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Hamas official urges Fatah leaders to order security apparatus to allow 'resistance' groups to attack Israel from West Bank in order to 'liberate Jerusalem'
On the day that President Shimon Peres urged Hamas to abandon terror, to free Gaza from the blockade and put an end to the need for flotillas, it seems now more than ever, these calls fall on deaf ears.
This development is no surprise (probably not even to the Turkish government that recently made the absurd claim that Hamas is not a terrorist organization). Al-Zahar is merely reaffirming a key principle from Hamas' charter which, among other things declares, "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion."
Finally, even as it is over hasty to condemn Israel time and again, the UN will almost certainly not issue any Presidential statements or resolutions to condemn the Hamas terrorist organization.
So to say Hamas is not a terrorist organization is a rather reasonable claim at this moment.
It is only reasonable from the limited perspective of those who support them but are trying to pretend they are somehow not supporting terrorism.
I do not support indiscriminate or targeted attacks on civilians regardless of whether I think they meet the definition of terrorism. However, Israel and its supporters have consistently abused the term and butchered its definition to justify every little thing Israel does no matter how horrendous.
Actually Hamas has looked to Hezbollah as an example and moved away from terrorist activities to focus on more conventional military activities. So to say Hamas is not a terrorist organization is a rather reasonable claim at this moment.
Do you consider the murder of an israeli policeman last week in an ambush by Fatah activist as an act of terror?
If you count indiscriminately firing rockets at people's homes, then yeah they are doing a good job imitating hezbollah. But to the point, how do you reconcile this individual's call to conduct War Crimes with your claim that they are seeking a more moderate path?
But to the point, how do you reconcile this individual's call to conduct War Crimes with your claim that they are seeking a more moderate path?
It is a more moderate path than terrorism.
Al-Zahar: Let Hamas fire rockets from West Bank - Israel News, Ynetnews
Well, the world still thinks that there is a reasonable, peacfull side on the Hamas' side.
I fear of the Israeli reaction after the moment rockets will fall on the western side of Jerusalem, the capital city of a nation.
It is a more moderate path than terrorism.
Correction: the capitcal city of TWO nations.
I know israel is a nation - not sure about any other...
The news article at the beginning of this thread stated, in part:
In an interview to Palestinian paper al-Quds, al-Zahar said the Gaza Strip has been liberated, "and the PA's security apparatus should free our hands. In order to liberate Jerusalem and the West Bank, rockets must be fired from the West Bank. Why should this fire come only from the Strip?"
In other words, al-Zahar was calling for Hamas' being permitted to launch terrorist attacks from the West Bank. Terrorism initiated from the West Bank is not a "more moderate path" than terrorism that originates in the Gaza Strip. It is still terrorism and there is little doubt that al-Zahar was calling for the firing of rockets from the West Bank. There is nothing "moderate" at all in his request.
And you wonder why people launch rockets at Israel...
I am not familiar with it, but it certainly doesn't sound like terrorism to me.
Correction: the capitcal city of TWO nations.
Correction: the capitcal city of TWO nations.
3rd correction: The capital of one nation that is not formally recognized as such by any sovereign country in the world.Second correction: The capital of one nation, the self-designated capital of another.
The news article at the beginning of this thread stated, in part:
In an interview to Palestinian paper al-Quds, al-Zahar said the Gaza Strip has been liberated, "and the PA's security apparatus should free our hands. In order to liberate Jerusalem and the West Bank, rockets must be fired from the West Bank. Why should this fire come only from the Strip?"
In other words, al-Zahar was calling for Hamas' being permitted to launch terrorist attacks from the West Bank. Terrorism initiated from the West Bank is not a "more moderate path" than terrorism that originates in the Gaza Strip. It is still terrorism and there is little doubt that al-Zahar was calling for the firing of rockets from the West Bank. There is nothing "moderate" at all in his request.
Sure you haven't, cuz the world press only tells you when Israel is the "aggressor"
I bet you haven't heard about rockets falling on Sderot the past two weeks.
Thats how Israel is loosing the PR battle to the Palestinians, we sit quietly until we had enough and then blow up and the world doesn't understand why, after we blow up we start trying to explain but its too late because horror pictures floods Al-Jazirah.
3rd correction: The capital of one nation that is not formally recognized as such by any sovereign country in the world.
Nice try though.
Just as I don't think Jews are conspiring against the world I do not think the world is conspiring against the Jews. Israel should drop the victimization complex.
No, but I didn't hear about the Israeli retaliation either
Did you hear about the Azeri and Armenian soldiers who were killed in a clash recently? Do you know how many Somalis have been killed in battles over the last week?
Israel has only recently tried pursuing a policy of sitting quietly, but it is still a notoriously fidgety country.
Fourth and last correction: Jerusalem is recognized as Israel's capital by the world. East Jerusalem's status is the one that is disputed, not West Jerusalem's. Hence Jerusalem is only the capital of one nation.
Can't say that was a nice try from you, it was kinda ridiculous and weak.
The United States views as desirable the establishing of an international regime for the city.[27] Its final status must be resolved through negotiations[28] and it does not recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.[29]
According to the United Kingdom, Jerusalem was supposed to be a corpus separatum, or international city administered by the UN.[35] This was never set up: immediately after the UNGA resolution partitioning Palestine, Israel occupied West Jerusalem.[35] Jordan occupied East Jerusalem (including the Old City).[35] The UK recognised the de facto control of Israel and Jordan, but not sovereignty.[35] In 1967, Israel captured East Jerusalem, which the UK considers a military occupation and regards Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem as illegal, under the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[35][36] The UK Embassy to Israel is in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem.[35] In East Jerusalem there is a Consulate-General, with a Consul-General who is not accredited to any state: this is an expression of the view that no state has sovereignty over Jerusalem.
Finland"Canada considers the status of Jerusalem can be resolved only as part of a general settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute. Canada does not recognize Israel's unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem." [37] In the fact sheet on Israel displayed on the Canadian Foreign Ministry's website, the indication of "Capital" is left blank. [38]
Sweden"Israel considers Jerusalem to be it's capital city. The international community has not recognized this. The Finnish embassy is in Tel Aviv."[40]
I can keep going, if you'd like."Sweden, like other states, does not recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which is why the embassy is in Tel Aviv."
So you state that "Jerusalem is recognized as Israel's capital by the world", yet not one country maintains an embassy in Jerusalem. Hilarious. Even the US maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv, while having a Consulate General office in Jerusalem like the Britain.Subsequent to UNSC resolution 478, 13 countries (Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, the Netherlands, Panama, Uruguay and Venezuela) which had maintained their embassies in Jerusalem, moved their embassies to Tel Aviv. Costa Rica and El Salvador moved theirs back to Jerusalem in 1984. Costa Rica moved its embassy back to Tel Aviv in 2006 followed by El Salvador a few weeks later.[48][49] No international embassy remains in Jerusalem, although Paraguay and Bolivia have theirs in Mevasseret Zion, a suburb 10 km west of the city.[50]
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