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[yobarnacle]

Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
"We hold these rights to be self evident, LIFE, LIBERTY, and PURSUIT of HAPINESS"

Apparently the not yet born have no right to LIFE.

I believe anyone wanting abortion should receive it, retroactive one generation.
That's a hideous thing to say.

That's a hideous thing to say.

Not really.

For the good of the gene pool, shouldn't unmotherly mothers with no sense of affection for their unborn be eliminated?

You SHOULD realize this and previous post were tongue in cheek, but killing the mother is NOT more horrible than killing the infant! Both are horrible

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I was referring to these rationalizations: That abortion deliberately extinguishes a human life and that it doesn't matter.

And I was referring to your use of the word "rationalization" to describe the arguments of people disagree with you. Why do you insist on calling them rationalizations when they are not?

 

[Scrabaholic]

any bill that could "possibly" close 37 of the 42 facilities providing safe, legal abortions in Texas is just stupid and not about rights/safety or anything else people try to say its about.

I don't for a minute believe that it's about a concern for women's health, the sole reason for it is to force clinics to close.

They should have stuck with the 20-22 week window and left it at that, honest, logical bills like that could actually work. The medical standards are already fine and not to be legislated in this fashion.

Wouldn't that go against RvW?

 

[minnie616]

"We hold these rights to be self evident, LIFE, LIBERTY, and PURSUIT of HAPINESS"

Apparently the not yet born have no right to LIFE.

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You are correct

Roe vs Wade decided against the fetal right to life augment.
Here are three of the key points in their decision.:

Three key points:

A fetus in not a PERSON under U.S. law.
Persons have rights under the Constitution, and it is clear that the authors of the Constitution and its amendments did not regard fetuses as persons.
In order to say that fetuses are persons under U.S. law, the Constitution would have to be amended to say so. Therefore the intentional killing of a fetus does not have same legal status as the killing of a person.

States can create laws to protect citizens from harmful practices, and it can ban medical procedures that are harmful. When abortion was initially banned by most states, it was a dangerous procedure. Medically, it is now safer than childbirth. Therefore there is no longer a good reason for states to ban it as a medical practice.

Since 1891, the U.S. has recognized a right to privacy in some "zones" of activity, which means that individuals can make decisions and act upon them without informing other people and without state interference. (Example: Your discussions with your lawyer are private and confidential.) The court has previously recognized that adult women have a privacy right when it comes to contraception and reproduction.



Conclusion: Because fetuses are not legally protected and abortion is a safe medical procedure protected by privacy rights, adult women have the right to receive an abortion in the first six months of pregnancy, and states can only interfere where the interference is appropriate to the woman's health.

Roe v Wade - edited text

 

[Slyfox696]

See Post #161 above: One of the issues is about the killing. Or not. Very important in a state known for its executions, including tonight's: Dallas woman becomes Texas' 500th execution - Houston Chronicle

I can't imagine it'd be too difficult to separate the issues out.

 

[Linc]

No one wants abortion. No teachers want to see their students get pregnant accidentally, see the anguish and pain both families go through along with administrators, clergy and all, and see the girl not be pregnant a few months later. I am a man. This troubles me terribly. Do you want social engineering to prevent pregnancies? Will you stop them from having unprotected sex?

Why not focus on helping the pregnant come to term with baby with pre-natal care so both are healthy, possibly even being housed and raised and schooled and earning, and certainly with adoption if that is the case? How many Einsteins and Newtons have been aborted which would otherwise not have happened during those times? Will our Creator replenish these brains?

 

[nota bene]

And I was referring to your use of the word "rationalization" to describe the arguments of people disagree with you. Why do you insist on calling them rationalizations when they are not?

Why do you insist on denying facts? The unborn are human and in existence. And killing humans always matters.

 

[nota bene]

Texas Idiocracy Round 2 coming up. Perry is a determined fanatic...indeed.

More extremism. More radicalism. More oppression. More discrimination. More Misogyny.

More hyperbole too. :roll:

 

[nota bene]

And by the way, the Senators will be voting--not the Governor.

