Alexander Hamilton predicted Donald Trump

[Bullseye]

You mean lap dogs.

Not at all, they did that act for Obama, it was just as bad.

 

[Keridan]

Yanking press credentials is suppression. It may only be one voice but it may just be the first.

And if it had been anything to do with the 1st amendment, I would have been shouting him down like I do on so many other subjects. Luckily, it was an extreme stretch to even pretend the 5th amendment applied. Even with that stretch, the courts stepped up and said no. Temporarily revoking his super rare and special privileges to the most secure building on the planet and being first to hear word from the administration while letting him and everyone else write whatever they want is not a danger to the 1st. It's so much stronger than that.

Trump may hate the people who trash him, but he has yet to infringe their rights. Instead, he gives them more material than they've had since a certain cigar gave them months of front pages.

 

[Amelia]

I heard about a book recently that describes the fate of all democracies: they become empires under tyrants, then they fail & vanish. Greece, Rome..America?

We're still young as countries go.

Maybe this is our awkward sophomore year and we can put it behind us.


Luckily, in spite of his tyrannical inclinations, Trump is incompetent. So he probably won't be the one to usher in the era of tyrants. We still have the white supremacist problem, but they ARE a minority, an even smaller set than the minority who support Trump. We might be able to shake this off. The Democratic House will help hold the line until 2020.

 

[Keridan]

We're still young as countries go.

Maybe this is our awkward sophomore year and we can put it behind us.


Luckily, in spite of his tyrannical inclinations, Trump is incompetent. So he probably won't be the one to usher in the era of tyrants. We still have the white supremacist problem, but they ARE a minority, an even smaller set than the minority who support Trump. We might be able to shake this off. The Democratic House will help hold the line until 2020.

This is probably accurate. I don't think Trump is held back by any desire to protect the current practices and checks and balances. I think he is just incapable of changing those rules. It's a sign of strength from our constitution and planning in my opinion.

Every powerful country, business, and person hits rough spots. They have years they'd rather forget. We've had a couple. Maybe this is another set. Unfortunately, we probably disagree on why. I think Trump and the right wing are far from the only reason we are having growing pains.

 

[JackA]

America had a pretty good run. Nothing lasts forever.

Today I was mildly optimistic though about how quickly we might recover our good name after Trump is gone. Hopefully other countries will be so relieved that he's gone that they'll easily accept the olive branches our next president hands out. There will probably still be room for us at the international table even though we might not be invited to carve the turkey any time soon.

I was heartened, too, by Roberts’ rebuke and then Gorsuch saying he was “disheartened” by Trump’s slur against the Ninth Circuit judge. We have the means to keep an overreaching President in his place, we only need the nerve to use them.

 

[Bum]

Yanking press credentials is suppression. It may only be one voice but it may just be the first.

And how does that prevent a journalist from speaking out in the media?

Access to the White House is not a 1st Amendment right....were that the case, every American would be entitled to WH access.

 

[haymarket]

“Obsequious” is one bad trait Trump doesn’t have. He’s the opposite, in fact. Arrogant, brazen, and always has been.

He certainly looked obsequious in Helsinki.

 

[marke]

Over the past 2 years we have seen in Trump exactly what concerned Hamilton over 200 years ago:

“… of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.” — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, #1

Trump is not trying to take away the 1st and 2nd amendments of the Constitution. That would be the democrats.

 

[Atheist 2020]

Trump makes me to be ashamed to be an American.

 

[JackA]

He certainly looked obsequious in Helsinki.

Yeah, Putin does that to him, doesn’t he.

 

[Fletch]

Trump makes me to be ashamed to be an American.

Yet somehow Lenin, Stalin and Mao and the tens of millions of corpses that lie in their wake dont make you too ashamed to be a socialist.

 

[Fletch]

Yanking press credentials is suppression. It may only be one voice but it may just be the first.

So dumb. You really should stop watching CNN

 

[eohrnberger]

We're still young as countries go.

Maybe this is our awkward sophomore year and we can put it behind us.


Luckily, in spite of his tyrannical inclinations, Trump is incompetent. So he probably won't be the one to usher in the era of tyrants. We still have the white supremacist problem, but they ARE a minority, an even smaller set than the minority who support Trump. We might be able to shake this off. The Democratic House will help hold the line until 2020.

Which "tyrannical inclinations"?

Has the Trump administration arrested, detained, or incarcerated anyone with the legally prescribed court proceedings?
Has the Trump administration assassinated anyone?
Has the Trump administration surveilled or wiretapped anyone without the required legal proceedings?

Before calling someone to have "tyrannical inclinations", don't they have to actually exhibit those inclinations first?
Or is this, once again, presumed guilt from the left to those with whom they disagree?

I heard reported that the average Democracy only lasts 50 years. The US's Democratic Republic has lasted some 242 years give or take.

Hopefully it will continue beyond the liberal / progressive / leftist onslaught against it and the freedoms and liberties that it guarantees the individual, and the curbs against government power.

