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Anti-Paul add appears on Fox already

Redress said:
No, that is not what I said, I was referring to his support amongst libertarians and Paulbots. And I was exaggerating. It might be as high as 1 or 2 %.
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correction - you were trolling.

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iguanaman said:
Iraq will only be e problem for Jeb who continues to support the ill-fated invasion. No one else has to worry.
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she is in a debate, millions of young people will hear Rand Paul criticize her for helping to get us in Iraq. they will see Rand beat her bosnia lie over her head. "why did you lie about sniper fire Hillary. and if you lied about that, why won't you lie in the future"

hey, she might win, but at what cost. young people will see through your crap, and the democratic party will suffer for it.
 
ARealConservative said:
she is in a debate, millions of young people will hear Rand Paul criticize her for helping to get us in Iraq. they will see Rand beat her bosnia lie over her head. "why did you lie about sniper fire Hillary. and if you lied about that, why won't you lie in the future"

hey, she might win, but at what cost. young people will see through your crap, and the democratic party will suffer for it.
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I'm afraid that GW bush has desensitized us to lying by politicians. Trumpeting a white lie like that Bosnia thing would be more likey to hurt Paul. Let's face it nothing compares to invading a country for non-existent WMD's that you swore you knew were there. We aren't getting those 4000 lives and 2 trillion dollars back either.
 
iguanaman said:
I'm afraid that GW bush has desensitized us to lying by politicians. Trumpeting a white lie like that Bosnia thing would be more likey to hurt Paul. Let's face it nothing compares to invading a country for non-existent WMD's that you swore you knew were there.
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well, we know what opinions are like, but the fact is, independents currently favor Rand Paul by a pretty large margin. you can hope it is because independents are ignorant...but that is another opinion.
 
Redress said:
They do not decide primaries, and that is the first election he has to win.
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Paul actually has a shot at New Hampshire. We have a lot of libertarians up here (your favorite) and his father had a lot of broad appeal in the state. Rand is a better candidate than his father. I could see him taking NH.
 
Removable Mind said:
I know this is about Rand, but please indulge me just a little bit.

If one spends enough time thoroughly researching what Ron Paul and Rand Paul truly believe about our system of government, domestic, and foreign policies. Those beliefs will make one take pause and try to piece together how their ideologies would work if they were actually used to recreate our government along with our domestic and foreign policies...to meet their beliefs, their vision of how our government should exist.

Ron Paul's district included a portion of the county in Texas in which I reside. I attended a U.T. speech made by Ron Paul about this time 3 years ago.

He said things like:

"We will 'end the war-making', 'end the fed', 'end the war on drugs', 'end crony capitalism,' etc."

But if you want to hear what he actually said you'll have to invest about 20 minutes of your time.



So what's this have to do with what Rand Paul beliefs? Pretty much everything. Let's just say that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Now, I don't subscribe to everything the Paul's believe. But some of what they say is pretty damn interesting.

However...

I just don't know how these things would ever become a reality when so many of their ideas are "anti-establishment". Fighting Congress/MIC is one major obstacle. But fighting special interests and Da Corporations is another obstacle that, to me, is the "mother obstacle of all obstacles".

Oh, and never, ever forget one thing. The Pauls are hardcore politicians. Need I say more?
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Keep thinking. The alternative to libertarian ideas is a 50 trillion dollar debt or more in the not too distant future and over 100 trillion dollars in unfunded future liabilities for government social programs, an ever growing crony capitalist system operated on bribery, a federal government so large and intrusive that individual rights will cease to exist and an America in never ending foreign wars and the sacrificing of the blood of our youth and whatever treasure we have left.

We are the neo-Roman Empire. Do we learn nothing from history? BIG corrupt government, ungodly debt and their never ending military interventionism is what brought down Rome.
 
TheHammer said:
Keep thinking. The alternative to libertarian ideas is a 50 trillion dollar debt or more in the not too distant future and over 100 trillion dollars in unfunded future liabilities for government social programs, an ever growing crony capitalist system operated on bribery, a federal government so large and intrusive that individual rights will cease to exist and an America in never ending foreign wars and the sacrificing of the blood of our youth and whatever treasure we have left.

We are the neo-Roman Empire. Do we learn nothing from history? BIG corrupt government, ungodly debt and their never ending military interventionism is what brought down Rome.
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I'm betting that you and I won't be around to see a 50 trillion dollar debt.

The corruption started over 230 years ago. In fact, everything you just stated in your post that we see manifesting before our eyes - will just have to play itself out. Why? The Libertarian ideology won't penetrate the standing ideologies and their respective powers inside the Washington mainframe. In other words - no Libertarian president can break the power barriers held the Democrats or Republicans or even the bureaucrats and MIC. But most importantly the special interests who run the show in the shadows won't allow the isolationist, tax reforming, anti-military Party to take root.

Most people have never made a true inspection of what The Libertarian party's core beliefs are. While a few of the Libertarian planks and platforms would be appealing and supported by some Jane and John Doe Americans - many others wouldn't be embraced.

Keep in mind that even though it's not stated directly in the Constitution - there is a 4th branch of government. It's called "We the People". It appears that the 4th branch has allowed itself to be been systematically reduced to performers in a dog and pony show, which is maintained to keep up the illusion that it still has a significant role. The behind the scene money brokers' job begin in shaping the government that they want to exist at the primaries. Party names are of no consequence to these folks. Only loyalty matters. To make a long story short. Apparently, without being conscious of the fact, "We the People" has surrendered our power base role in government significantly over the past dozen decades.

