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From FOX News
Army says new war-ready M17 pistol will change modern combat
Earlier this year, soldiers with the Army’s 101st Airborne Division were the first to receive the services’ new high-tech 9mm pistol engineered to give dismounted infantry a vastly increased ability to fight and close with an enemy in caves, tunnels, crawl spaces, houses and other close quarter combat scenarios.
Service weapons developers and soldiers say the new M17 and M18 pistol, designed as a next-generation handgun to follow the Army’s current M9 Beretta, is expected to substantially change combat tactics, techniques and strategies for dismounted soldiers on-the-move.
“You can close with the enemy in close quarter combat and engage the enemy with one hand. It is tough to do this with the M9,” Lt. Col. Martin O’Donnell, spokesman for the 101st Airborne, told reporters earlier this year.
The new pistol is built with a more ergonomic configuration to better accommodate the widest possible range of hand grip techniques for soldiers and enable rapid hand switching as needed in combat. The M17 is said by developers to bring much tighter dispersion, improved versatility and next-generation accuracy.
COMMENT:-
It's great to see the American military buying American weapons from an American firm (even if that American firm isn't actually owned by Americans).
PS - Unless things have changed a whole lot, "The enemy is within accurate pistol shot range." means the same thing as "Somebody screwed up and the enemy is too damn close." 99 times out of 100.
The pistol is a good personal option for room clearing.
But we aren't talking about the difference between a Colt Dragoon revolver and a Glock. I don't see how the difference between the Beretta and this new M17 (SIG) is supposed to change combat tactics. It's still just a 9mm, it is still magazine fed, and it still needs only one hand to fire (though this is not proper so I have no idea why this is one of their supposed selling points - so the other hand can be taking selfies?).
........the missus is hell with a Swiffer...........:mrgreen:
.....isn’t “dismounted” infantry just infantry....?
........the missus is hell with a Swiffer...........:mrgreen:
.....isn’t “dismounted” infantry just infantry....?
From FOX News
Army says new war-ready M17 pistol will change modern combat
Earlier this year, soldiers with the Army’s 101st Airborne Division were the first to receive the services’ new high-tech 9mm pistol engineered to give dismounted infantry a vastly increased ability to fight and close with an enemy in caves, tunnels, crawl spaces, houses and other close quarter combat scenarios.
Service weapons developers and soldiers say the new M17 and M18 pistol, designed as a next-generation handgun to follow the Army’s current M9 Beretta, is expected to substantially change combat tactics, techniques and strategies for dismounted soldiers on-the-move.
“You can close with the enemy in close quarter combat and engage the enemy with one hand. It is tough to do this with the M9,” Lt. Col. Martin O’Donnell, spokesman for the 101st Airborne, told reporters earlier this year.
The new pistol is built with a more ergonomic configuration to better accommodate the widest possible range of hand grip techniques for soldiers and enable rapid hand switching as needed in combat. The M17 is said by developers to bring much tighter dispersion, improved versatility and next-generation accuracy.
COMMENT:-
It's great to see the American military buying American weapons from an American firm (even if that American firm isn't actually owned by Americans).
PS - Unless things have changed a whole lot, "The enemy is within accurate pistol shot range." means the same thing as "Somebody screwed up and the enemy is too damn close." 99 times out of 100.
Yep, and so is "dismounted cavalry".
The pistol is a good personal option for room clearing.
But we aren't talking about the difference between a Colt Dragoon revolver and a Glock. I don't see how the difference between the Beretta and this new M17 (SIG) is supposed to change combat tactics. It's still just a 9mm, it is still magazine fed, and it still needs only one hand to fire (though this is not proper so I have no idea why this is one of their supposed selling points - so the other hand can be taking selfies?).
Can't be true . The source is Faux news.
I always enjoy your posts, they are very informative as a rule. And that bolded sentence made me snort coffee all over the keyboard.
Dismounted cavalry is still cavalry because they performing a cavalry mission.
