Another Win For Socialism

[apdst]

Did you have enough to eat? Who was paying for that? Because many kids don't have enough to eat. What about a house? Because many kids don't have that either.

And who was paying for your school? Did you have health care growing up? Vaccinations? Who was paying for all that?

No, you didn't do it all yourself. Sorry to break the news.

My folks got off their asses and went to work.

 

[ataraxia]

My folks got off their asses and went to work.

So are you saying that in this last great recession, when tens of millions of Americans were losing their jobs, their houses, their businesses, etc... it was because they all of a sudden decided to become lazy and stupid and your solution would have been for them to get off their asses and go to work?

 

[apdst]

So are you saying that in this last great recession, when tens of millions of Americans were losing their jobs, their houses, their businesses, etc... it was because they all of a sudden decided to become lazy and stupid and your solution would have been for them to get off their asses and go to work?

If you want to call someome stupid for buying a half-a-million dollar home, on a $40 thousand a year salary, sure.

 

[ataraxia]

If you want to call someome stupid for buying a half-a-million dollar home, on a $40 thousand a year salary, sure.

So you are saying that's the reason people were losing their jobs in the recession, and recessions are not just part of the natural market cycle in a free market?

 

[Winston]

I just did. Don't start moving the goal post, because you're wrong.

If you want to think the Democrats are socialists, fine by me. But, anyone who has taken a high school history class knows that they are not. The Democrats are WAY too far to the right for any real leftists.

That's the Democrats biggest problem. They've moved too far to the right.

 

[apdst]

If you want to think the Democrats are socialists, fine by me. But, anyone who has taken a high school history class knows that they are not. The Democrats are WAY too far to the right for any real leftists.

That's the Democrats biggest problem. They've moved too far to the right.

More denial. Do you support wealth redistribution? Progressive tax rates?

 

[apdst]

So you are saying that's the reason people were losing their jobs in the recession, and recessions are not just part of the natural market cycle in a free market?

The bursting of the housing bubble caused the recession.

 

[ataraxia]

The bursting of the housing bubble caused the recession.

OK. But recessions happen all the time. Is your explanation for all of them that people just decide once in a while to become lazy and stupid? And if they get sick at the same time they just lost their job, the price should be death for them and widowhood and orphanage and homelessness for their whole family? That'll teach'em not to be so lazy next time?

 

[Chomsky]

Heh.

Six pages of argument that could easily be resolved with a quick glance at Merriam's ...

 

[Winston]

More denial. Do you support wealth redistribution? Progressive tax rates?

I know where you're going with this. I think the empirical data is there to support Keynes in the Laffer v. Keynes debate. I think Ronald Reagan was one of the most catastrophic things to happen to the middle class. And we haven't yet been able to undo the damage that the Tax Act of '81 did.

But, the question is, "Do you support cutting government agency?" Because if you do, then you support wealth redistribution from the middle class to the wealthy.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

So are you saying that in this last great recession, when tens of millions of Americans were losing their jobs, their houses, their businesses, etc... it was because they all of a sudden decided to become lazy and stupid and your solution would have been for them to get off their asses and go to work?

If anything, the liberals shouldn't have passed the ruinous legislation that forced banks to loan money to people who they knew couldn't repay.

Most people are 2 paychecks away from being homeless as is, don't take on responsibilities like children or a mortgage if you truly cannot afford them.

 

[Henrin]

If you want to think the Democrats are socialists, fine by me. But, anyone who has taken a high school history class knows that they are not. The Democrats are WAY too far to the right for any real leftists.

That's the Democrats biggest problem. They've moved too far to the right.

If democrats are right wing then I must not even be on the chart.

 

[Henrin]

There are no pure capitalist countries in the world. And it's not because they are too dumb and stupid.

The closest we ever got to pure capitalism was the US and wester Europe in the gilded age: when you had industrialists which were making more than the entire GDP of entire nations, while employing kids as young as 8 to work 80 hour weeks in their factories- and the kids still didn't have enough to eat. And left free and alone, it was only getting worse, not better. The only thing that stopped the trend were child labor laws, workplace safety laws, minimum wage laws, and other sensible regulations. And that's where the hybrid economic system started, and has stayed with us.

So no, the general is NOT that a more a country leans toward socialism, the worse it gets.

That doesn't really work though since even during that time government was giving business favors and messing with the market. Kind of random, but do you who pushed for the federal reserve idea originally? Answer: Business.

 

[Winston]

If democrats are right wing then I must not even be on the chart.

Trump supporters are major right wingers. Trump himself, shows evidence of being another right wing corporatist, like most Republicans nowadays. the Trump economy is ran by Goldman Sachs and Big Oil. But, Trump holds some very wacky nationalistic positions. Such as his views on NATO, China, the EU, the Wall, the Muslim ban. His positions on these issues reverse decades of international treaties put in place to establish peace after WW2. His worldview, if implemented would bring us back to American isolationism pre-WW1. But, Trump doesn't comprehend foreign policy or international politics. I don't think he's researched any of his positions. I think he's just spitballing ideas like he were in a board room meeting.

