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Are you sure there is no God ? [W: 352]

Are you sure there is no God ?

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Re: Are you sure there is no God ?

this seems like a poorly conceived trap question. How many theists *insist* they know there is a god? Go badger them!

i don't see what the big deal is. As the saying goes, every theist is an atheist with regard to the other 18 major religions. We just add one more
 
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Frank Apisa said:
For those who must make a blind guess about whether or not REALITY contains any gods...

...get a grip.

Saying, "I have no idea of what REALITY contains or does not contain" is not gonna kill ya.

There is no need for any gods; there is no evidence for any gods; there are no reasons why gods cannot exist...

...and I certainly cannot be sure gods exist or do not exist.

I suspect everyone else is in that same boat.
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except a god we have no need of and that there is no evidence of is certainly not worth worshiping. You may as well worship a meteor in space, since that at least we know exists and can impact (literally) something and create life conditions on otherwise sterile planets. Heck, it can even cause global extinctions, much like a vengeful OT god

maybe science-pantheism is onto something
 
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shagg said:
I am skeptical that such a being exists. In fact, I think its unlikely in the extreme. But you can't prove it's impossible. A skeptic doesn't need to ask any of those questions. You don't rule out possibilities without sufficient proof. Unicorns might exist. There's nothing about them that's impossible. It doesn't matter if I imagined them up or not.
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i feel like humanity would improve itself greatly by worshiping unicorns rather than genocidal maniacs like the OT god. Maybe i should start a 'church of unicorns' and be given tax exemption
 
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chromium said:
i feel like humanity would improve itself greatly by worshiping unicorns rather than genocidal maniacs like the OT god. Maybe i should start a 'church of unicorns' and be given tax exemption
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Hell yeah! I'll be a part of your congregation fo' sure! :D
 
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spud_meister said:
You don't live your life obeying the commands of all the gods that may possibly exist and punish you for not believing in them. So even though you may say gods could exist, you reject the existence of them out of hand with your actions. You're functionally atheist.
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this is as pointless as saying a christian is functionally an atheist of jainism and the greek pantheon. No individual can simultaneously obey all commands of all the 'gods' out there, because they so frequently contradict
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Well then it is a good thing that I am not a gnostic atheist.

I would suggest not trying to put words in my mouth. I have never asserted what you just said.

And you thinking that gods are possible is just your opinion: meaningless.

Hey if you want to assert that gods are not imagined then bring that case forward.

Obviously you have some kind of issue with gnostic atheists; perhaps you could go find one and have it out with them? In the mean time my actual position is that I am a ignostic atheist. It means that the question of the existence of God(s) is meaningless, of no value. Its like asking if any other imagined character exists. No one treats other fictional characters as if they could be possible somewhere in the universe. But when it comes to gods people insist that everyone must accept that they are possible somewhere maybe. They go on about you cannot find them so you cannot really know for sure.

The fact is that there isnt any evidence of gods. That alone doesnt prove that there are no gods. But with zero evidence of gods then all accounts of gods come from human imagination. And there is no way around that fact. Well unless you had evidence of gods. I know that you do not. No one does. All that we have is imaginations about these things we call gods. They are only stories. The only evidence in the case of gods is that humans created them to explain things that they dont understand. You seem to be ignoring the evidence and wnat me to convert over to believing that those imagined things are possible. You must think that I am a idiot to be convinced of something that extraordinary without any actual evidence.
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What a bunch of anti-intellectual nonsense!

The question actually is not, "Are there any gods?"

The question actually is, "What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence?"

The answer for me is: I do not know.

It ought to be for you also...but apparently you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that you do not know.

Once you do...IF you ever do...you will see that there are all sorts of possibilities.

There is nothing meaningless about the question...in fact, science is struggling with the problem all the time.
 
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spud_meister said:
Here you are rejecting the existence of all know gods that do have commands for us. Tell me again how you're not an atheist. :lol:
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I am NOT an atheist.

I also reject the notion that there are no gods.

Do you honestly think that makes me a theist?

By the way...I do not "reject the existence of all known gods." In fact, I did not even know there were any "known gods."
 
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Are you sure there is a god?
 
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chromium said:
except a god we have no need of and that there is no evidence of is certainly not worth worshiping. You may as well worship a meteor in space, since that at least we know exists and can impact (literally) something and create life conditions on otherwise sterile planets. Heck, it can even cause global extinctions, much like a vengeful OT god

maybe science-pantheism is onto something
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Anyone who worships any god...is simply someone in fear.

