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Blasts from the Past: 3 Cases of Election Results Hypocrisy

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House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern on Wednesday defended his 2017 objection to President Trump's electoral votes from Alabama as a "protest" as he sparred with GOP Rep. Jim Jordan during House debate the parameters for debating the latest article of impeachment against Trump.
Dem lawmaker defends 2017 Trump electoral objection as 'protest vote' under pressure from Jordan | Fox News

MSNBC host Chris Hayes has been one of the most vocal critics of President Trump, accusing him in recent weeks of undermining democracy by not conceding the 2020 presidential election, but resurfaced comments he made back in 2016 suggested he also did not respect the country's electoral process.

Back in December 2016, following Trump's Electoral College victory against Hillary Clinton, Hayes offered a "fun fact" that suggests that the 306 electors that handed the president-elect the White House didn't actually have to abide by their own state's ballot outcome.

"Fun fact: states decide how to apportion their electors. They could give them all to, say, whichever candidate won majority of counties!" Hayes tweeted.
Chris Hayes haunted by 2016 'fun fact' when MSNBC host suggested electors abandon POTUS-elect | Fox News
A resurfaced May 2017 tweet from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has led to calls for consistency from Twitter as the social media giant continues its efforts to crack down on those skeptical of the results of the 2020 presidential election.
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However, on the eve of Robert Mueller's appointment as a special counsel to investigate allegations of collusion between Russian officials and the Trump 2016 campaign, Pelosi tweeted: "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
Twitter silent after Pelosi tweet declaring 2016 election was 'hijacked' resurfaces | Fox News
As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
 

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As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
Looks like he might have had some connection with the dude with the bombs. The next day or two will tell the story, if there is one.
 

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A resurfaced May 2017 tweet from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has led to calls for consistency from Twitter as the social media giant continues its efforts to crack down on those skeptical of the results of the 2020 presidential election.
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However, on the eve of Robert Mueller's appointment as a special counsel to investigate allegations of collusion between Russian officials and the Trump 2016 campaign, Pelosi tweeted: "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
Twitter silent after Pelosi tweet declaring 2016 election was 'hijacked' resurfaces | Fox News
 

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As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
The number of things the left is continually shocked about things that happened, while forgetting that they did it 1st is really just baffling how they can rationalize it. Another good one was, "Trump is putting kids in cages!! Look at these pictures!" Then the pictures turned out to be from 2014 and Obama literally built everyone of those cages.

There's also a video out there of a collage of Hollywood celeb types begging the Electoral College to overturn the election.
 

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As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
If you are looking to get consistency from liberals? Good luck with that. I'm skeptical that they can be consistent.
 

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The number of things the left is continually shocked about things that happened, while forgetting that they did it 1st is really just baffling how they can rationalize it. Another good one was, "Trump is putting kids in cages!! Look at these pictures!" Then the pictures turned out to be from 2014 and Obama literally built everyone of those cages.

There's also a video out there of a collage of Hollywood celeb types begging the Electoral College to overturn the election.
It’s great that “the left” owns every lefty everywhere who says anything, (“Do you even KNOW what Alec Baldwin has been saying???” ‘Nope.”) but Trump is absolutely *not* responsible for the words he said directly to a crowd that then attacked congress to overturn an election.

Remember when ya’ll were all about cops until Trump voters beat one to death? I do!
 

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The OP's post is only scratching the surface.


Long, long history of disputing election results they don't like, but to be fair, there's some of that on the Republicans as well.
 

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A resurfaced May 2017 tweet from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has led to calls for consistency from Twitter as the social media giant continues its efforts to crack down on those skeptical of the results of the 2020 presidential election.
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However, on the eve of Robert Mueller's appointment as a special counsel to investigate allegations of collusion between Russian officials and the Trump 2016 campaign, Pelosi tweeted: "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
Twitter silent after Pelosi tweet declaring 2016 election was 'hijacked' resurfaces | Fox News
False comparison. Russia did in fact interfere in the 2016 election in favor of Donald Trump. This is a fact accepted by all US intelligence agencies with mountains of evidence to back it up. Perhaps "hijcked" was overstating it a bit, but she did say "Follow the Facts."

The Democrats did not steal the 2020 election. Republicans are not "Following the Facts." They are repeating a false narrative with no evidence to back it up in order to subvert American democracy and ignore the will of the people, and are purposefully ignoring the facts.

And most importantly, Democrats did not engage in insurrection over it. The investigations happened, Trump was not exonerated, he was impeached, and the Senate refused to take action and Democrats grumbled about it. That's called respecting democracy, respecting the rules, and following the facts. This is the difference between the party of law and order lawfully disputing election results and the party of criminal fascists inciting rebellion over them.
 
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As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
But they didn't cause a riot.
 

