not his race. Most hispanics identify as "white" on government forms.

Race Categories

American Indian or Alaska Native: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Asian: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Black or African American: A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. Terms such as "Haitian" or "Negro" can be used in addition to "Black or African American".

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.

White: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

Ethnicity Categories
Hispanic or Latino: A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race. The term, "Spanish origin", can be used in addition to "Hispanic or Latino".

Race and Ethnicity Classifications ? State Data Center

The federal classifications mirror these.

 

[Kobie]

So far every officer was found NOT guilty by a black jury and black judge in Eric Garner's case !

Um, no ... the officers weren't even charged in the Garner case and, since it was a grand jury that didn't indict, the racial makeup of the GJ was never released.

 

[Kobie]

No wonder leftists want to do away with the First Amendment. We knew President Obama was a racist before he was elected the first time, the demonstrated that he was a racist and got elected a second time. Apparently, there are those who want a racist in the White House.

Okay. :roll:

 

[Fishking]

The officer with the choke hold on Garner that is most responsible for his death is Panteleo, a white officer. He is the officer that the grand jury investigated, and the only one of the seven that was investigated.

It doesn't matter. The sergeant on the scene was a black female officer. She could have told them to stop. She didn't. Case closed.

As far as Officer Yanez who killed Philando Castile in Minnesota, he is Mexican, but that is his ethnic background, not his race. Most hispanics identify as "white" on government forms.[/url]

Mexican isn't white.

 

[Patrickt]

It doesn't matter. The sergeant on the scene was a black female officer. She could have told them to stop. She didn't. Case closed.



Mexican isn't white.

Mexicans aren't white? Amazing. Incredibly stupid but amazing. That's like saying Americans aren't black or Americans aren't white. Of course, Donald Trump insists an American judge is Mexican so I guess fools can be rich.

Race, ethnicity, and national origin are different terms with different meanings.

Oh, and the sergeant standing up and telling to stop would have accomplished a lot because everyone knows white people always listen to white police officers and black people always listen to black police officers.

 

[Thoreau72]

Obama has blood on his hands because he has lived by the philosophy that there is a military solution to all problems, and that he has the power to kill anybody he wants, being judge, jury and executioner with no judicial oversight at all.

Barack the Gunslinger is what he is.

 

[Socrates1]

That is clearly wrong, because no officer was charged in Eric Garner's case. No charges were ever filed.

It was Freddie Gray the other felon .