Are American Income Taxes Too High When Compared To Canada?

[humbolt]

The squalls that roared through here last night means we are all wearing heavy sweaters today just to keep warm!

Autumn went to the same place common sense did, I guess. Which do you think might reappear first? My bet is on Mother Nature! :mrgreen:

That deserves more than just one "like".

 

[Quag]

You can see any doctor you like in a timely manner, regardless of insurance. You may just have to pay out of pocket.

I find it so confusing that Europeans and Canadians are so gung-ho about their public health plans when they sound so dreadful.

And if you cant pay for the doctor? If you need 6 months of Chemo and have no insurance or its your 3rd round and they refuse to pay anymore and you aren't rich?
I find it amusing that Americans think our system is so dreadful when their system seems so awful.

 

[KevinKohler]

You can' rely on charity and charity is not a solution to the issue and doesn't solve the outrageous costs of U.S. healthcare.

Neither does socializing it.

 

[Campbell]

Well let's start this list that proves it's much cheaper: Wikipedia,, OECD, The Guardian (WHO), Huntington Post (Includes other statistics that prove how the U.S. is outrageous). I dare you to find a source that says healthcare is cheaper in the U.S..

I can also go to the hospital in the city closet to me and get a cancer test done if I really wanted to. I don't know why you would be going to an oncologist right out of the blue or any specialist for that matter. Where there are waiting times they are prioritized by need.

Don't hold your breath...one thing they despise is facts.

 

[Carjosse]

Neither does socializing it.

YEs it does, it solves the issue it allows better negotiation of costs because instead of negotiating between one company and one person you have an entire state/country negotiating which means you have more power to ask for lower prices and better quality.

 

[KevinKohler]

YEs it does, it solves the issue it allows better negotiation of costs because instead of negotiating between one company and one person you have an entire state/country negotiating which means you have more power to ask for lower prices and better quality.

Which results in tiny little problems like rare procedures not being done anymore. If not the US, where would the few Canadians go who DO need specific treatment found in this country?

Furthermore, not saying its right, but, high healthcare costs in the US funds the majority of medical research the rest of the world enjoys.

 

[Campbell]

Which results in tiny little problems like rare procedures not being done anymore. If not the US, where would the few Canadians go who DO need specific treatment found in this country?

Furthermore, not saying its right, but, high healthcare costs in the US funds the majority of medical research the rest of the world enjoys.

I guess that justifies the millions which were killed or wounded when we bombed others half way around the world. This country has become a self-appointed policeman and bully of everyone else on the planet. Name another country which arbitrarily doesn't like what someone else is doing and goes hog wild with their weapons. Our military costs more and is superior to the next thirteen most powerful countries in the world and every time somebody wants to cut defense they are bad mouthed and ostracized.

Here is a list(alphabetically) of the countries bombed by the United States since the end of the Second World War:


Afghanistan 1998, 2001-
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69 Indonesia 1958
Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-2000s
Iran 1987
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986, 2011
Nicaragua 1980s Pakistan 2003, 2006-
Palestine 2010
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-
Sudan 1998
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002, 2009-
Yugoslavia 1999

GET A GRIP AMERICA!

 

[KevinKohler]

I guess that justifies the millions which were killed or wounded when we bombed others half way around the world. This country has become a self-appointed policeman and bully of everyone else on the planet. Name another country which arbitrarily doesn't like what someone else is doing and goes hog wild with their weapons. Our military costs more and is superior to the next thirteen most powerful countries in the world and every time somebody wants to cut defense they are bad mouthed and ostracized.

Here is a list(alphabetically) of the countries bombed by the United States since the end of the Second World War:


Afghanistan 1998, 2001-
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69 Indonesia 1958
Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-2000s
Iran 1987
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986, 2011
Nicaragua 1980s Pakistan 2003, 2006-
Palestine 2010
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-
Sudan 1998
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002, 2009-
Yugoslavia 1999

GET A GRIP AMERICA!