 

[Removable Mind]

More hyperbole too. :roll:

Not if you live in Texas. Our Texas government is more radical than my list, by far.

 

[yobarnacle]

How about teaching from a very young age, self control, and judging the difference between right and wrong.

There was a revolution in morals in this country about 1968. Almost en mass, society adopted the ethics of the criminals. "Do anything you want EXCEPT, don't be a snitch!"

Now look where we are!

 

[Removable Mind]

And by the way, the Senators will be voting--not the Governor.

Perry controls when special sessions will be held...and what they are being held for...period. He's got a loaded gun in both chambers.

 

[Removable Mind]

I don't for a minute believe that it's about a concern for women's health, the sole reason for it is to force clinics to close.


Wouldn't that go against RvW?

Scrab...this whole thing conjured up by Perry and his idiotic henchmen...aren't going to set themselves up for a fight over conditions of Roe v. Wade.

There entire strategy is built around the qualifications of an abortion clinic. They've made them so stringent...that 90 percent of the current clinics. can't meet the new qualifications.

This gig is going on in 6 other states.

So...go after the clinical facilities by requiring the to have the same regulations as a full-blown hospital...dance around viability age as a legal distraction (because they don't care about the 20 week thing anyway)...and ultimately women just won't have any place to go to get an abortion in Texas.

It's clever...but I believe that this dishonest crockery that's going on...will wind up in the S.C...just like they want it to, but I don't think it will be a victory for these jerks, control freaks, religious nuts...etc. who are trying to bully women anyway that they can.

I do hope that women stand up to the asses over the next few major elections.

 

[lizzie]

No one wants abortion. No teachers want to see their students get pregnant accidentally, see the anguish and pain both families go through along with administrators, clergy and all, and see the girl not be pregnant a few months later. I am a man. This troubles me terribly. Do you want social engineering to prevent pregnancies? Will you stop them from having unprotected sex?

For no one to be wanting an abortion, there certainly plenty of people doing what creates the need for it. If they really didn't want abortion, they would make sure they didn't end up pregnant. I'm pro-choice, but to say that nobody wants it either means that a lot of people are stupid, or that they want the option, and are willing to take their chances. That doesn't seem very smart to me. If you REALLY don't want an abortion, you avoid getting pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy. And yes, I realize that birth control isn't 100% effective, but it's pretty damn close, if you are smart enough to use it correctly.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)I don't for a minute believe that it's about a concern for women's health, the sole reason for it is to force clinics to close.





Wouldn't that go against RvW?

1.) of course not, nobody honest would
2.) yes it would and it would lose against SCOTUS but my point was at least that would be honest and its something i would support if SCOTUS wanted to change it.

 

[Linc]

Many high school girls are not smart enough. Or maybe I should say the two guys who got her drunk could care less. She made a bad choice. Or maybe the sports jock's family didn't mind paying the freight but she was too scared to ask for protection. Then they're back at it in the hallway, grinding on each other every period. I've seen too many of these in too many years in too many ways.

This is an issue where there is no half-way. The fetus either becomes a baby or it doesn't. I prefer to be pro-adoption with whatever help is needed to get to the finish line. As soon as you start talking protection, the wing-nuts fly off that thread also.

For no one to be wanting an abortion, there certainly plenty of people doing what creates the need for it. If they really didn't want abortion, they would make sure they didn't end up pregnant. I'm pro-choice, but to say that nobody wants it either means that a lot of people are stupid, or that they want the option, and are willing to take their chances. That doesn't seem very smart to me. If you REALLY don't want an abortion, you avoid getting pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy. And yes, I realize that birth control isn't 100% effective, but it's pretty damn close, if you are smart enough to use it correctly.

 

[nota bene]

The issue here is that when the fillibuster procedurally failed at the 11th hour, rowdy citizens disrupted the vote. By 3 minutes, they kept the Senators from doing their jobs. "Chaos," to quote many MSM outlets. A special session is required for three separate issues now, not just the abortion providers issue.

The Texas Senate needs to finish its business. I hope they vote the will of their constituents, whatever that will is.

