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Although I disagree I can see where you're coming from.
Although I disagree I can see where you're coming from.I don't disagree with that. But the intent was prosecuted already, in the murder charge. A federal "hate crime" prosecution is not the same. It is specifically targeting and punishing thoughts. The action has already been prosecuted. IMO it is just not compatible with the constitution.
You mean another incident for you to show how white men are the true victims in todays world.That’s excellent. Now all those guys that were sentenced to life without the possibility of parole will never get out of prison…which wasn’t going to happen anyway.
Well, at least the race baiters will now feel better about themselves…at least until they have another incident to get pissed off about.
That's 100% what I'm saying. I'm sure they regret the video. They regret getting involved in the first place.Regret they got caught.
It is prosecuting crimes committed based on hate of the victims color, sexual orientation and suchI don't disagree with that. But the intent was prosecuted already, in the murder charge. A federal "hate crime" prosecution is not the same. It is specifically targeting and punishing thoughts. The action has already been prosecuted. IMO it is just not compatible with the constitution.
That’s excellent. Now all those guys that were sentenced to life without the possibility of parole will never get out of prison…which wasn’t going to happen anyway.
Well, at least the race baiters will now feel better about themselves…at least until they have another incident to get pissed off about.
Race baiters???That’s excellent. Now all those guys that were sentenced to life without the possibility of parole will never get out of prison…which wasn’t going to happen anyway.
Well, at least the race baiters will now feel better about themselves…at least until they have another incident to get pissed off about.
That's the thing about supposedly having a brain, it should keep you out of regretful situations.That's 100% what I'm saying. I'm sure they regret the video. They regret getting involved in the first place.
The end result here is horrible. My question is shouldn't this kid have realized poking around in a white neighborhood in Georgia is dangerous? It's wise to know your audience.People do that all the time. We built a cabin in the mountains and all the neighbors walked through it during construction. Kids played on the site. Hell my wife and I have done that with houses for sale in our old neighborhood, should we be dead for it now?
I think he lived in the area himself. Most joggers don't go too far from home for a run.The end result here is horrible. My question is shouldn't this kid have realized poking around in a white neighborhood in Georgia is dangerous? It's wise to know your audience.
I think it shows they honestly didn't see anything wrong with what they did.Shows how emboldened these supremacists thought they could be.
What other constitutional charge, besides murder, are you talking about? You can't, at least constitutionally, punish someones thoughts or beliefs. You can only punish their actions.If you dont believe in hate crimes then you certainallyl feel that if someone is convicted of shooting and killing a cop then there should be NO extra charges, right?
No. That was never my take in the Arbery case but apparently you’re too lazy to look that stuff up and just hateful enough to see an opportunity to piss slander on anyone you dislike.You mean another incident for you to show how white men are the true victims in todays world.
What does this conviction accomplish that the criminal one didn’t? What? Are the sentences longer now? Is Arbery less dead? Are we now a less racist nation? Tell me, oh wise one, what was made better by this?If this didn't piss you off, nothing will - except a bunch of murdering bigots getting arrested and sentenced to life in prison. That piss you off more than the fact that they killed an innocent kid?
It sucks but if I was a black person living amongst white hicks I'd be careful where I went. He may have been curious about what was up inside that house but he should have known that someone might think it looks suspicious.I think he lived in the area himself. Most joggers don't go too far from home for a run.
No! To change their behavior! We all have thoughts we know better than to act on.How So? To hide their feelings, or do you think it will change their mindset?
It's like having harsher punishments for suicide bombers.What does this conviction accomplish that the criminal one didn’t? What? Are the sentences longer now? Is Arbery less dead? Are we now a less racist nation? Tell me, oh wise one, what was made better by this?
I don't disagree with that. But the intent was prosecuted already, in the murder charge. A federal "hate crime" prosecution is not the same. It is specifically targeting and punishing thoughts. The action has already been prosecuted. IMO it is just not compatible with the constitution.
which to me is unconstitutional. The action can and has been adjudicated. Someones thoughts, at least IMO, can not be.It is prosecuting crimes committed based on hate of the victims color, sexual orientation and such
Is that the case only for blacks in white neighborhoods or does that also apply to anyone poking around in property that isn’t theirs?The end result here is horrible. My question is shouldn't this kid have realized poking around in a white neighborhood in Georgia is dangerous? It's wise to know your audience.
Been law since 68, any challenges to it being unconstitutionalwhich to me is unconstitutional. The action can and has been adjudicated. Someones thoughts, at least IMO, can not be.
I believe in not putting yourself into bad situations no matter what color you are.Is that the case only for blacks in white neighborhoods or does that also apply to anyone poking around in property that isn’t theirs?
Right. Good plan.I believe in not putting yourself into bad situations no matter what color you are.
Hate crimes are, IMO, crimes against not just the individual (Aubry), but crimes against a group, like a racial, ethnic, sexual orientation, or such (fat people or skinny people, I don't know), such that it carries with it a greater risk to others in the community. Even if you just like to trip pretty blondes as they cross the street, just because you have some internal hatred for blondes, and you have frequently expressed your hatred, and then you are actually caught doing the tripping, and are subsequently convicted with an appropriate penalty, but then because of the special circumstances and danger to blondes, your sentence is enhanced due to your acting out on your hatred. You could have hated from a chair on the sidewalk with just speech, but you acted out illegally with physical assault and threaten to do so again, so more punishment for you as a hate crime.I'm hugely conflicted on this. They were already, rightfully and justly convicted for their actions. Hate crime legislation seeks to criminalize thoughts, which I don't believe in. I honestly have no idea how hate crime legislation has survived constitutional scrutiny.
They probably wish they had just sat on the couch and cracked another beer, would have been better for everybody.
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