The majority of workers in the military industrial complex are union works. They get paid good money to build those bombs. Why are you so anti union?

 

[Campbell]

The majority of workers in the military industrial complex are union works. They get paid good money to build those bombs. Why are you so anti union?

Anti-Union..............I was a member of the Oil, Chemical and Atomic workers union, OCAW, local 9-288 in the 1950's when they were forming a middle class in this country. I was a Republican when Dwight Eisenhower warned the nation of the dangers of a military/industrial complex. Don't try to **** me because you're dealing with somebody a whole lot smarter than you plus my knowledge which spans nearly eight decades.

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube

 

[KevinKohler]

Anti-Union..............I was a member of the Oil, Chemical and Atomic workers union, OCAW, local 9-288 in the 1950's when they were forming a middle class in this country. I was a Republican when Dwight Eisenhower warned the nation of the dangers of a military/industrial complex. Don't try to **** me because you're dealing with somebody a whole lot smarter than you plus my knowledge which spans nearly eight decades.

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube

Then stop threatening the livelihoods of good union workers.


Or accep that was is big business in this country, backed politically by unions, who put, at least in part, the people in office who work to maintain the status quo.

 

[Carjosse]

Which results in tiny little problems like rare procedures not being done anymore. If not the US, where would the few Canadians go who DO need specific treatment found in this country?

Furthermore, not saying its right, but, high healthcare costs in the US funds the majority of medical research the rest of the world enjoys.

We do some rare procedures it's just you have 10x the number of people to do so. America's medical research capabilities stem form the fact you have more researchers and scientists working on this than any other country. No what we would be doing is negotiating costs not writing a blind cheque like it is now. Universal healthcare is capitalistic price reduction through competition at it's finest.

 

[Harshaw]

I am very curious because I hear Americans complain about tax rates all the time especially those from California, but when I compare it to Canada it seems even those in California pay much less when compared to us. Quebec is also the most taxed place in North America. I find this rather odd since U.S. states are responsible for much more than Canadian provinces but collect less tax and there is no such thing as equalization payments in the U.S.. We also have much higher sales taxes with all provinces except Alberta having 10% or higher sales tax rate, Quebec has the highest at 14.975%. I would also like to let you know our public services like education and healthcare are of all high quality in every province with little discrepancy. Here is a calculator. Alberta is our lowest tax province (most of the time) with it's flat 10% tax and Quebec is the highest.

Note: These are solely income tax, no Pension Plan deductions or EI payments included.

So what? It's not graded on a curve.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am very curious because I hear Americans complain about tax rates all the time especially those from California, but when I compare it to Canada it seems even those in California pay much less when compared to us. Quebec is also the most taxed place in North America. I find this rather odd since U.S. states are responsible for much more than Canadian provinces but collect less tax and there is no such thing as equalization payments in the U.S.. We also have much higher sales taxes with all provinces except Alberta having 10% or higher sales tax rate, Quebec has the highest at 14.975%. I would also like to let you know our public services like education and healthcare are of all high quality in every province with little discrepancy. Here is a calculator. Alberta is our lowest tax province (most of the time) with it's flat 10% tax and Quebec is the highest.

Note: These are solely income tax, no Pension Plan deductions or EI payments included.

TAXES ARE too high on productive people and too low on those who demand more and more government

 

[Campbell]

TAXES ARE too high on productive people and too low on those who demand more and more government

LMAO!!! that is just about the dumbest goddam remark I've ever seen or heard:

 

[TurtleDude]

LMAO!!! that is just about the dumbest goddam remark I've ever seen or heard:

of course it is-socialists think the rich should be taxed at 80 percent or higher

your moronic chart has no relevance to my comment

 

[Mach]

They are less ludicrous than your healthcare costs, considering our taxes pay for hell of a lot more and we spend less on healthcare than the U.S..