No no no, that is not the way evaluating sources works. I think I understand why some of your posts are so at odds with reality now.
Any source can have accurate information. Look at it this way: Even Trump tells the truth sometimes, right? But obviously only an idiot would believe anything he says without first confirming it with a reputable source.
Based on this and other posts you've made, I think this would be a good place for you to start: Jefferson Middle School: Evaluating Sources
Lots of links to good sites, which can explain to you why your post is so wrong.
Personally, I would have gone with 10mm.....but that would have thrown a wrench into the NATO STANAG.
From FOX News
Army says new war-ready M17 pistol will change modern combat
Earlier this year, soldiers with the Army’s 101st Airborne Division were the first to receive the services’ new high-tech 9mm pistol engineered to give dismounted infantry a vastly increased ability to fight and close with an enemy in caves, tunnels, crawl spaces, houses and other close quarter combat scenarios.
Service weapons developers and soldiers say the new M17 and M18 pistol, designed as a next-generation handgun to follow the Army’s current M9 Beretta, is expected to substantially change combat tactics, techniques and strategies for dismounted soldiers on-the-move.
“You can close with the enemy in close quarter combat and engage the enemy with one hand. It is tough to do this with the M9,” Lt. Col. Martin O’Donnell, spokesman for the 101st Airborne, told reporters earlier this year.
The new pistol is built with a more ergonomic configuration to better accommodate the widest possible range of hand grip techniques for soldiers and enable rapid hand switching as needed in combat. The M17 is said by developers to bring much tighter dispersion, improved versatility and next-generation accuracy.
COMMENT:-
It's great to see the American military buying American weapons from an American firm (even if that American firm isn't actually owned by Americans).
PS - Unless things have changed a whole lot, "The enemy is within accurate pistol shot range." means the same thing as "Somebody screwed up and the enemy is too damn close." 99 times out of 100.
That was just motivation for them to grow their hands to be like Trump.I agree 100% with what you said, and would like to add...
"engage the enemy up close with one hand"?
We did that repeatedly with the 1911.
and both sides did it repeatedly with the P-35 Browning Hi-Power.
...and you can still do it now with them.
We went backwards with the M9, I think.
I remember them saying they went to the M9 because they needed a pistol troops with smaller hands could use, so they approved a pistol with a fatter grip.
Yup, that is government logic for you.
That was just motivation for them to grow their hands to be like Trump.
10mm? Thats a hot load. Ive heard pistols using that caliber develop cracks in their barrels after just a few hundred rounds fired. I prefer the 45 ACP myself.
The pistol is a good personal option for room clearing.
But we aren't talking about the difference between a Colt Dragoon revolver and a Glock. I don't see how the difference between the Beretta and this new M17 (SIG) is supposed to change combat tactics. It's still just a 9mm, it is still magazine fed, and it still needs only one hand to fire (though this is not proper so I have no idea why this is one of their supposed selling points - so the other hand can be taking selfies?).
Wow, to you everything is Trump bash? Lighten up it is not healthy for you. It was JUST a joke.(rolling my eyes at yet another off topic excuse to Trump bash)
You guys are more fixated on Trump than those Trump supporters are.
You live, breathe, and eat Trump 24 hours a day and can't quit talking about him for even one minute, can you?
What will be the purpose of your life once he is out of office?
........the missus is hell with a Swiffer...........:mrgreen:
.....isn’t “dismounted” infantry just infantry....?
(rolling my eyes at yet another off topic excuse to Trump bash)
You guys are more fixated on Trump than those Trump supporters are.
You live, breathe, and eat Trump 24 hours a day and can't quit talking about him for even one minute, can you?
What will be the purpose of your life once he is out of office?
I can think of several scenarios in which you may need to fire one-handed. They are all scenarios you definitely don’t want to find yourself in, but it happens.
Yes, and so are paratroopers after they land.
I can think of several scenarios in which you may need to fire one-handed. They are all scenarios you definitely don’t want to find yourself in, but it happens.
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