Alexander Hamilton predicted Donald Trump

[JacksinPA]

Over the past 2 years we have seen in Trump exactly what concerned Hamilton over 200 years ago:

“… of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.” — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, #1

 

[haymarket]

Over the past 2 years we have seen in Trump exactly what concerned Hamilton over 200 years ago:

“… of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.” — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, #1

Not only did he identify Trump to a tee but his theme song is damn good also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhinPd5RRJw

 

[JacksinPA]

Not only did I identify Trump to a tee but his theme song is damn good also.

This was mentioned in a political discussion on Ari Melber's show on MSNBC tonight. Hamilton had uncanny foresight. This quote fits Trump perfectly: attacking the judiciary, trying to prosecute his perceived political enemies, appointing cronies to do his bidding...it just keeps getting more the tyrant & less the demagogue. Our entire democracy is at stake.

 

[ipsofacto]

This was mentioned in a political discussion on Ari Melber's show on MSNBC tonight. Hamilton had uncanny foresight. This quote fits Trump perfectly: attacking the judiciary, trying to prosecute his perceived political enemies, appointing cronies to do his bidding...it just keeps getting more the tyrant & less the demagogue. Our entire democracy is at stake.

The GOP wanted a President to be CEO of America. That is Trump.

 

[haymarket]

This was mentioned in a political discussion on Ari Melber's show on MSNBC tonight. Hamilton had uncanny foresight. This quote fits Trump perfectly: attacking the judiciary, trying to prosecute his perceived political enemies, appointing cronies to do his bidding...it just keeps getting more the tyrant & less the demagogue. Our entire democracy is at stake.

Yes it is. Trump is a wanna be authoritarian who would completely eliminate all opposition to him if he could. And that should scare the daylights out of every American.

 

[JackA]

“Obsequious” is one bad trait Trump doesn’t have. He’s the opposite, in fact. Arrogant, brazen, and always has been.

 

[Bullseye]

Over the past 2 years we have seen in Trump exactly what concerned Hamilton over 200 years ago:

“… of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.” — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, #1

And exactly what liberties has Trump overturned? :ranton:

 

[joko104]

Cicero predicted the Democratic Party:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

― Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

[JackA]

And exactly what liberties has Trump overturned? :ranton:

None, so far, but you can’t fault him for not trying to weaken the First Amendment.

 

[Keridan]

None, so far, but you can’t fault him for not trying to weaken the First Amendment.

No fan of Trump here, but he has yet to go after anything resembling the first amendment. He's more about belligerent and loud mouthing.

 

[JacksinPA]

None, so far, but you can’t fault him for not trying to weaken the First Amendment.

And he's been doing a pretty good job of attacking the free press, without which we would have tyranny.

 

[Keridan]

And he's been doing a pretty good job of attacking the free press, without which we would have tyranny.

Yelling dumb things to the press does not equal suppression.

 

[JackA]

No fan of Trump here, but he has yet to go after anything resembling the first amendment. He's more about belligerent and loud mouthing.

His incessant attacks on the press is nothing if not “going after...the first amendment”.

 

[Bullseye]

None, so far, but you can’t fault him for not trying to weaken the First Amendment.

Actually, he strengthened it by speaking back and telling the truth about the quality of journalism we suffer through.

 

[Bullseye]

His incessant attacks on the press is nothing if not “going after...the first amendment”.

Nonsense, it's an attempt to get them to report fairly.

 

[Amelia]

America had a pretty good run. Nothing lasts forever.

Today I was mildly optimistic though about how quickly we might recover our good name after Trump is gone. Hopefully other countries will be so relieved that he's gone that they'll easily accept the olive branches our next president hands out. There will probably still be room for us at the international table even though we might not be invited to carve the turkey any time soon.

 

[Keridan]

His incessant attacks on the press is nothing if not “going after...the first amendment”.

Actually, it's nothing if not feeding the beast. He's all about free press. He loves the attention every time he opens his huge mouth. If he was silencing articles or shutting down nay sayers, it would be different. Instead, he just gives them more material day after day.

I'm not saying he doesn't wish he could stop people from hurting his feelings, but he doesn't do it.

 

[JackA]

Actually, he strengthened it by speaking back and telling the truth about the quality of journalism we suffer through.

I doubt many critics at this forum even read it let alone a quantity sufficient to judge it.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

None, so far, but you can’t fault him for not trying to weaken the First Amendment.

That is soooOOOooooo flaccid.

The whole democracy is threatened now? By what, your imaginary threats?

 

[joko104]

Shakespeare predicted President Obama:

“What a terrible era in which idiots govern the blind.”

― William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar

 

[JacksinPA]

Yelling dumb things to the press does not equal suppression.

Yanking press credentials is suppression. It may only be one voice but it may just be the first.

 

[Bullseye]

America had a pretty good run. Nothing lasts forever.

Today I was mildly optimistic though about how quickly we might recover our good name after Trump is gone. Hopefully other countries will be so relieved that he's gone that they'll easily accept the olive branches our next president hands out. There will probably still be room for us at the international table even though we might not be invited to carve the turkey any time soon.

Yeah, what we need is an America apologist, who lacks pride in the country and is ready to bow and scrape to every other world leader, and promises Putin to be more flexible. That'll make things better.

 

[Keridan]

America had a pretty good run. Nothing lasts forever.

Today I was mildly optimistic though about how quickly we might recover our good name after Trump is gone. Hopefully other countries will be so relieved that he's gone that they'll easily accept the olive branches our next president hands out. There will probably still be room for us at the international table even though we might not be invited to carve the turkey any time soon.

I most certainly hope our new president doesn't spend all of 2020 apologizing. We are still dominant and pretty much keep things together. Step up, show them Trump is not powerful enough to really damage the most powerful nation in history and continue being the biggest contributors to world order. We are good.

 

[JackA]

Nonsense, it's an attempt to get them to report fairly.

You mean lap dogs.

 

[JacksinPA]

America had a pretty good run. Nothing lasts forever.

Today I was mildly optimistic though about how quickly we might recover our good name after Trump is gone. Hopefully other countries will be so relieved that he's gone that they'll easily accept the olive branches our next president hands out. There will probably still be room for us at the international table even though we might not be invited to carve the turkey any time soon.

I heard about a book recently that describes the fate of all democracies: they become empires under tyrants, then they fail & vanish. Greece, Rome..America?