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A resurfaced May 2017 tweet from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has led to calls for consistency from Twitter as the social media giant continues its efforts to crack down on those skeptical of the results of the 2020 presidential election.
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However, on the eve of Robert Mueller's appointment as a special counsel to investigate allegations of collusion between Russian officials and the Trump 2016 campaign, Pelosi tweeted: "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
Recall that as early as July 2016 it was a known fact that foreign agents were attempting to influence or 'hijack' the election, in the form of hacking and publicly releasing emails from the Democratic National Convention. WikiLeaks and 'Guccifer 2.0' attempted to hide or deny Russian involvement, but even Donald Trump recognized the probability of Russian involvement with his joke that they should "find the 30,000 emails that are missing." Those probabilities were amply confirmed within a matter of months:
In a joint statement on October 7, 2016, the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence expressed confidence that Russia had interfered in the presidential election by stealing emails from politicians and U.S. groups and publicizing the information.[194] . . . . On October 7, the U.S. government formally accused Russia of hacking the DNC's computer networks to interfere in the 2016 presidential election with the help of organizations like WikiLeaks. . . .​
On December 9, the CIA told U.S. legislators the U.S. Intelligence Community had concluded, in a consensus view, that Russia conducted operations to assist Donald Trump in winning the presidency, stating that "individuals with connections to the Russian government", previously known to the intelligence community, had given WikiLeaks hacked emails from the DNC and John Podesta.[198] The agencies further stated that Russia had hacked the RNC as well, but did not leak information obtained from there.[130] These assessments were based on evidence obtained before the election.[199] . . . .​
On January 6, 2017, after briefing the president, the president-elect, and members of the Senate and House, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) released a de-classified version of the report on Russian activities.[20] The intelligence community assessment (ICA), produced by the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the ODNI, asserted that Russia had carried out a massive cyber operation ordered by Russian President Putin with the goal to sabotage the 2016 U.S. elections.[222] The agencies concluded that Putin and the Russian government tried to help Trump win the election by discrediting Hillary Clinton and portraying her negatively relative to Trump, and that Russia had conducted a multipronged cyber campaign consisting of hacking and the extensive use of social media and trolls, as well as open propaganda on Russian-controlled news platforms.[223]

As you've quoted, the Mueller investigation was "to investigate allegations of collusion between Russian officials and the Trump 2016 campaign"; the fact of Russian interference in favour of Trump was already well-established.

Quite possibly Roadvirus and yourself were not aware of these facts? Or had forgotten them, perhaps? (Not being American, I didn't know/recall much of it myself.) But now that you and I are both better informed, can you understand the dishonesty of a comparison between A) Pelosi tweeting about the well-established fact of substantial foreign interference in the election without any hints of trying to overturn the certified results, versus B) Trump et al, perpetually continuing to tweet extreme and sometimes violent rhetoric about never conceding and "fighting" the results of an election which he had been claiming without evidence since many months beforehand was fraudulent but had 60ish failed lawsuits and the conclusion of his own Attorney General as proof to the contrary. Do you understand the difference there, and the abject dishonesty of the comparison?
 
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I was going to write more but realized it’s a waste. The idea that any of those are equivalent to the current President’s lies is obviously wrong.

I guess go ahead and masturbate to your “gotcha” porn while the adults talk about real things.
 

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As per The Woke's new election objection rules, Nancy Pelosi and Jim McGovern should be booted from Congress & Social Media and Chris Hayes should be fired from MSNBC and booted from Social Media.

And i don't want to hear any "But they didn't cause a riot" crap. It don't matter! Ted Cruz is being threatened with being put on a No Fly List and called to resign simply for questioning the election results while NOT egging on the Capitol criminal terrorists.
You seem to recognize the totally distinguishing feature here--which is that none of these people supported, encouraged, or defended a terrorist attack on our nation's Capitol or any illegal efforts to prevent the transfer of power.

Ted Cruz is not going to be put on a no fly list or booted from the Senate. People are saying he should be? Go check on what people are saying should be done to Pelosi and then get back to me.
 

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Take a walk down memory lane if it gets your mind off the present.
Next Wednesday it will be President Biden and Individual 1.
 

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Hypocrites pretending to find hypocrisy elsewhere.

Whatever makes them think they have functioning moral systems.
 

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Hypocrites pretending to find hypocrisy elsewhere.

Whatever makes them think they have functioning moral systems.
In some cases, perhaps, but as I've commented in other threads the unfortunate fact is that we're a bunch of primates who've managed to agglomerate an incredibly complex society around ourselves which few (if any) individuals can really hope to fully understand. So to greater or lesser extents we all turn to simplifying narratives to try to make sense of it all. For example, none of us actually knows whether Russians interfered in the 2016 election - and probably wouldn't even know where to begin trying to find out for ourselves - but we use a simple heuristic like "the intelligence community can find and tell us the truth" to conclude that they did. Some heuristics/narratives are much better than others of course; "Donald Trump tells it like it is" is not a particularly rational one (yet many cling to it for dear life) and apparently "Fox/NewsMax/OAN tell me what I need to know" isn't much better. Perhaps nor is the equivalent for NBC :unsure: (Although a stronger case might be made that negative left-wing narratives such as "Fox etc. are never worth paying attention to" are problematic.)

