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Bail Fail Stories

Lord Tammerlain said:
Bail is supposed to be reasonable for the person who is trying for it.

If the person is a flight risk or likely to offend while on bail, then t should not be granted. Otherwise it should be reasonable and obtainable for the person
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Imo there should be no cash bail. Cash bail keeps innocent poor people in jail and allows guilty rich people to walk free. If they are a danger to the community or a flight risk hold them, otherwise set a court date and let them go.
 
Rawley said:
His one might well decide the NY governor race

MSN

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Scandalous. From the article:

On Oct. 4, a judge issued an order of protection for Keaira....

Yeah...that really worked, your Honor :rolleyes:
 
Mr Person said:
I found this one instance
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No, actually there are MANY instances....
Mr Person said:
our leading the world in incarceration rate.
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We have alot of criminals. Because of a huge thug/criminal subculture.
Mr Person said:
There's no room in court or in jail.
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Build more courthouses and jails. I'd gladly pay more taxes for them.
Mr Person said:
poor guy who's holding onto his job for dear life,
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"Guy" shouldn't have commited a crime if his job and life was that important to him.
 
Roadvirus said:
www.foxnews.com

Milwaukee parents blame liberal district attorney's soft bail laws for son's death in car crash

Milwaukee parents spoke out on their son's tragic death, arguing 20-year-old Danari Peer would still be alive if the district attorney was tougher on crime
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So the parents are blaming the DA for their son hanging out with an accused criminal who was speeding.


Perhaps, their son would be alive of he used his brain that hanging out with an accused criminal would potentially be a bad idea. Getting into a car with an accused criminal would be a bad idea. Perhaps his parents should have paid attention to who their son was hanging out with
 
Prior to shooting Cordero, McKay was most recently pursued by California authorities in March 2021 in connection with a felony kidnapping warrant. McKay was arrested after stabbing California Highway Patrol K-9 Sam, who took him down after his car was disabled by a spike strip, and he tried to flee on foot. The K-9 survived the attack.

Bianco said McKay was convicted of his third strike in November 2021 in connection with the above incident and should have been sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. Before sentencing, the judge lowered McKay's bail, which resulted in him being released.

He was then arrested for failure to appear at sentencing, where the same judge allowed for him to be released again, according to Bianco.

www.foxnews.com

California deputy shot, killed by man with 'extensive criminal history' during traffic stop: sheriff

A California sheriff's deputy was killed and a suspect was fatally shot Thursday on a freeway about 50 miles east of Los Angeles in Riverside County.
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Another damn judge that needs to be kicked off the bench.
 
Roadvirus said:
A thread for those stories where some state's "bail reform" or some criminal-coddling DA/Judge with a soft spot for crumbs of society has led to disaster.

www.foxnews.com

NYC man out on bail for alleged robbery caught on video now wanted for pointing gun at woman

A Brooklyn man charged with the savage caught-on-video robbery of a 68-year-old Citi Bike rider is now being sought by police for pointing a gun at woman, Fox News has learned.
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Our first contestant is a crumb out on bail for robbery. Prosecutors asked for $100K, but a ***** judge kicked it down to $20K. Now free, our story's antagonist decided to climb the criminal ladder to the level of "assault & deadly weapon possession". And to show he's an egotistical freak, he's posting stuff on Instagram while on the run.
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Should we eliminate all bail?
 
vegas giants said:
Should we eliminate all bail?
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No. But more common sense should be used. For example, past criminal records should be taken into account, as well as the crime that was committed and how dangerous the person may be.
 
Roadvirus said:
No. But more common sense should be used. For example, past criminal records should be taken into account, as well as the crime that was committed and how dangerous the person may be.
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Why not eliminate all bail?


They do all that already
 
Citing court documents, the station reported that Hill set the bond at $1 to show how he felt about the state’s law that requires those accused of violent crimes to put up cash to get released on their own personal recognizance (PR).

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Repeat offender accused of beating woman gets $1 bond: report

A District Court judge in Harris County, Texas, set the bond for a man convicted of eight previous felonies at $1 after he was recently charged with beating a woman.
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Another judge that needs to be kicked off the bench.
 
A Texas man accused of murdering his friend in Harris County in March 2021 was released on a $100,000 bond, then picked up a charge for unlawfully carrying a weapon in November 2022 and was released on bond again, this time for $10,000, according to court records.

