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Another day, another drug raid fatality

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[h=1]Another day, another drug raid fatality[/h]
Another day, another drug raid fatality - The Washington Post

A deputy shot and killed an unarmed man while attempting to serve a narcotics search warrant in Deltona, according to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office.
Investigators said deputies were entering the home on Maybrook Drive when Derek Cruice, 26, allegedly advanced on a member of the SWAT team around 6:30 a.m. Wednesday.
“Volusia County Sheriff’s Office narcotics investigators and the Street Crimes Unit were attempting to serve a search warrant at a residence. They were met with resistance and a shooting occurred,” Volusia County Sheriff Ben Johnson said.
A deputy shot Cruice in the face right in the doorway, investigators said.



so dude wearing nothing but basketball shorts is shot in the face for "Advancing" on the officers?


Another needless fatality all too common these days with warrior cops over non-violent drug offenses.


These should be as rare as school shootings, yet we here multiple new stories every day. It's sick, we need reform.

It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation.


I agree, Weed, should not be a death sentence.
 

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No drug should be a death sentence by police. If people want to OD or use, let them but not in public and not while driving or operating a vehicle.

On the opposite side, we need police to stop shooting people first and deciding later if it was warranted. Standards of police officers themselves, mentally and physically, and training need to be updated. We have to move away from being a police state where force is abused.
 

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so dude wearing nothing but basketball shorts is shot in the face for "Advancing" on the officers?
Another needless fatality all too common these days with warrior cops over non-violent drug offenses. These should be as rare as school shootings, yet we here multiple new stories every day. It's sick, we need reform.
I agree, Weed, should not be a death sentence. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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This nonsense absolutely has to stop. Meeting non-violence with extreme violence is inherently unethical. The thing they shot him in the face for is legal in 4 states and medicine in 23 others, and our past 3 presidents have copped to taking it themselves.
 

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"Knock Knock, mother ****er. We're here to protect you from yourself."

This nonsense absolutely has to stop. Meeting non-violence with extreme violence is inherently unethical. The thing they shot him in the face for is legal in 4 states and medicine in 23 others, and our past 3 presidents have copped to taking it themselves.

Nope, what he was shot for was "advancing toward police". Under the circumstances that seems to be simply making any attempt to exit the building during a "raid". Since fear generates a (natural?) fight or flight reflex action it seems that either (natural?) reaction can be justification for use of deadly force.
 

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Nope, what he was shot for was "advancing toward police". Under the circumstances that seems to be simply making any attempt to exit the building during a "raid". Since fear generates a (natural?) fight or flight reflex action it seems that either (natural?) reaction can be justification for use of deadly force.



The others in the house contradict the officers account. given he was wearing nothing but basketball shorts, and was in the doorway, the shot to the face was unwarranted.
 

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The others in the house contradict the officers account. given he was wearing nothing but basketball shorts, and was in the doorway, the shot to the face was unwarranted.

That leads me to believe that the officer, firing the shot, was outside the doorway and the "victim" was trying to pass through the doorway which is then moving toward the officer. Are you asserting that the "victim" was simply standing there? My point is that simply trying to flee is not a threat.
 

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Nope, what he was shot for was "advancing toward police". Under the circumstances that seems to be simply making any attempt to exit the building during a "raid". Since fear generates a (natural?) fight or flight reflex action it seems that either (natural?) reaction can be justification for use of deadly force.
Take a step or two back in this scenario. Was a SWAT raid warranted to begin with?

Even ignoring the "he said she said" contradiction, it could also be argued that the dead person would still be alive if the police had worked smarter instead of harder from the very beginning. AND, if he really were doing the things he is accused of doing, they'd still have him in custody facing charges.
 

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That leads me to believe that the officer, firing the shot, was outside the doorway and the "victim" was trying to pass through the doorway which is then moving toward the officer. Are you asserting that the "victim" was simply standing there? My point is that simply trying to flee is not a threat.



or he heard a noise and went to open the door. all the police say is "aggressive action"..


everyone at the house who witnessed it says otherwise.


More importantly, it seems this is another case where not but for the actions of the police choosing to be wannabe warriors, a young man would not be face shot dead today.

It was weed. why not wait unit he comes out?

Why not arrest him elsewhere and serve the warrant?

Why not knock, and wait for him to open the door?

So many better ways this could have been handled, and it's not an isolated case, but something we hear about almost daily.
 

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Ahhh, read the OP and poor, poor drug dealers. Here's a clue, don't deal drugs. It may cost you your life.
 

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Take a step or two back in this scenario. Was a SWAT raid warranted to begin with?

Even ignoring the "he said she said" contradiction, it could also be argued that the dead person would still be alive if the police had worked smarter instead of harder from the very beginning. AND, if he really were doing the things he is accused of doing, they'd still have him in custody facing charges.

No. IMHO, SWAT raids should be limited to violent felonies in progress just like citizens arrests or civilian use of deadly force.
 

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once again absolving the police of overly brutal responses to crimes the warrant is for.

Here's a MArine that died from a botched raid, he had no drugs, and the cops lied about what happened.

Jose Guerena Killed: Arizona Cops Shoot Former Marine In Botched Pot Raid

What advice do you have for his situation?
Cops don't lie. Any. Ever. Not one. Didn't you know that?

And even if/when they do, we're sure the person was a scumbag for something and deserved this for the other stuff they got away with.
...or for stuff they were going to do when they got older.
 

