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After this, America really needs to talk about wages and worker protections

gdgyva said:
did i particularly say YOU

take a look at my posts

i specifically said democrats/progressives/liberals on this site

if the shoe fits, wear it.....if not, i guess you can ignore that comment
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Even leftists don't want those workers to lose everything as you implied.
 
phattonez said:
I'd deal with it by addressing the problems you mentioned. Moratorium on immigration. No more trade with countries that have wages far below what we pay. Make companies pay for the benefits that the state is giving their workers.
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That last point would seem (nearly?) impossible to implement. In effect it would mandate paying different wages for people doing the same job.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That last point would seem (nearly?) impossible to implement. In effect it would mandate paying different wages for people doing the same job.
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As they should. Different people have different needs.
 
phattonez said:
As they should. Different people have different needs.
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From each according to their ability (to perform some low-skilled. part-time McJob as a career), to each according to their need (for a comfortable, middle class lifestyle, with a nice private home and a few newish cars). ;)
 
phattonez said:
Wage wars: McDonald’s stubborn cost structure
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"Despite recent protests, McDonald’s can’t afford to pay workers $15.00 per hour because labor costs make up about 24% of its total sales. "

By the article you provided $15/hr is not affordable.
If you raise the minimum wage to $15/hr for entry level workers. What would you do for the more experienced workers and supervisors? Not talking management.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
From each according to their ability (to perform some low-skilled. part-time McJob as a career), to each according to their need (for a comfortable, middle class lifestyle, with a nice private home and a few newish cars). ;)
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I'm not agitating for luxuries. I just want people to be able to own something.
 
mike2810 said:
"Despite recent protests, McDonald’s can’t afford to pay workers $15.00 per hour because labor costs make up about 24% of its total sales. "

By the article you provided $15/hr is not affordable.
If you raise the minimum wage to $15/hr for entry level workers. What would you do for the more experienced workers and supervisors? Not talking management.
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McDonald's hasn't exactly gone out of business in those places where they've been forced to pay more.
 
phattonez said:
I'm not agitating for luxuries. I just want people to be able to own something.
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That requires getting out of the bottom 5% of wage earners, obviously an attainable goal for 95%.
 
phattonez said:
You're seriously out of touch. See this from HUD:

"An estimated 12 million renter and homeowner households now pay more than 50% of their annual incomes for*housing."

Affordable Housing - CPD | HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
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OK, but is that because wages went down or that housing prices went up? Note that local governments have a vested interest in having ever increasing real estate costs (values) since it causes an automagic increase in property tax revenue.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but is that because wages went down or that housing prices went up? Note that local governments have a vested interest in having ever increasing real estate costs (values) since it causes an automagic increase in property tax revenue.
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Both. Now what are we going to do about it? This is av policy problem, not a problem of individual fault.
 
phattonez said:
Both. Now what are we going to do about it? This is av policy problem, not a problem of individual fault.
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That is an excellent question. Our personal solution has been to have our rent (for an old, small single-wide mobile home on a 1/2 acre lot) frozen (at $300/month) by our landlord in exchange for me doing work on their several rental properties at a very good labor rate ($15/hour) and on a priority basis.

Since I am not going to be able to keep working forever (I'm now 66) I have sealed a deal with them to rent me a 1 acre lot (only) and we are saving up to buy a larger (and new) single-wide mobile home to place on it.
 
Hell, I would rather my tax dollars be spent on endless wars brought under fraud than have a penny spent on my neighbor's health or education. I'm happy to have my tax dollars given to poorly managed corporations than to have any student loans forgiven. We can forgive the greed and poor management of corporations, but we simply cannot afford to forgive student loan debt.

Me likes our fascist world.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is an excellent question. Our personal solution has been to have our rent (for an old, small single-wide mobile home on a 1/2 acre lot) frozen (at $300/month) by our landlord in exchange for me doing work on their several rental properties at a very good labor rate ($15/hour) and on a priority basis. Since I am not going to be able to keep working forever (I'm now 66) I have sealed a deal with them to rent me a 1 acre lot (only) and we are saving up to buy a larger (and new) single-wide mobile home to place on it.
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What are we going to do as a society? I say we start sticking it to landlords who are making great profits while their renters are languishing. They can take a cut to profits so that renters can have more affordable options.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Hell, I would rather my tax dollars be spent on endless wars brought under fraud than have a penny spent on my neighbor's health or education. I'm happy to have my tax dollars given to poorly managed corporations than to have any student loans forgiven. We can forgive the greed and poor management of corporations, but we simply cannot afford to forgive student loan debt.

Me likes our fascist world.
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Actually fascists share your same concerns. Mussolini was great on economics. He'd be a hero to most people if he didn't ally with Hitler.
 
phattonez said:
What are we going to do as a society? I say we start sticking it to landlords who are making great profits while their renters are languishing. They can take a cut to profits so that renters can have more affordable options.
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That would likely just create an even larger shortage of rental housing. Fortunately, our landlord chooses to keep rents low in order to reduce tenant turn-over and thus save on their make ready costs and the associated vacancy time. A lot of the problem is zoning laws which limit (relocate?) "affordable" housing to small areas somewhat near where the well off have chosen to live - supplying them with low cost labor but keeping the poor out of sight after working hours.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That would likely just create an even larger shortage of rental housing. Fortunately, our landlord chooses to keep rents low in order to reduce tenant turn-over and thus save on their make ready costs and the associated vacancy time. A lot of the problem is zoning laws which limit (relocate?) "affordable" housing to small areas somewhat near where the well off have chosen to live - supplying them with low cost labor but keeping the poor out of sight after working hours.
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So we can't try anything because it might be worse than how awful it is now? That's an empty retort. We may as well try. There's nothing to lose.
 
mike2810 said:
So who put a gun to their heads and force them to sign for a mortgage above what they can afford.?:mrgreen:

Everyone has choices.
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Their alternative was pitching a tent on the sidewalk.
 
phattonez said:
McDonald's hasn't exactly gone out of business in those places where they've been forced to pay more.
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True. Why are you avoiding addressing the rest of the more experienced employees?
 
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