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Texas man released on bond in murder case, hit with new weapons charge and released on bond again

A Texas man accused of murdering his friend in March 2021 was released on bond, then was charged with unlawful carrying of a weapon a year later and released on bond again.
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cwbchicago.com

Chicago man arrested twice in one day for breaking into cars — while on electronic monitoring for breaking into cars

Prosecutors say a Chicago man burglarized a work crew's van while wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet for two pending burglary cases. And, incredibly, the arrest occurred about two hours after he left the police station on a recognizance bond after a concealed carry holder held him at...
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Fresh felony charge for man who allegedly refused to leave his neighbor's apartment while on electronic monitoring for home invasion

Prosecutors say a Chicago man entered his neighbor's apartment without permission, then threatened to beat up cops who responded to the burglary call — while he was on electronic monitoring for a pending home invasion case.
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A couple more recent judicial disasters:

A Michigan man accused of killing his mother, stepfather and ex-girlfriend after being released from jail on bond has been charged with a fourth murder.

www.foxnews.com

Detroit murder suspect out on bond accused in fourth killing

A Michigan man who allegedly killed his parents and former girlfriend is not accused in the killing of a woman days earlier.
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A California man was out on bond for a December domestic violence arrest when he allegedly killed his ex-girlfriend, according to police, who say there could be more assault victims.

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The 36-year-old has a history of violence against women, according to court records obtained by USA Today.

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California man with history of violence against women killed ex-girlfriend while on bond: cops

Aaron Romo, who has a lengthy alleged history of violence against women, was on bail after a December domestic violence arrest when he allegedly killed his ex-girlfriend in Anaheim.
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The GPS monitoring device that had been attached to Bakana was cut off at about 9:20 a.m. on Raab Road outside north Normal, according to Molly Alvis, a McLean County pretrial services officer.

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Bakana’s bond had been set at $2 million with 10% to apply and he was released in October, having paid $200,000 plus fees to be let out.

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'Armed and dangerous' McLean County murder defendant missing, police say

Authorities are searching for a McLean County man who failed to show up for his murder trial on Monday morning. Police say he should be considered "armed and dangerous."
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Mr Person said:
These threads never construct the actual argument. It's all left to implication based on the anecdote.

The anecdote is always "I found this one instance in which someone got bail and then went a'criming" If that's all you offer, you necessarily leave your principals dialed to 11. The direct implication is that people who were arrested for the original crime or something like it should not have had the option of posting bail.

That would not be a mere repudiation of bail reform. It'd be an expansion of what we had!

One of the most grotesque problems with bail is in relation to our leading the world in incarceration rate. There's no room in court or in jail. Cases take a while. We deliberately underfund the courts, then underfund public defense even harder. "Underfund" isn't the right word. So what are you going to do as a poor guy who's holding onto his job for dear life, is living behind-bills to behind-bills, etc?

A lot of people might say "I'd stay and fight! On principle!" They're probably thinking of their assets, and fact that they won't have to ever prove it because they'll be able to post bail. Let's be honest. Unless you actually have completely and utterly ruined yourself in a bet for freedom and you lived it until you clawed out, you have no idea what you'd do. And you wouldn't. Choice:

- Cop to misdemeanor (say, resisting arrest, maybe disorderly, or maybe a minor drug charge) and get out so you can maybe try to keep your job, while making sure you have your belongings, apartment, GFs/fiances/wives, etc.
- Demand your right to a speedy trial and wait for six months. Or a year. Or whatever. Because all sorts of actions by a defendant toll the speedy trial requirement, and the government also has a number of ways to force defendants into a position where they'll do one of those things if they wouldn't anyway.




But things are scary. It's easier to attack bail on a bet that it won't happen to you or your own. If you're of means, you're going to be able to post bail in all but the most gruesome cases filed against rich people. It's only those people who plead despite innocence so they can keep at least a little bit of their lives.
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IMO bail should be only used as an incentive for the accused person to return to court for trial.
But considering how tight the finances of many are, paying any kind of bail might ruin them financially. (I could go off on a tangent talking about how ****ed up our economy is but I won't).
If court fees and bail would put the accused person in a worse financial position than before they were arrested, they should be waived in part or in whole, with the intent of preventing this financial change. IF that means they pay no court fees or bail, so be it.

If anywhere in our current system it is encouraged and/or financially viable to plead guilty even if innocent, that extremely unjust, and must be changed.
If this means we won't have enough judges and courts to handle all the cases, then we need to prosecute less cases or have more judges/courts. Or both.
 
The Mark said:
IMO bail should be only used as an incentive for the accused person to return to court for trial.
But considering how tight the finances of many are, paying any kind of bail might ruin them financially. (I could go off on a tangent talking about how ****ed up our economy is but I won't).
If court fees and bail would put the accused person in a worse financial position than before they were arrested, they should be waived in part or in whole, with the intent of preventing this financial change. IF that means they pay no court fees or bail, so be it.

If anywhere in our current system it is encouraged and/or financially viable to plead guilty even if innocent, that extremely unjust, and must be changed.
If this means we won't have enough judges and courts to handle all the cases, then we need to prosecute less cases or have more judges/courts. Or both.
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Indeed. Bail is horribly misused. It should be an insult to all Americans, but Americans tend to say "it's happening to those people, not my fam"

One can file motions to waive fees. Can't tell you about the success rate. I'm the dude trying to get them a new and hopefully fairer trial.

We need to massively beef up court funds. Like double them all around.
 
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