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Any body else feel out numbered

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Any body else feel out numbered? it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right when some of the problems are due to the left too. it is just a little unfair that all a conservitive has is fox
 
Any body else feel out numbered? it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right when some of the problems are due to the left too. it is just a little unfair that all a conservitive has is fox

Err... posts on these boards? They are highly right wing partisan lol. There are far more threads here attacking Obama than anything else.. heck almost every thread that is started turns into a bash Obama thread these days.

As for the media, the US media I do see (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS) is hardly "going after the right".. they are reporting the news, and that happens to be often including the loony right wing. Not their fault that the right has considerable about of nut jobs that go around saying and doing stupid things. What should they do.. not report it like Fox News? And it is not like they are not reporting on the issues on the left either...
 
I can't imagine why there may be more posts criticizing Obama these days. Couldn't possibly be the same reason there were just as many posts criticizing Bush a year ago.
 
I can't imagine why there may be more posts criticizing Obama these days. Couldn't possibly be the same reason there were just as many posts criticizing Bush a year ago.

Psst the president is a walking taregt. LOL
 
Psst the president is a walking taregt. LOL

Espeically when he tries to force the country down a path most of its citizens are adamently against.

His approval was 70 percent on day one. His actions and policies alone are what dropped it down to 50 or worse.
 
Any body else feel out numbered? it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right when some of the problems are due to the left too. it is just a little unfair that all a conservitive has is fox

Lou Dobbs??:roll:

Please... with the exception of a few loose cannons MSM is right of center moderate. Yes, MSM is a little more tolerant on social issues (abortion, gay rights) but on major fiscal/economic issues--these are fortune 500, multi-national media corps were talking about... THINK!

Call me when they give noam chomsky a prime time show.

The problems is far-rights are so far from center, they have a distorted view of what 'center' really is. Policies that are pragmatic and practical are seen as 'liberal' or leftist.

I love that interview with 9-12 Tea Party folk on Czars. When they finally understood what a Czar is and does--they were like, yeah, that's sounds okay. It's when people get too much Beck-Hannity spin in their heads, their perspective on reality is all screwed up.

No, you're not out numbered. You just have to better define center.
 
Any body else feel out numbered? it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right when some of the problems are due to the left too. it is just a little unfair that all a conservitive has is fox

Welcome to the reality of the American news media.

If you have just recognized this recently, then you must be new to the political scene. The liberal bias in the main stream media has been around for a good 30 years, and unfortunately, it continues moving farther to the left every year.

So to answer your question, "yes" as a conservative I have felt outnumbered for several years. Also keep in mind, that Fox News has only been around for about 12 years or so. Before that, it was all liberal, all the time.

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Any body else feel out numbered? it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right when some of the problems are due to the left too. it is just a little unfair that all a conservitive has is fox

Believe it or not, but I can relate although from the other side of the spectrum. Living in northern Alabam, a very conservative state, I don't get any liberal talk radio here. So, it's just Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the kook Marc Levin. (His screaming tyraids drive me crazy!!)

It's not that I hate Conservative talk radio. I don't mind listening to what the other side has to say whether I agree with their view point or not. It's just that I'd like to also hear what the liberal slant is in the political spectrum as well. I guess it kinda balances out, though...Dems hold a majority in TV, the Reps have talk radio. But to me, talk radio kinda has an advantage only because their message can be heard for upwards of 8-12 hours per day continuously while unless you remain glued to CNN/MSNBC, etc., you only get brief snipits of the "liberal media elite" and it's only what their editors/publishers want put out there.

So, from my perspective we share the same problem on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
 
You"re a great american!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
Lou Dobbs??:roll:

Please... with the exception of a few loose cannons MSM is right of center moderate.

LMMFAO!

This from a guy that just stood up for a phony story that Media Matters concocted to attack Fox and Glenn Beck. lolololol

A person that's so totally blinded by their political ideology, as you've demonstrated yourself to be, isn't capable of judging when a water bottle is filled, much less the media's political leaning.


Yes, MSM is a little more tolerant on social issues (abortion, gay rights) but on major fiscal/economic issues--these are fortune 500, multi-national media corps were talking about... THINK!

There she blows......

About 5 or 6 years ago, George Soros and the people he had running Media Matters, realized that more and more people were waking up to just how biased the MSM was. They knew they had to stop as many people as they could from discovering just how liberal the media was, by finding a way to convince them that the media actually has a conservative bias.

That was no easy task. They had to find a logical way to convince people that the liberal bias they were seeing with their own two eyes, couldn't possibly exist... And that's how "The Corporate Media" was born.

The idea behind the "corporate media" scam, was to get people to believe that since huge multi million dollar corporations owned all the major media outlets, and since liberals are the enemy to big business, it would be against their own financial interests to allow their media companies to promote a liberal political agenda.