Didn't have time to edit it into my former post, but my advice to Integrityrespec, Roadvirus et al (and everyone else for that matter) would be:
Don't be a dupe. Do some basic fact-checking and research. Form your own opinions; and be sceptical of even them!

Quite possibly Roadvirus and yourself were not aware of these facts? Or had forgotten them, perhaps? (Not being American, I didn't know/recall much of it myself.) But now that you and I are both better informed, can you understand the dishonesty of a comparison between A) Pelosi tweeting about the well-established fact of substantial foreign interference in the election without any hints of trying to overturn the certified results, versus B) Trump et al, perpetually continuing to tweet extreme and sometimes violent rhetoric about never conceding and "fighting" the results of an election which he had been claiming without evidence since many months beforehand was fraudulent but had 60ish failed lawsuits and the conclusion of his own Attorney General as proof to the contrary. Do you understand the difference there, and the abject dishonesty of the comparison?
 
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It’s great that “the left” owns every lefty everywhere who says anything, (“Do you even KNOW what Alec Baldwin has been saying???” ‘Nope.”) but Trump is absolutely *not* responsible for the words he said directly to a crowd that then attacked congress to overturn an election.

Remember when ya’ll were all about cops until Trump voters beat one to death? I do!
Guess you're not following your own words, the words of leftists posting here, and what we are seeing in the media, eh? Everyone that is conservative or GOP is being painted by the actions of a few people over 4 hrs that had no mainstream support and is soundly being condemned.
 

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Guess you're not following your own words, the words of leftists posting here, and what we are seeing in the media, eh? Everyone that is conservative or GOP is being painted by the actions of a few people over 4 hrs that had no mainstream support and is soundly being condemned.
President Trump isn't mainstream? As I'm sure you're well aware,
- he's reported by his allies as having been initially pleased by the events (annoyed only by the "low class" appearance of his supporters);
- he called Congress members literally in mortal danger from his mob, not to check on their wellbeing but to drum up further support for his own agenda;
- he refused to authorize assistance from the national guard when requested, eventually being undermined by Pence's authorization; and
- he expressed in a tweet his "love" for the "great patriots" involved, saying it was a day to be remembered.

That he later found it more expedient to turn on his supporters instead is neither a surprising nor a redeeming fact. The same can be said for the political expediency of Republicans who still support Trump, or defend him from even the earliest and mildest consequence of his actions, while making a big show of condemning the predictable effects of his (and in many cases their own) months of baseless claims/lies and extreme, sometimes violent rhetoric about "fighting like hell" to "stop the steal."*


*Edit: Coupled with almost total absence of responsible emphasis on peacefulness and respect for due process of the law and Congressional procedure... but instead an adamant refusal to ever concede or permit a peaceful transition of power.
 
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Guess you're not following your own words, the words of leftists posting here, and what we are seeing in the media, eh? Everyone that is conservative or GOP is being painted by the actions of a few people over 4 hrs that had no mainstream support and is soundly being condemned.
Remember when you voted for the guy who said all Muslims should be banned from coming into the country at the start of his campaign? I do!
 

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President Trump isn't mainstream? As I'm sure you're well aware,
- he's reported by his allies as having been initially pleased by the events (annoyed only by the "low class" appearance of his supporters);
- he called Congress members literally in mortal danger from his mob, not to check on their wellbeing but to drum up further support for his own agenda;
- he refused to authorize assistance from the national guard when requested, eventually being undermined by Pence's authorization; and
- he expressed in a tweet his "love" for the "great patriots" involved, saying it was a day to be remembered.

That he later found it more expedient to turn on his supporters instead is neither a surprising nor a redeeming fact. The same can be said for the political expediency of Republicans who still support Trump, or defend him from even the earliest and mildest consequence of his actions, while making a big show of condemning the predictable effects of his (and in many cases their own) months of baseless claims/lies and extreme, sometimes violent rhetoric about "fighting like hell" to "stop the steal."*


*Edit: Coupled with almost total absence of responsible emphasis on peacefulness and respect for due process of the law and Congressional procedure... but instead an adamant refusal to ever concede or permit a peaceful transition of power.
He has condemned the actions and even prior to them he specifically said to peacefully protest so...
 

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He has condemned the actions and even prior to them he specifically said to peacefully protest so...
Yes, he later found it more expedient to thoroughly turn on his supporters instead of the delight and even "love" he had initially shown those "great patriots." Guess you've really shown what a great leader Trump is and put me in my place by pointing that out :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, he later found it more expedient to thoroughly turn on his supporters instead of the delight and even "love" he had initially shown those "great patriots." Guess you've really put me in my place and shown what a great leader Trump is by pointing that out :rolleyes:
I know reading is super duper tough but in the post you quoted I specifically highlighted that Trumps specifically said to peacefully protest, that was before they went to the Capitol.
 

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Long, long history of disputing election results they don't like, but to be fair, there's some of that on the Republicans as well.
How many Democrats tried to assault the capitol building and murder members of Congress to overturn the election?
 

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He has condemned the actions and even prior to them he specifically said to peacefully protest so...
Did he? "Show your strength?" "Take back your country?" While the certification vote is going on? Curious claim.
 
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