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once again absolving the police of overly brutal responses to crimes the warrant is for.


Here's a MArine that died from a botched raid, he had no drugs, and the cops lied about what happened.

Jose Guerena Killed: Arizona Cops Shoot Former Marine In Botched Pot Raid


What advice do you have for his situation?

Maybe the old standby, don't shoot at the police, they always have more ammo? Duh, poor example. I'd have thought you at least would have dug up the rare time when the person being raided was innocent and didn't act like Rambo.

Quite simple really, back to the OP, these young luminaries KNEW what the consequences might be when they started dealing drugs. Like all young idiots they thought it couldn't happen to them. They're like gamblers who stand at the craps table expecting to win, delusional.

Again, don't deal drugs and your life tends to be police free.
 

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Maybe the old standby, don't shoot at the police, they always have more ammo? Duh, poor example. I'd have thought you at least would have dug up the rare time when the person being raided was innocent and didn't act like Rambo.


he was innocent, he was protecting his family. The cops lied, not only did he NOT SHOOT, they had to admit he had the safety on.


Quite simple really, back to the OP, these young luminaries KNEW what the consequences might be when they started dealing drugs. Like all young idiots they thought it couldn't happen to them. They're like gamblers who stand at the craps table expecting to win, delusional.

Again, don't deal drugs and your life tends to be police free.


Are the police ever responsible for their actions to you? EVER?


Do you believe such force is appropriate for the warrant served?
 

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There's at least one thread on that incident where you and I have thoroughly discussed the event. Using it as fodder for your silly argument about these drug dealers is not working.



yeah, smart not to touch that one. lmao


again, do cops ever do wrong?

I find it sad that you expect the untrained victims to act and do a certain way while absolving the suposedly "highly trained" cops of any wrong doing, ever.
 

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he was innocent, he was protecting his family. The cops lied, not only did he NOT SHOOT, they had to admit he had the safety on.

Are the police ever responsible for their actions to you? EVER?


Do you believe such force is appropriate for the warrant served?

As the SWAT team forced its way into his home, Guerena, a former Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq, armed himself with his AR-15 rifle and told his wife and son to hide in a closet. As the officers entered, Guerena confronted them from the far end of a long, dark hallway. The police opened fire, releasing more than 70 rounds in about 7 seconds, at least 60 of which struck Guerena. He was pronounced dead a little over an hour later.

The police are ALWAYS responsible for their actions. Just as the drug dealer in the OP is.

Which situation? The one from the OP?, don't really know, we have almost no real information in that sob story of an article. The distraction - the one about the Marine? Unless they were not shouting, "police!" he should have never gone for the AR15, that was just dumb as dirt. If he really thought they were home invaders he was especially an idiot for having the safety on.
 

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yeah, smart not to touch that one. lmao


again, do cops ever do wrong?

I find it sad that you expect the untrained victims to act and do a certain way while absolving the suposedly "highly trained" cops of any wrong doing, ever.

Sure cops do the wrong thing. But knowing that what sort of mental reject do you have to be to deal drugs and not expect it might happen to you. Again, don't deal drugs and the likelihood of a negative encounter with the police drop significantly. And this isn't about "victims". This is about drug dealers, folks with victims of their own.
 

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The police are ALWAYS responsible for their actions. Just as the drug dealer in the OP is.


well, in that other story the savage cop that shot the little girl walked.



Which situation? The one from the OP?, don't really know, we have almost no real information in that sob story of an article. The distraction - the one about the Marine? Unless they were not shouting, "police!" he should have never gone for the AR15, that was just dumb as dirt. If he really thought they were home invaders he was especially an idiot for having the safety on.


but no culpability for the police or the bull**** warrant.


you are much easier on the police.
 

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well, in that other story the savage cop that shot the little girl walked.

Then discuss that in the thread you likely made when it happened. You seem to follow such stories religiously.

but no culpability for the police or the bull**** warrant.


you are much easier on the police.

Yes, I am. Generally because your stories, when you strip off all the syrup and moaning about how drugs should be legal, involve quite a few Darwin Award potential winners going for the award. I mean really, when armed police storm into your place just how stupid do you have to be to even think about going for a gun. How brain damaged do you have to be to resist in any way? The time for debate and telling your side is later when there aren't a bunch of loaded firearms pointed at you.

But really, again, all this is EASILY avoided. Don't deal drugs.
 

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In theory. Seldom in reality are they actually held responsible for their actions. If they were, most of us who are railing against the abuses wouldn't be railing.

Except they almost always are, but in many cases the wobblies are angry because no lynching took place.
 

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Then discuss that in the thread you likely made when it happened. You seem to follow such stories religiously.


you are right, **** that little girl, someone near her must of been a dirtbag, she deseved that bullet in her head, praise be unto the police.




Yes, I am. Generally because your stories, when you strip off all the syrup and moaning about how drugs should be legal, involve quite a few Darwin Award potential winners going for the award. I mean really, when armed police storm into your place just how stupid do you have to be to even think about going for a gun. How brain damaged do you have to be to resist in any way? The time for debate and telling your side is later when there aren't a bunch of loaded firearms pointed at you.

But really, again, all thi8s is EASILY avoided. Don't deal drugs.



I find it shocking you think a military raid on kids selling weed is an appropriate response, and when someone who is nonviolent meets a violent death at the hands of the police, you cheer the police.
 
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