 

[Linc]

What are you and the rest of America willing to do to help the fetus become a human being living outside of the womb? Conservatives believe they should not need to help pregnant females since they should all have the same high morals they do. Zero lily-white girls of wealthy white Republicans get knocked up by the football stud and come down with a 2-3 week case of "mono", right?

Why do you insist on denying facts? The unborn are human and in existence. And killing humans always matters.

 

[AGENT J]

Why do you insist on denying facts? The unborn are human and in existence. And killing humans always matters.

what "facts" have been denied?
seems like another made up dishonest fantasy to me

 

[Removable Mind]

The issue here is that when the fillibuster procedurally failed at the 11th hour, rowdy citizens disrupted the vote. By 3 minutes, they kept the Senators from doing their jobs. "Chaos," to quote many MSM outlets. A special session is required for three separate issues now, not just the abortion providers issue.

The Texas Senate needs to finish its business. I hope they vote the will of their constituents, whatever that will is.

Why do I not believe you when you say, "I hope they vote the will of their constituents, whatever that will is."??????

If the will of the people turns out not agreeing with your beliefs...you, Jay, Henrin, David and a few others will be outraged.

What these control freaks in the legislation is doing...will come back to bite them in the ass.

 

[Gina]

I agree.
We can change our future and the future of generations to come by being pro active and striving for fewer unwanted pregnancies and unwanted children.
Less unwanted pregnancies would mean less abortions.
And the best way reduce and prevent unwanted pregnancies is a goof proof , inexpensive type of birth control with little or no side effects.

I was really pleased with the outcome of that study I posted. Given the long term option, women will choose it. That kind of program should be implemented around the country.

 

[nota bene]

Why do I not believe you when you say, "I hope they vote the will of their constituents, whatever that will is."??????

If the will of the people turns out not agreeing with your beliefs...you, Jay, Henrin, David and a few others will be outraged.

What these control freaks in the legislation is doing...will come back to bite them in the ass.

First, hyperbole, and now character assassination. I support the rule of law and also of parliamentary procedure, which my posts in this thread have made clear. Whatever your position is on any issue, the time comes when your candidate or idea is defeated. You win some; you lose some, and if you lose and it matters, you keep up the good fight.

And if you're a grownup, you don't shriek and make hysterical, ultra-exaggerated, generalized claims.

Meanwhile, a plurality of Americans do NOT approve of second-trimester abortions.

Americans (Narrowly) Support 20-Week Abortion Ban - NationalJournal.com

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

It's government stepping in and telling people what they can do with their own bodies

Yes, if you want to blatantly overlook the fact they recognize a second life in the equation, it's the government stepping in and telling someone what they can do with their body. But such an assessment would be inherently dishonest, because they view the matter as an issue of protecting the child within the womb.

and, again, you don't need to agree with the position to recognize it

It's exactly the type of big government Republicans claim to hate.

right, along with laws against murder and manslaughter ...

That is honesty.

No, honesty plays no part in your claim.

 

[Removable Mind]

First, hyperbole, and now character assassination. I support the rule of law and also of parliamentary procedure, which my posts in this thread have made clear. Whatever your position is on any issue, the time comes when your candidate or idea is defeated. You win some; you lose some, and if you lose and it matters, you keep up the good fight.

And if you're a grownup, you don't shriek and make hysterical, ultra-exaggerated, generalized claims.

Meanwhile, a plurality of Americans do NOT approve of second-trimester abortions.

Americans (Narrowly) Support 20-Week Abortion Ban - NationalJournal.com

My, my, my Ms. Bene...talk about character assassination! If I'm a grown up?.. Don't shriek, make hysterical and generalized exaggerations....looks who's calling the kettle black.

 

[nota bene]

My, my, my Ms. Bene...talk about character assassination! If I'm a grown up?.. Don't shriek, make hysterical and generalized exaggerations....looks who's calling the kettle black.

I guess you recognized yourself. I certainly didn't identify you. Go back and reread and see if you can identify the universal, theoretical "you."