Day after day I watch this aweful war and all day long I see videos coming out of Ukraine telling me I have to fight Russia.
We must start WW3.
Starting world war 3 means DC and NYC get nuked. They leave this part out.
Now, I can understand Zelensky and his people making these pleas but the public does not understand the implications.
Day after day Zelensky is televised chastising Germany, prodding the USA, demanding Isreal change their stance....
This is working for him. The America population, let's call them bobbleheads, want to do a no fly zone.
The bobbleheads are ready to start Ww3 to protect Ukraine. Is this wise? **** no.
We must always do what is best for the greatest numbers.
Now, I see a really scary eventuality unfolding. The drum beat is now" if putin uses nukes or chemicals..."
Clue, Putin will use both if he needs to and frankly, as horrible and sad as that is, I don't wants hundreds of millions killed, starting with NYC and DC .
ENOUGH with enabling Ww3 though our media. It needs to stop.
Enough is enough, no more pro war propaganda from Ukraine.
That stance seems to imply that any ‘super power’ nation (with nuclear weapons capability) can take over and/or destroy another ‘neutral’ nation’s territory provided that they do so using conventional military force.
Yes, and it quite unfortunately happens to be true. This is the problem with the ‘nuclear club’ - they’re empowered to act exactly as you described and not suffer consequences within their own homeland. It’s a great gig, if you can score it.That stance seems to imply that any ‘super power’ nation (with nuclear weapons capability) can take over and/or destroy another ‘neutral’ nation’s territory provided that they do so using conventional military force.
Our red line is clear. It should not change.
Ukraine was never a red line for the kind of hot war we are talking about.
IF nato is attacked, it is ww3. Goodbye NYC.
Yes, and it quite unfortunately happens to be true. This is the problem with the ‘nuclear club’ - they’re empowered to act exactly as you described and not suffer consequences within their own homeland. It’s a great gig, if you can score it.
That stance seems to imply that any ‘super power’ nation (with nuclear weapons capability) can take over and/or destroy another ‘neutral’ nation’s territory provided that they do so using conventional military force.
While the ship has sailed for drawing that line at a land invasion of Ukraine, I don't see why we couldn't clearly communicate that the use of biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons by Russia in Ukraine would be a red line.Our red line is clear. It should not change.
Ukraine was never a red line for the kind of hot war we are talking about.
That stance seems to imply that any ‘super power’ nation (with nuclear weapons capability) can take over and/or destroy another ‘neutral’ nation’s territory provided that they do so using conventional military force.
OK, but what ‘red line’ got the US military involved in UAE, Iraq or Syria?
Day after day I watch this aweful war and all day long I see videos coming out of Ukraine telling me I have to fight Russia.
We must start WW3.
Starting world war 3 means DC and NYC get nuked. They leave this part out.
Now, I can understand Zelensky and his people making these pleas but the public does not understand the implications.
Day after day Zelensky is televised chastising Germany, prodding the USA, demanding Isreal change their stance....
This is working for him. The America population, let's call them bobbleheads, want to do a no fly zone.
The bobbleheads are ready to start Ww3 to protect Ukraine. Is this wise? **** no.
We must always do what is best for the greatest numbers.
Now, I see a really scary eventuality unfolding. The drum beat is now" if putin uses nukes or chemicals..."
Clue, Putin will use both if he needs to and frankly, as horrible and sad as that is, I don't wants hundreds of millions killed, starting with NYC and DC .
ENOUGH with enabling Ww3 though our media. It needs to stop.
Enough is enough, no more pro war propaganda from Ukraine.
While the ship has sailed for drawing that line at a land invasion of Ukraine, I don't see why we couldn't clearly communicate that the use of biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons by Russia in Ukraine would be a red line.
I'm pretty sympathetic to @ttwtt78640's position. I think the only way to stop nuclear powers (including the US) from engaging in that type of behavior is for enough of the rest of the world to make it clear that that type of behavior is unacceptable and won't be tolerated. I agree with @noonereal's point that Americans are really excited for a no fly zone and don't seem to realize what that would entail. I think so far NATO and the rest of the world has responded pretty responsibly once the crisis began. We definitely could have done more before hand to either better prepare Ukraine or acted more quickly to incorporate them into NATO, but it's a bit late now.
For now we should keep providing Ukraine with everything they need to defend themselves, but we should make it clear to Russia that turning to nuclear weapons would be a red line.
You are saying he will do these things anyway and cannot be deterred. By that logic even being in NATO won't deter him. So what if he threatens Latvia in the same way? And Poland?Understand. PUTIN will use chemicals and if Ukraine still has not fallen he will use strategic nukes.
So your new red line only means we say goodbye to NYC.
Do you understand this?
You seem to think Putin can be deterred. Your premise is wrong. Putin is taking Ukraine and ending civilization if that is what it takes.
You are saying he will do these things anyway and cannot be deterred. By that logic even being in NATO won't deter him. So what if he threatens Latvia in the same way? And Poland?
If the threat of nukes doesn't deter him and he is dead set on expanding any line is a line that will be crossed. So why not draw that line at Ukraine?
Are you suggesting that the world sit back and allow this? Do you seriously think Putin will stop at Ukraine?Understand. PUTIN will use chemicals and if Ukraine still has not fallen he will use strategic nukes.
So your new red line only means we say goodbye to NYC.
Do you understand this?
You seem to think Putin can be deterred. Your premise is wrong. Putin is taking Ukraine and ending civilization if that is what it takes.
Day after day I watch this aweful war and all day long I see videos coming out of Ukraine telling me I have to fight Russia.
We must start WW3.
Starting world war 3 means DC and NYC get nuked. They leave this part out.
Now, I can understand Zelensky and his people making these pleas but the public does not understand the implications.
Day after day Zelensky is televised chastising Germany, prodding the USA, demanding Isreal change their stance....
This is working for him. The America population, let's call them bobbleheads, want to do a no fly zone.
The bobbleheads are ready to start Ww3 to protect Ukraine. Is this wise? **** no.
We must always do what is best for the greatest numbers.
Now, I see a really scary eventuality unfolding. The drum beat is now" if putin uses nukes or chemicals..."
Clue, Putin will use both if he needs to and frankly, as horrible and sad as that is, I don't wants hundreds of millions killed, starting with NYC and DC .
ENOUGH with enabling Ww3 though our media. It needs to stop.
Enough is enough, no more pro war propaganda from Ukraine.
You are saying he will do these things anyway and cannot be deterred. By that logic even being in NATO won't deter him. So what if he threatens Latvia in the same way? And Poland?
If the threat of nukes doesn't deter him and he is dead set on expanding any line is a line that will be crossed. So why not draw that line at Ukraine?
I don't see much or any of what you're claiming is so common, but let's imagine that we're in an alternate universe for a moment and pretend that is.
I assume you're also opposed to anyone in the West providing weapons to Ukraine, because that could also provoke Russia to use nukes if it results in Ukraine successfully defending itself.
So let's pretend we totally sat on our hands and did nothing, and when Ukraine falls, Putin moves on to Poland? Still no response? How about Germany? Or if the fight just continues to go poorly for Putin in Ukraine and he decides to use chemical weapons or even a tactical nuke or two, still nothing?
Are you willing to draw any line? Maybe between British Columbia and Washington, perhaps? Not even there? As long as there's zero chance of NYC getting nuked?
Another alarmingly poorly thought through post.
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