IF there is a god...there is no necessity for "worship."

The two have nothing to do with one another.
 
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I'm pretty sure there is no god simply because there isn't any evidence for him to exist. Its as simple as that.
 
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Frank Apisa said:
What a bunch of anti-intellectual nonsense!

The question actually is not, "Are there any gods?"

The question actually is, "What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence?"

The answer for me is: I do not know.

It ought to be for you also...but apparently you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that you do not know.

Once you do...IF you ever do...you will see that there are all sorts of possibilities.

There is nothing meaningless about the question...in fact, science is struggling with the problem all the time.
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Believe in fairy tells if thats what gets you off Frank.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
1)Well then it is a good thing that I am not a gnostic atheist.

I would suggest not trying to put words in my mouth. I have never asserted what you just said.

And you thinking that gods are possible is just your opinion: meaningless.

Hey if you want to assert that gods are not imagined then bring that case forward.

Obviously you have some kind of issue with gnostic atheists; perhaps you could go find one and have it out with them? In the mean time my actual position is that I am a ignostic atheist. It means that the question of the existence of God(s) is meaningless, of no value. Its like asking if any other imagined character exists. No one treats other fictional characters as if they could be possible somewhere in the universe. But when it comes to gods people insist that everyone must accept that they are possible somewhere maybe. They go on about you cannot find them so you cannot really know for sure.

2) The fact is that there isnt any evidence of gods. That alone doesnt prove that there are no gods. But with zero evidence of gods then all accounts of gods come from human imagination. And there is no way around that fact. Well unless you had evidence of gods. I know that you do not. No one does. All that we have is imaginations about these things we call gods. They are only stories. The only evidence in the case of gods is that humans created them to explain things that they dont understand. You seem to be ignoring the evidence and wnat me to convert over to believing that those imagined things are possible. You must think that I am a idiot to be convinced of something that extraordinary without any actual evidence.
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1) You should state your case better then. This is the first time you've mentioned this all being meaningless. Up until now you've been arguing gods don't exist and denying the sliver of doubt I've been arguing for, much as a gnostic atheist would. Your actual position is reasonable and doesn't make make unfounded assumptions.

2) You seem to be hung up on the idea that if something is imagined, it can't be possible. And all I'm arguing for is doubt, I'm not proving anything does or doesn't exist.
 
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chromium said:
i feel like humanity would improve itself greatly by worshiping unicorns rather than genocidal maniacs like the OT god. Maybe i should start a 'church of unicorns' and be given tax exemption
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TheGoverness said:
Hell yeah! I'll be a part of your congregation fo' sure! :D
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youve never heard of the invisible pink unicorn?

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Re: Are you sure there is no God ?

Your Star said:
Are you sure there is a god?
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WE believe there is .Nobody has seen god yet but many atheists claim they are sure there is not GOD
 
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Medusa said:
WE believe there is .Nobody has seen god yet but many atheists claim they are sure there is not GOD
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Atheists are sure because there is NO EVIDENCE that a god exists. If there was even just a tiny bit of evidence around then there would be no atheists. A belief is not evidence.
 
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PoS said:
Atheists are sure because there is NO EVIDENCE that a god exists. If there was even just a tiny bit of evidence around then there would be no atheists. A belief is not evidence.
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That would not be called 'belief' if we knew there was any evidence.that is not science
 
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Medusa said:
That would not be called 'belief' if we knew there was any evidence.that is not science
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Youre not making any sense, which is not surprising since you dont seem to know what youre talking about. There is either evidence or there isn't. If there is no evidence then you cannot disprove a negative- thats a logical fallacy. It is not up to the atheist to prove there is no god, it is up to those that believe there is a god to prove that he exists.
 
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Medusa said:
WE believe there is .Nobody has seen god yet but many atheists claim they are sure there is not GOD
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Atheist don't believe in God. They aren't 100% sure there isn't a God.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Because God is an unfalsifiable hypothesis.
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https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/178/Unfalsifiability

Description: Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.

Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.

Example #1:

I have tiny, invisible unicorns living in my anus. Unfortunately, these cannot be detected by any kind of scientific equipment.
Explanation: While it may actually be a fact that tiny, invisible, mythological creatures are occupying this person’s opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal, it is a theory that is constructed so it cannot be falsified in any way; therefore, should not be seriously considered without significant evidence.
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