We simply have a self-will-run-riot government that doesn't fear the voters.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh I bet that leads to a presidency
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Oddly enough many Fox contributors have been really hard on Paul. Hume, Krauthammer, Rove.....the Washington Insiders. But even more surprising is while the media is raking him through the coals, he has taken the lead in Iowa and other places. And the other part of the news for today is just about all the GOP candidates are polling ahead of Hillary.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-clinton-down-2016-presidential-poll-133940057.html
 
Removable Mind said:
Most people have never made a true inspection of what The Libertarian party's core beliefs are. While a few of the Libertarian planks and platforms would be appealing and supported by some Jane and John Doe Americans - many others wouldn't be embraced.
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Nobody has to belong to the Libertarian Party to be a true libertarian. Simply being honestly loyal to the principles of the Bill Of Rights identifies someone as a libertarian.

Keep in mind that even though it's not stated directly in the Constitution - there is a 4th branch of government. It's called "We the People". It appears that the 4th branch has allowed itself to be been systematically reduced to performers in a dog and pony show, which is maintained to keep up the illusion that it still has a significant role. The behind the scene money brokers' job begin in shaping the government that they want to exist at the primaries. Party names are of no consequence to these folks. Only loyalty matters. To make a long story short. Apparently, without being conscious of the fact, "We the People" has surrendered our power base role in government significantly over the past dozen decades.

We simply have a self-will-run-riot government that doesn't fear the voters.
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Revolution is an earthly norm. The only questions about it is when it will happen and will it be peaceful or bloody.

Jefferson explained the latter. “The tree of liberty must be nourished from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants, tis a natural manure..”
 
Kobie said:
I wouldn't vote for him (or any Republican) if you put a gun to my head; that said, he will definitely rattle the cage of the GOP establishment and there ain't nothing wrong with that.
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Should make for a semi-interesting Republican candidates debate. Wonder, though, if the networks will give him 2 minutes time to speak like they did with his dad?
 
Wiggen said:
I'm almost tempted, but then I read about one of his loony positions - such as the one on vaccinations of children - and I change my mind.

Rand Paul doubles down on vaccine stance - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

He's just another right wing loon.
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He said vaccines should be voluntary (which they are for the most part) but that it is a good idea to get them. Don't really get how supporting the status quo is "loony."

In all honesty, though, I think he should have kept his mouth shut on that issue. By now he should know how the media will distort what is said.
 
Geoist said:
He said vaccines should be voluntary (which they are for the most part) but that it is a good idea to get them. Don't really get how supporting the status quo is "loony."

In all honesty, though, I think he should have kept his mouth shut on that issue. By now he should know how the media will distort what is said.
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Well, he said a good deal more than that. He sided with the loons who claim vaccinations cause autism - a fact not supported by any reputable medical authority in the world. Meanwhile, we're having outbreaks of childhood diseases that were pretty well extinct before the loons got heard.

But nice try in defending the indefensible.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, he said a good deal more than that. He sided with the loons who claim vaccinations cause autism - a fact not supported by any reputable medical authority in the world. Meanwhile, we're having outbreaks of childhood diseases that were pretty well extinct before the loons got heard.
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Do you have a quote of him saying vaccinations cause autism?


But nice try in defending the indefensible.
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What are you accusing me of defending?
 
Geoist said:
Should make for a semi-interesting Republican candidates debate. Wonder, though, if the networks will give him 2 minutes time to speak like they did with his dad?
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Senator Paul is not a marginal candidate. He'll receive significant speaking time during the debates.
 
shrubnose said:
Rand Paul is one of the few people on the right who I would think about voting for next year.
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He is the only one that would get me to the polls. Looks like I won't be voting next year.
 
Redress said:
Are independents going to get him the nomination? In case you where wondering, the answer is no.
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I'd also offer some amount of skepticism about the voting habits of those independents. A real phenomenon that happened was because a group of ordinarily-Republican voters became so disillusioned with the Party, they embraced the Independent label, whilst identifying with the Tea Party.

Now, what has occurred in benefit to Rand is that he offers some positions which thrust aside the expected Republican-Democrat divide. Whether or not that will stick once they keep in mind his other positions or perhaps those other positions do not matter because people may tend to see what they like rather than comprehend what they would not.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'd also offer some amount of skepticism about the voting habits of those independents. A real phenomenon that happened was because a group of ordinarily-Republican voters became so disillusioned with the Party, they embraced the Independent label, whilst identifying with the Tea Party.

Now, what has occurred in benefit to Rand is that he offers some positions which thrust aside the expected Republican-Democrat divide. Whether or not that will stick once they keep in mind his other positions or perhaps those other positions do not matter because people may tend to see what they like rather than comprehend what they would not.
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The other thing is that the general is no loner so much won by independents and swing voters, not nearly as much as in the past. The last two elections have featured huge amounts of money spent on get out the vote campaigns, arranging transportation for and educating voters on where to vote, and things like that. The current thinking seems to be it is as important or maybe moreso to get your voters to the polls over persuading voters. Both campaigns reportedly had demographic information down to the street level in swing states, targeting efforts to get people out to vote in favorable areas.
 
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