The way the corporate media scam works, is by steering the conversation or focus, away from the liberal bias that people have seen, heard, or witnessed from the main stream media. They want to get people to stop evaluating bias based on their presentation, and instead get them to evaluate bias using "greedy corporate CEO" angle. The premise is, that the media couldn't possibly have a liberal bias, because it doesn't make sense on a corporate level... What does make sense logically, is that the media has a conservative bias, because promoting conservatives means less regulations and more profit.

If you've ever in your life clearly witnesses something happen, and then had someone explain in great detail, making perfect logical sense, how you couldn't have possibly seen what you claimed to have, until you finally concede that they must be right, even though you still can't discredit what you saw...

That is exactly how the "Corporate Media" scam works... Or should I say how it was supposed to work. What ended up happening is, the only people that fell for the "Corporate Media" scam, were the people on the far left who were desperate for anything that they could use to justify their distorted perspective.


The problems is far-rights are so far from center, they have a distorted view of what 'center' really is. Policies that are pragmatic and practical are seen as 'liberal' or leftist.

Sure... That's it. Were all demented by partisanship... but you see things clearly... lololol

Then I guess all the professors, as well as all the people in the political science departments of Columbia University and UCLA are all far right kooks too, for publishing studies that determined conclusively that the media in America had a very distinct liberal bias?

In fact, that would mean that every person involved in every single credible study published on media bias over the last 20 years, are also far right ideologues.

That sounds plausible.

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the news

LOL!

for the prez to be successful he needs to produce a positive headline, instead of daily developments like acorn, van jones, cass sunstein, john holdren, mark lloyd, health care going nowhere, townhalls, cap and trade, the march on washington, clunkers not paying its bills, gates and crowley in cambridge, racism, obama telling critics to shut up, the white house asking neighbors to rat each other out, 7 cia chiefs advising the president to drop his political prosecution of langley, yanking missile d for putin while getting nothing in return, charlie rangel, the admin's adjustment of its own deficit projections two trillion dollars in the wrong direction, afghanistan, mcchrystal's leaked assessment, obama's deer-in-the-headlights non-reaction to iran's stolen election, geithner and summers going on sunday talks to suggest raising taxes on the middle class, the drying up of CA's central valley, the failed stimuli, AIG bonuses, unemployment near 10%, axelrod's ties to AKPD, waxman's probe into the private affairs of 52 insurance companies, the dissing of israel and the forcing of the knesset to go it alone, obama's international apology tour, the monopolization of student loans, the trade war with china, the secret deal with pharma...
 
I mostly feel outnumbered because I'm not American... but I do see the partisan hackery and it's not very pleasant.

American media isn't becoming more leftist, there are simply a couple of networks positioning themselves on the far right and claiming everyone else is far left. In reality, most networks are closer to the centre. Fox is a good example of a far right news station whose franchise exists on the premise that most other networks are far left and they are the voice of reason.
 
Do I feel outnumbered? Of course I do!

THere is just one of me and six billion of you.
 
I mostly feel outnumbered because I'm not American... but I do see the partisan hackery and it's not very pleasant.

American media isn't becoming more leftist, there are simply a couple of networks positioning themselves on the far right and claiming everyone else is far left. In reality, most networks are closer to the centre. Fox is a good example of a far right news station whose franchise exists on the premise that most other networks are far left and they are the voice of reason.
The media tends to have a pro-corporate and pro-cultural liberal bias(the two go together.). This is true for basically all stations, even Fox although they balance it with some vaguely rightwing talking points. Fox is hardly far-right, it is corporate-right.

Any views outside this corporate-liberal spectrum are neglected by the MSM. This is true not just for the US but Britain and Australia, at least, as well.
 
You're going to find that most people will tell you that the media is biased against their viewpoints and is just a tool of the [opposition party]. What Wessexman said is probably closest to the real truth (such as it may be).
 
The media tends to have a pro-corporate and pro-cultural liberal bias(the two go together.). This is true for basically all stations, even Fox although they balance it with some vaguely rightwing talking points. Fox is hardly far-right, it is corporate-right.

Any views outside this corporate-liberal spectrum are neglected by the MSM. This is true not just for the US but Britain and Australia, at least, as well.

I see the distinction you're making, but that's mostly what I was alluding to.

Corporate media is about profits above all else and so its style must be at least left of centre in order to appear open to all audiences. Fox has its own niche market which it engages via its pundits, but it too is part of the corporate establishment. Still, its dialogue caters mostly to the right, making it right oriented in my mind.

Anyway... as you succinctly put it, the corporate media still only caters to a defined spectrum. It's the main reason why I never watch television news, because you get so little.
 
I feel outnumbered when I trash both left wing and right wing radio and tv commentators with their shouting, clown acts, and ridiculously flashy intros (it's as if Michael Bay created some of this crap, especially on FOX News, sweet Jesus christ). But I find I have more of a haven in PBS and C-SPAN, when I am not reading.

