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Are Democrats Dumb Enough to Actually Vote For Impeachment

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Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.
 

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Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.
I think they're desperate enough. They at the point where they're prepared to employee a kamikazi type strategy: They believe they can't win, so maybe they can make Trump quit.
 

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We'll see. The testimony thus far has been very consistent. Trump drove the bus. He used Giuliani to take back-channel methods of getting to Ukraine and press Trump's demands. Funds were withheld. Trump has been obstructing the investigation.

The idiocy of the whole thing is how obviously partisan the GOP-Partisans have come in order to defend their brand over the Republic.
 

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Their strategy is simple: if the dems actually impeach, Trump will be compelled to testify - he can't wiggle out of it.

Eventually, Trump will lie about something or other, and they can nab him on a Perjury charge - just like the republicans did with Bill Clinton.

This shows how truly desperate they are.
 

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For people who are only interested in doing things for self-interest, anyone acting in service of something other than self-interest is incomprehensible.
 

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Their strategy is simple: if the dems actually impeach, Trump will be compelled to testify - he can't wiggle out of it.

Eventually, Trump will lie about something or other, and they can nab him on a Perjury charge - just like the republicans did with Bill Clinton.

This shows how truly desperate they are.
Were the Republicans, then, desperate to impeach Clinton because they had to set up a perjury trap?

Nixon's impeachment articles included obstruction charges because he refused to comply with Congressional subpoena, and Trump has done far more of that then Nixon ever did.
 

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Censure of the President would of been a better option and probably of gotten more bipartisan support. If the House does impeach the senate could easily prolong their process into primary season. This would put Warren and Sanders at a real disadvantage. While they’re sitting in the Senate hearing testimony Biden will be the sole front runner on the campaign trail. The conspiracy theorist in me says that was the Democratic establishment plan the whole time to tilt the primaries in Biden’s favor.
 

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For people who are only interested in doing things for self-interest, anyone acting in service of something other than self-interest is incomprehensible.
Yeah, not a single Democrat has any interest in advancing themselves. :lamo
 

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Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.
Well that certainly sounds like the right wing propaganda but it is certainly far from the truth.

Trump is guilty as sin but that doesn't really matter because senate republicans are terrified of trumps base. They will make up all kinds of reasons to turn him loose

America will get to hold him accountable next November
 

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We'll see. The testimony thus far has been very consistent.
It has been overwhelmingly consistent. EVERY single witness has testified they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo. I don't understand why that is so hard to follow.

The idiocy of the whole thing is how obviously partisan the GOP-Partisans have come in order to defend their brand over the Republic.
In case you haven't been watching, The GOP isn't bringing impeachment, the Democrats are. Since the Democrats can't convince one Republican of these phony allegations, Republicans are being partisan?

Talk about irony.
 

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It has been overwhelmingly consistent. EVERY single witness has testified they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo. I don't understand why that is so hard to follow.



In case you haven't been watching, The GOP isn't bringing impeachment, the Democrats are. Since the Democrats can't convince one Republican of these phony allegations, Republicans are being partisan?

Talk about irony.
Impeachment was brought because there was considerable testimony that indicated that abuse of powers had occurred and required an inquiry. The Republicans ARE being partisan because they have done nothing but fall into defense mode and won't even try to get to the bottom of the inquiry.
 

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Well that certainly sounds like the right wing propaganda but it is certainly far from the truth.
Fine, then pick one claim out and deny it with proof. I noticed you couldn't do that.

Trump is guilty as sin but that doesn't really matter because senate republicans are terrified of trumps base.
The testimony speaks for itself. But I noticed you didn't want to go down that lane.

They will make up all kinds of reasons to turn him loose

America will get to hold him accountable next November
Just in case you aren't keeping score here are a few items you should get familiar with.

1. Trump has raised over 350 million in donations with over 63% of those from voters under $200 and we still have a year to go. The largest amount in presidential donations in history was 149 million for Obama.

2. The DNC is bankrupt with 8 million on hand and 20 million in debt while the RNC has over 80 million in cash on hand

3. All Democrat candidates combined in total donations aren't even 1/3 total to Trumps.

Voters are already making it clear. You should catch up
 

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It has been overwhelmingly consistent. EVERY single witness has testified they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo. I don't understand why that is so hard to follow.



