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His main view is that gay marriage will not be allowed to happen. He is willing to (as a politician) disobey the law if gay marriage is legalized and not recognize them through some form of civil disobedience. The man wants to impose his views and morals upon everyone. Essentially "my view is that gays can't marry, and they won't marry and you will just have to like it!" Is this bigoted?
It is not inequality. We have the equal right to marry the opposite gender of what we are.
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My beliefs are not imposed on anyone. Yours are.why is it not logical for me to stand up for what I believe? Likewise by your logic, it would be illogical for you to impose your beliefs on marriage on the populace of a secular society. With our secular society we may vote based on our beliefs.
You can marry a woman, I cannot. Inequality.It is not inequality. We have the equal right to marry the opposite gender of what we are.
Sure, you can voice your beliefs. No one is saying you can't. I'm all for freedom of speech, even if I personally find said speech abhorrent.And that's en example of why we should vote and voice our beliefs. Just like with my belief on abortion, I am trying to change the laws because I don't view them as morally acceptable and right. We've debated that topic much, and I know it's your belief that abortion should remain legal. My point with bringing that up, is that just because something is currently instated doesn't mean it's wrong. However, we always have the right to challenge and try to change what we believe is wrong. If you believe marriage defined as a union between one man and one woman is wrong, then it's your right to stand up for those beliefs and legally try to make your beliefs law. Likewise, it is equally right for me to voice my beliefs and try to keep things law if I believe they are right and to change other things that I believe are wrong. That's the beauty of living in a democratic society.
Yeah, you do. Evidence has been presented that proves you wrong. If you want to demonstrate that your position is anything other than pointless blathering, it is up to you to present alternate evidence. Thus far, you have presented bupkis.
Your beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to legalities. You have no right to not be offended. Too bad.
These are legal issues, not beliefs. You fail again.
You can say that until you're blue in the face. It is still invalid. Evidence on the pro-GM side has been presented. The only thing you have presented is "I don't like it and I don't want it". That is why your posts have demonstrated a laick of logic or evidence. You have presented nothing, as is typical with the anti-GM crowd.
The argument has been presented several times. You are holding your hands over your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALA" because the argument destroys your position.
You have presented no evidence to counter the evidence presented. Obviously because you have NONE.
You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
Evidence to counter your evidence? You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
Evidence and proof in your mind only. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up the world "debate."
Wrong.
Legal issues based on ethics and morals. Really you are just wasting my time now.
You can keep attacking my position but it won't help yours any.
You mean the argument that gay sex is "normal?" I'm new here, run it past me again.
Evidence to counter your evidence? You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
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Yes, let's take a look at this stat.
You are saying 50% of gays are dying from AIDS without gay marriage being legalized across the board. How does this stat factor into gay marriage?
Since marriage is supposed to promote monogomy, this would actually have the impact of LOWERING that percentage. Thank you StevenA59 for pointing out why gay marriage being legalized would actually help prmote and help reduce this stat and adding another reason why gay marriage should be legalized.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.
MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated
532,000 total persons).
OK... so we have ALL obliterated Steve's erroneous claim. Let's see if he admits it.
Easy. Normal is a value judgement and therefore is a logical fallacy.
That's your "proof?" Thanks for the laugh.
That's wrong. HE claims "normal is a value judgement" which is supposed to prove somehow that gay marriage is okay? Wow, the lack of critical thinking here is stunning. You see, you can't prove a point by claiming everyone else is wrong.
Yes I admit I misread the statistics. But even if the number is one in ten (as in this study) it is hardly a ringing endorsement for gay marriage or homosexual lifestyle.
That's wrong. HE claims "normal is a value judgement" which is supposed to prove somehow that gay marriage is okay?
Wow, the lack of critical thinking here is stunning. You see, you can't prove a point by claiming everyone else is wrong.
Yes I admit I misread the statistics. But even if the number is one in ten (as in this study) it is hardly a ringing endorsement for gay marriage or homosexual lifestyle.
Then there's the claim that gay marriages would lead to a more monogamous lifestyle, while simultaneously pointing to the fact that straights have a 50% divorce rate. Is someone suggesting that gays are more monogamous than straights? I'd like to see the evidence of that lol. This is a "kitchen sink" style of debate that entails throwing tons of senseless crap and hoping something sticks. I'll be looking for another forum where people can demonstrate a tad bit of critical thinking. Laters.
I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.
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