Anyway, Not many people are truly principled in government any more. Bernie Sanders is truly principled. Rand Paul is truly principled. But, most of our government eat their ideology for private industry wants and needs. Including the Democrats. No matter how hard Bill O'Reilly tries to Red Bait them and resurrect animosity left over from McCarthyism.. It's just not based in reality. If you're to point to Obamacare as a socialist program.. that makes Mitt Romney a socialist too.

 

[YorkshirePete]

Want to lose some unwanted pounds? Just turn to socialism.

I bet the socialist elite are fat and sassy though. In a socialist system, the elite are the only ones that benefit while the people suffer. The main goal of the leftists here in the US, make the people suffer. By Joe we'll have top notch healthcare though and free Obamaphones. LOL

Yes, the people of Venezuela are literally starving to death « Hot Air

Let me guess, an old white fart sucking of his socialist VA, SS and medicare benefits. You do know genius that obamphones were way before Obama? Just spewing? That uppity nzzzzz on the WH with more brains in his pinky than our genius herewas really irritating wasn't he

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If democrats are right wing then I must not even be on the chart.

I know right, classical liberal here. The left used to defend free speech, now that's a conservative position. The Democrats haven't moved right, progressives have moved so far left they cannot even be called liberal anymore.

 

[apdst]

I know where you're going with this. I think the empirical data is there to support Keynes in the Laffer v. Keynes debate. I think Ronald Reagan was one of the most catastrophic things to happen to the middle class. And we haven't yet been able to undo the damage that the Tax Act of '81 did.

But, the question is, "Do you support cutting government agency?" Because if you do, then you support wealth redistribution from the middle class to the wealthy.

IOW, you do support communist ideas. Thanks for for being honest, in a round-about way.

 

[YorkshirePete]

If anything, the liberals shouldn't have passed the ruinous legislation that forced banks to loan money to people who they knew couldn't repay.

Most people are 2 paychecks away from being homeless as is, don't take on responsibilities like children or a mortgage if you truly cannot afford them.

Might help If you knew the def of liberal. Liber = free. Didn't take Latin in college?

 

[Winston]

IOW, you do support communist ideas. Thanks for for being honest, in a round-about way.

I identify with the Nordic system of democratic socialism. The Democrats don't. the Democrats would've rather lost to Donny Tiny Hands Trump than won with Bernie Sanders.

 

[YorkshirePete]

I know right, classical liberal here. The left used to defend free speech, now that's a conservative position. The Democrats haven't moved right, progressives have moved so far left they cannot even be called liberal anymore.

Congrats, one out of 1000 here who actually knows the def of classical liberal. For the individual and small gov amazing how ,many just spew "liberal" sort of like Benghazi Benghazi

 

[YorkshirePete]

IOW, you do support communist ideas. Thanks for for being honest, in a round-about way.

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpie said

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Might help If you knew the def of liberal. Liber = free. Didn't take Latin in college?

First of all, no I did not. Second of all, nothing in the quoted post reflects a lack of understanding on the meaning of the term.

Thirdly, just because something is in a name does not make it so. Modern liberals are not classical liberals, they do not favor freedom, in fact they argue against it (example, 2nd Amendment)

Educate yourself before you presume to pose irrelevant questions to me, newbie.

Congrats, one out of 1000 here who actually knows the def of classical liberal. For the individual and small gov amazing how ,many just spew "liberal" sort of like Benghazi Benghazi

You literally just accused me of the opposite 2 posts earlier. You have ZERO credibility.

Stop trying to condescend before you've paid your dues here.

 

[Winston]

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpie said

Trump really said that?

 

[DamnYankee]

Let me guess, an old white fart sucking of his socialist VA, SS and medicare benefits. You do know genius that obamphones were way before Obama? Just spewing? That uppity nzzzzz on the WH with more brains in his pinky than our genius herewas really irritating wasn't he

ROTFL. Nah, I retired earlier than most. I'm far too young for SS or medicare. Obamaphones I use as a metaphor instead of naming off the list of freebies leftists demand. Your third sentence is unintelligible.

 

[ataraxia]

If anything, the liberals shouldn't have passed the ruinous legislation that forced banks to loan money to people who they knew couldn't repay.

Most people are 2 paychecks away from being homeless as is, don't take on responsibilities like children or a mortgage if you truly cannot afford them.

I am not talking about just the last recession. I am talking about recessions in general. Are you saying that anyone who hits hard times, like economic recessions in general, does so because they are stupid and lazy and it's their own fault and they should be left to die until they learn their lesson? Or would it be a gentler, more humane society if there were some safety nets so people do not have to face dire situations no human being should have to face until they can get back on their feet?