Based on what...your emotions? If they are paying significantly more in taxes....and anyone earning a lot certainly is (what..10%-15% more of their entire income!?), that far exceeds any healthcare costs that person pays in the U.S. Again, ludicrous is based on some unknown context against some as yet undeclared data that you're keeping secret apparently. If you make $1M a year, it's ludicrously less expensive for better healthcare, taxing taxation into account,.....and that's top U.S. healthcare. ****, I could fly to Mayo Clinic for physicals and it would still be cheaper than an extra 15% tax on my entire income. Good grief.

 

[Dapper Andy]

This is patently not true considering all the Medicare patients in the US who are having problems finding a doctor who'll accept the lower levels of payments under Medicare, let alone be able to schedule an appointment.

Anyone can see a doctor with minimal wait time regardless of insurance in the United States. They just may have to pay out of pocket afterwards.

 

[Dapper Andy]

We do have plenty but world rankings generally overlook them sure we do not have Oxford or Harvard but our schools are good none the less and most are internationally recognized. We can also afford university.

How can they be both internationally overlooked and recognized at the same time?

:roll:

Not only can we afford to go to universities but we can afford to go to BETTER universities.

 

[Quag]

Canada does have top notch Universities
QS World University Rankings by Subject 2012 - Medicine | Top Universities
And at bargain basement prices compared to the USA

*edit* that's just medical here is an overall list, Canada still places pretty well In fact the top two University just switch places
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2012

 

[Carjosse]

How can they be both internationally overlooked and recognized at the same time?

:roll:

Not only can we afford to go to universities but we can afford to go to BETTER universities.

Well they recognized by educational institutions not by the ranking people. Americans can't afford university without substantial student debt it is not affordable. 20th is still pretty good considering there is almost 500 universities on the rankings. THough bascially if you graduate form MIT you are not going an advantage over someone from the University of Toronto at least here in Canada.

 

[Dapper Andy]

Well they recognized by educational institutions not by the ranking people. Americans can't afford university without substantial student debt it is not affordable. 20th is still pretty good considering there is almost 500 universities on the rankings. THough bascially if you graduate form MIT you are not going an advantage over someone from the University of Toronto at least here in Canada.

Do you have any proof that "educational institutions" recognize Canadian universities?

Graduates of MIT do indeed have an advantage over UT grads. As I pointed out, it's not just how infrequent Canadian universities actually make the lists but where they're actually ranked. Toronto is ranked similarly to University of Texas and while both are good schools no one would consider either in the same class as Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc.

 

[Carjosse]

Do you have any proof that "educational institutions" recognize Canadian universities?

Graduates of MIT do indeed have an advantage over UT grads. As I pointed out, it's not just how infrequent Canadian universities actually make the lists but where they're actually ranked. Toronto is ranked similarly to University of Texas and while both are good schools no one would consider either in the same class as Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc.

Mainly what those universities offer is connections not vastly improved educational quality.

 

[imagep]

Yes the Canada Pension Plan is basically like U.S. Social Security but the government can't use the money.

So what does the government do with the money? Put in in burlap bags and bury it in the frozen tundra? Or is it an even more direct ponzi scheme where they don't have any trust fund and they just pay the money out at the same rate that it comes in?

 

[imagep]

TAXES ARE too high on productive people and too low on those who demand more and more government

How do you know? Did you read that on the internet or something?

 

[Carjosse]

So what does the government do with the money? Put in in burlap bags and bury it in the frozen tundra? Or is it an even more direct ponzi scheme where they don't have any trust fund and they just pay the money out at the same rate that it comes in?

I'm not really sure how it works I just know it's more secure than American S.S. but I believe they invest or has something to do with pegging to inflation. I have a total of about 50$ in it so.

Edit: I looked into it The Canadian Pension Plan Board is a crown corporation that reports to the federal government, and they basically invest it as they see fit and performance is measured on how profitable they are. Quebec has their own and pensions are technically provincial responsibility but no province besides Quebec wants their own.