To me, I think there are too many Americans who enjoy these pure media-savvy folks pretending to be politically significant and insightful with their daily television and radio spots followed up with the yearly incoherent rambling placed in the printed word.

But no, you are not alone. There is enough Obama bashing going around, but even recent stuff like the whole "Dislike Obama=racism?" narrative spreading, I wanted to hide from the television.

Call me when they give noam chomsky a prime time show.

I don't really know if that is a political decision so much as a media decision. The man, even to me, is far too monotonous (with a strong tendency to elaborate for lengthy amounts of time). Perhaps you could throw him on as regular commentator on some television spot for a few minutes here or there, but anything more than that and people will not listen. He is better to be absorbed through the printed word.
 
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I see the distinction you're making, but that's mostly what I was alluding to.

Corporate media is about profits above all else and so its style must be at least left of centre in order to appear open to all audiences. Fox has its own niche market which it engages via its pundits, but it too is part of the corporate establishment. Still, its dialogue caters mostly to the right, making it right oriented in my mind.

Anyway... as you succinctly put it, the corporate media still only caters to a defined spectrum. It's the main reason why I never watch television news, because you get so little.
I don't think the corporate media has to cater to cultural liberalism due to the audience, there are plenty of social conservatives out there but it is in its nature to do this for various reasons including the key one of the links between corporate-capitalism/consumerism and cultural liberalism.

Fox itself still largely caters to a corporate and subtlety cultural-liberal viewpoint. You will rarely get much out and out traditionalism or social conservatism from Fox news, you will however get viewpoints more in tune with the rightwing, neoliberal end of the corporate spectrum as opposed to the more keynesian, social liberal end.
 
... it seems like most posts and news stations are always attacking the right ...

Could be because "the right" is wrong and their ridiculous ideas are an easy target for the majority of sensible people.

But of course that would have to assume that most people are sensible enough to find "the right" ridiculous, and assuming that most people are sensible is admittedly quite a stretch.
 
Could be because "the right" is wrong and their ridiculous ideas are an easy target for the majority of sensible people.

But of course that would have to assume that most people are sensible enough to find "the right" ridiculous, and assuming that most people are sensible is admittedly quite a stretch.


Such adoration and respect for your fellow man warms my heart. :roll:


j-mac
 
Err... posts on these boards? They are highly right wing partisan lol. There are far more threads here attacking Obama than anything else.. heck almost every thread that is started turns into a bash Obama thread these days.

As for the media, the US media I do see (CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS) is hardly "going after the right".. they are reporting the news, and that happens to be often including the loony right wing. Not their fault that the right has considerable about of nut jobs that go around saying and doing stupid things. What should they do.. not report it like Fox News? And it is not like they are not reporting on the issues on the left either...
The partisan hackery in this post is so biased and illogical, it perfectly demonstrates the mind of the left.
 
The media isn't liberal. That is just a fantasy born of a victim complex and unrealistc expectations. Namely, for some reason conservatives like envisioning themselves as persecuted when it comes to the media and they expect any moderate news channel to be something comparable to FOX. What they don't compute is that FOX is 100% off the reservation, so you can't judge a credible news source in relation to it.

The only hypothesis which really pins the media is that they are sensationalist. That's the only theory which consistently enables anyone to explain its currents and trends. And if the media is sensationalist, then by definition it can't be liberal or conservative -- because then it would have to sacrifice profits for the sake of ideology.
 
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sure, sure, sensationalism...

like john edwards, fathering a love child, chased by the national enquirer (LOL!) into a hotel bathroom and holding the door handle closed, saying "you can't come in, you can't come in," while the poor paparazzi is left on the other side, tugging

sensationalism

like van jones accusing whites of doing columbines and polluting people-of-color communities, after signing some truther document

like acorn working its corrupt butts off trying to set up a pimp and a prositute in some bogus home buyership so the pervert pair can import prepubescent girls and boys, for all we know, from honduras, or some such, to service mark foley types

like sandy berger, hiding classified docs in his underpants, then taking them across the street to some construction site, returning later and destroying them

all ignored by the sensationalists looking for profit

meanwhile, sanford---now, HE's sensational!

foley

the foot tapping senator from idaho

john mccain's rumored affair with a lobbyist---not true, but front page of the grey lady, anyway

sure, sensationalism, that explains everything

NOT politics

LOL!
 
The media isn't liberal. That is just a fantasy born of a victim complex and unrealistc expectations. Namely, for some reason conservatives like envisioning themselves as persecuted when it comes to the media and they expect any moderate news channel to be something comparable to FOX. What they don't compute is that FOX is 100% off the reservation, so you can't judge a credible news source in relation to it.

The only hypothesis which really pins the media is that they are sensationalist. That's the only theory which consistently enables anyone to explain its currents and trends. And if the media is sensationalist, then by definition it can't be liberal or conservative -- because then it would have to sacrifice profits for the sake of ideology.
No, one can see a definite cultural-liberal bias and corporate bias in the MSM.
 
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