 

[eohrnberger]

I was heartened, too, by Roberts’ rebuke and then Gorsuch saying he was “disheartened” by Trump’s slur against the Ninth Circuit judge. We have the means to keep an overreaching President in his place, we only need the nerve to use them.

Well, let's try and remember that the '9th circus' has its decisions overturned at a rate of some 68%, or something like that.
Seems reasonable grounds to criticize at least their decisions, if not specific far left radical judicial activist judges the left political activists always shop for.

 

[jnug]

This was mentioned in a political discussion on Ari Melber's show on MSNBC tonight. Hamilton had uncanny foresight. This quote fits Trump perfectly: attacking the judiciary, trying to prosecute his perceived political enemies, appointing cronies to do his bidding...it just keeps getting more the tyrant & less the demagogue. Our entire democracy is at stake.

Worse, the Trumpets are bold faced Royalists ignorant enough to desire a tyrannical King Donald. They are utterly oblivious to history. Nobody gets justice when you live by the leave of a King. He gets up on the wrong side of the bed, and you happen to come under his sights....good luck to you!

 

[joko104]

It is funny reading juvenile minded hacks calling President Trump a dictator, tyrant or King. That means they believe President Trump controls every federal judge, all of the press and media, the only investigations by government would be of his adversaries, and he has control over all government employees. Obviously the believe Trump has 100% won and now has all power.

 

[jnug]

It is funny reading juvenile minded hacks calling President Trump a dictator, tyrant or King. That means they believe President Trump controls every federal judge, all of the press and media, the only investigations by government would be of his adversaries, and he has control over all government employees. Obviously the believe Trump has 100% won and now has all power.

Trump doesn't have 100% control YET. But he wants to have 100% control and his loyal followers are anxious for him to have it. His "vision" of the US Government and his perspective on his role as President is in a word Creepy and the same can be said for his followers.

 

[Athanasius68]

This was mentioned in a political discussion on Ari Melber's show on MSNBC tonight. Hamilton had uncanny foresight. This quote fits Trump perfectly: attacking the judiciary, trying to prosecute his perceived political enemies, appointing cronies to do his bidding...it just keeps getting more the tyrant & less the demagogue. Our entire democracy is at stake.

Oh please. If the above is the concern with respects to Trump, Lincoln and FDR were worse.

 

[Athanasius68]

No fan of Trump here, but he has yet to go after anything resembling the first amendment. He's more about belligerent and loud mouthing.

The theme with Trump is that he responds to attacks and criticisms on him. He probably should resist a lot of the time and let his aides deal with it, but thats who he is. He doesnt just bloviate out of the blue.

 

[haymarket]

The theme with Trump is that he responds to attacks and criticisms on him. He probably should resist a lot of the time and let his aides deal with it, but thats who he is. He doesnt just bloviate out of the blue.

He has the self control of a 13 year old boy who has discovered his daddy porn collection while the family is away for the afternoon.

 

[Athanasius68]

He has the self control of a 13 year old boy who has discovered his daddy porn collection while the family is away for the afternoon.

Donny from Queens.

 

[JackA]

Well, let's try and remember that the '9th circus' has its decisions overturned at a rate of some 68%, or something like that.
Seems reasonable grounds to criticize at least their decisions, if not specific far left radical judicial activist judges the left political activists always shop for.

The vast majority of 9th Circuit decisions are never reviewed final rulings. Of those few that are reviewed, the Circuit’s reversal rate is lower than the average reversal rate among the Circuit Courts. Seeing that you let Trump do your research your mistake was understandable, even inevitable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Ninth_Circuit

 

[Fletch]

Trump doesn't have 100% control YET. But he wants to have 100% control and his loyal followers are anxious for him to have it. His "vision" of the US Government and his perspective on his role as President is in a word Creepy and the same can be said for his followers.

Thats wrong. And dumb, frankly. You are simply mindlessly repeating loony left wing propaganda you hear on tv. It would be nice if one of you lefties would post an original thought here that has some basis in reality.

 

[eohrnberger]

The vast majority of 9th Circuit decisions are never reviewed final rulings. Of those few that are reviewed, the Circuit’s reversal rate is lower than the average reversal rate among the Circuit Courts. Seeing that you let Trump do your research your mistake was understandable, even inevitable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Ninth_Circuit

This has been from various media sources for a decade already, so nothing to do with Trump.

From your own citation: "From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79 percent of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, ranking its reversal rate third among the circuits; the median reversal rate for all federal circuits for the same time period was around 70 percent.[8]"

Third most often reversed court?

Since "From 1999 to 2008, of the 0.151% of Ninth Circuit Court rulings that were reviewed by the Supreme Court"

It certainly looks like the Supreme Court is reviewing a very small fraction of the courts ruling, but when they do, the 9th's ruling revered reversed 70% of the time.

So subject to how you want to look at it, I suppose.

I have a heard time believing that judicial decisions have an error rate between 70% and 79% of the cases reviewed by a higher court.
To me that just sounds like too high an error rate, if you can call it that, as to be acceptable.

 

[apdst]

Over the past 2 years we have seen in Trump exactly what concerned Hamilton over 200 years ago:

“… of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.” — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, #1

That sounds more like a community organizer.