SmokeAndMirrors
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For the same reason being black was and still is?I agree that it doesn't change anyone's fundamental character but I am genuinely curious why homosexuality seems to be as much of a political position as a sexual preference.
I agree that it doesn't change anyone's fundamental character but I am genuinely curious why homosexuality seems to be as much of a political position as a sexual preference.
I agree that it doesn't change anyone's fundamental character but I am genuinely curious why homosexuality seems to be as much of a political position as a sexual preference.
I want to know why people believe this.
I want to know why people believe this.
She had done her best to be supportive when he came out. And somewhere inside her rational self, she knew it changed nothing about him. He'd always been gay. The only thing that had changed is now she knew it.
"I'm so worried about him now." And then she went on to talking about how she was concerned he would get into party drugs, screw around, and wind up with AIDS.
What is it about being gay that makes people believe everything about them will be overwhelmed by some pressing desire to do drugs and have unsafe sex?
What is it about being gay that makes people believe everything about them will be overwhelmed by some pressing desire to do drugs and have unsafe sex?
I want to know why people believe this.
Those are some other reasons people make these assumptions about gays: "culture" "lifestyle" "coming out."
:shrug: All these labels make it into something it's not: a different means of existence, like an extra dimension, where they're all a like and do all sorts of strange things together in their queer little communities.
None of it's true, of course - but they still have to 'come out of the closet' as if being 'straight' is also a strange mode of existence.
People think it's dramatic because people say it's dramatic.
Well smoke I can tell you exactly why your elders have these preconceived notions about what it is to be gay. When I was your age it was the SF bath house scene with group sex and gays parading around in women's lingerie and yes, getting AIDS so forgive us for our bias. Hopefully things really have changed.
You know what's really interesting?
You see all these posts on the internet about "crazy pride parades."
If you look a little closer, the majority of these are actually fetish parades, and most of the men in those are straight. But everyone sees a leather daddy and assume it's a gay dude. Because apparently gay guys just wear leather all the time, or something.
I wonder if you hold the same views about straight men. Somehow I doubt it.
Oh, and you know who got more AIDS than gays? Hemophiliacs. Wiped out 50% of them. Them too?
And in most of the world outside the West, straights are more affected than gays. Nationalist too?
You know what's really interesting?
You see all these posts on the internet about "crazy pride parades."
If you look a little closer, the majority of these are actually fetish parades, and most of the men in those are straight. But everyone sees a leather daddy and assume it's a gay dude. Because apparently gay guys just wear leather all the time, or something.
I wonder if you hold the same views about straight men. Somehow I doubt it.
Oh, and you know who got more AIDS than gays? Hemophiliacs. Wiped out 50% of them. Them too?
And in most of the world outside the West, straights are more affected than gays. Nationalist too?
Nope. Having attended many pride parades, there are just as many straight people doing outlandish (and more outlandish) things as there are gay people.You're claiming that most of the more outlandish people in gay pride parades are straights pretending to be gay? Gonna call bollocks on that.
Nope. Having attended many pride parades, there are just as many straight people doing outlandish (and more outlandish) things as there are gay people.
Or, for example, when I moved to Chicago, I was take by surprise that the gay bars here actually have gay people in them. In a lot of places I've lived the gay bars are full of straight people just acting ridiculous, which makes it difficult to interact with anyone, because you meet a person in the bar ... and good chances are that they're straight.
When you refer to "gay events" like pride parades, bars, parties, etc., they are by no means exclusively gay.
I don't think for a second that "gay events" are exclusively gay, but it seems hard to swallow (no pun intended) that the majority of people acting...peculiar...are actually straight.
Do you think that there's a movement out there of straight people intentionally trying to sully the reputation of homosexuals by acting absurd?
SmokeAndMirrors wasn't saying anything about which "majorities" are acting peculiar, which is how you interpreted the post. What SmokeAndMirrors was saying is that the events labeled as "gay" -- and let's pick the IML (International Mr. Leather) conferences, for example -- aren't actually gay events. IML conferences involve both straight and gay people and doesn't cater to any particular sexuality. But those who quote "oppose the homosexual lifestyle" still get all upset over IML and demonize it as a bunch of peculiar gays in leather. They miss the reality of the event completely.I don't think for a second that "gay events" are exclusively gay, but it seems hard to swallow (no pun intended) that the majority of people acting...peculiar...are actually straight. Do you think that there's a movement out there of straight people intentionally trying to sully the reputation of homosexuals by acting absurd?
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