In case you haven't been watching, The GOP isn't bringing impeachment, the Democrats are. Since the Democrats can't convince one Republican of these phony allegations, Republicans are being partisan?

Talk about irony.
Opinions vary!

That certainly sounds.like Hannity's talking points
 

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Impeachment was brought because there was considerable testimony that indicated that abuse of powers had occurred and required an inquiry. The Republicans ARE being partisan because they have done nothing but fall into defense mode and won't even try to get to the bottom of the inquiry.
Republican have DEMANDED to have witnesses testify and Schiff has denied these witnesses. Every witness brought forward has denied any knowledge of a crime. That isn't defense mode, its called show me the proof mode which hasn't happened since this began.

Now you want to flip this on Republicans backs? I don't think so. Democrats are bringing the impeachment claims, not Republicans and they will have to provide the evidence to prove it. Just because they can't and can't provide a single witness to verify their story doesn't make Republicans partisan, it make Democrats liars.
 

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Republican have DEMANDED to have witnesses testify and Schiff has denied these witnesses. Every witness brought forward has denied any knowledge of a crime. That isn't defense mode, its called show me the proof mode which hasn't happened since this began.

Now you want to flip this on Republicans backs? I don't think so. Democrats are bringing the impeachment claims, not Republicans and they will have to provide the evidence to prove it. Just because they can't and can't provide a single witness to verify their story doesn't make Republicans partisan, it make Democrats liars.
Trump's obstruction is preventing individuals who may have more direct knowledge from testifying. If we could get Trump and Giuliani on the stand, and the papers that were subpoenaed released, we might be able to get some more information on it.

There's no "flipping this on Republicans backs", Republicans have been in Brand-Protection mode since day 1.
 

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I'm guessing Pelosi has the votes or she wouldn't vote....now the question is how many votes does Pelosi have?
 

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Trump's obstruction is preventing individuals who may have more direct knowledge from testifying. If we could get Trump and Giuliani on the stand, and the papers that were subpoenaed released, we might be able to get some more information on it.

There's no "flipping this on Republicans backs", Republicans have been in Brand-Protection mode since day 1.
When did demanding Democrats provide a single witness that can testify to something other than their presumptions become partisan brand protection mode?
Sounds more like a convenient excuse for not being able to provide such.
 

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Their strategy is simple: if the dems actually impeach, Trump will be compelled to testify - he can't wiggle out of it.

Eventually, Trump will lie about something or other, and they can nab him on a Perjury charge - just like the republicans did with Bill Clinton.

This shows how truly desperate they are.
Except Clinton did have sex with that woman.
 

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Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.
IMO, not only dumb enough, but desperate enough.
 

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When did demanding Democrats provide a single witness that can testify to something other than their presumptions become partisan brand protection mode?
Sounds more like a convenient excuse for not being able to provide such.
They tried to provide eye-witnesses. Trump won't let them testify.

Trump says he wants to have them testify at a Senate trial.

If they can exonerate him, why not save the country all this impeachment bull and nip this in the inquiry stage? Or is Trump holding out for political purposes?
 

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They tried to provide eye-witnesses. Trump won't let them testify.

Trump says he wants to have them testify at a Senate trial.

If they can exonerate him, why not save the country all this impeachment bull and nip this in the inquiry stage? Or is Trump holding out for political purposes?
If you don't have the evidence, and all you have is witnesses who testify to what they presume happened, and you refuse to allow Republican witnesses, and you refuse to allow representation for the accused, and you still move forward with an Impeachment, its on you.

Trump or any other president are not going to play games with Impeachment. Schiff wants to have it his way or no way. It doesn't work that way. When you hold Schiff accountable for his partisan actions in this process, then you can start to hold everyone else accountable.
 

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Thread title: Are Democrats Dumb Enough to Actually Vote For Impeachment

Now there is a loaded question, propagandist thread title if I ever saw one.
 

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Any right winger declaring there's no evidence without reading the House report is just a pathetic hypocrite burying their head in the sand.
 
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