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After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overturn

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

A main component for government sanctioned marriage is the rearing of children. This is the strongest pro-GM position there is. If I were running the legal team arguing for invalidating Prop. 8, I would push the other side into a "rearing of children" debate, and then defeat them on both logic and evidence.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

A main component for government sanctioned marriage is the rearing of children. This is the strongest pro-GM position there is. If I were running the legal team arguing for invalidating Prop. 8, I would push the other side into a "rearing of children" debate, and then defeat them on both logic and evidence.

The rearing of children is a component of state sanctioned marriage, but it is not the only component. Anti-GM people lose on rearing children, and they lose trying to argue that marriage is only for children.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

The rearing of children is a component of state sanctioned marriage, but it is not the only component. Anti-GM people lose on rearing children, and they lose trying to argue that marriage is only for children.

The argument that marriage is only for children is illogical in current society and would be a contradiction if anti-GM folks attempted to use it. It would mean redefining marriage, something that they claim to be against.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

The argument that marriage is only for children is illogical in current society and would be a contradiction if anti-GM folks attempted to use it. It would mean redefining marriage, something that they claim to be against.

Correct. Gays also in fairly large numbers have children, which further hurts the argument(roughly 1/3 lesbian couples, 1/4 gay male couples).
 

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Seriously. Marriage is for making babies? Has he been living in a BOX for his whole life? If that's the best the anti-gay marriage side can do, gay marriage is coming a hell of a lot faster to this country then I initially believed.

Maybe it's just a polite way of saying that penises are meant to go in vaginas, not another man's anus.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Maybe it's just a polite way of saying that penises are meant to go in vaginas, not another man's anus.

Do you think he's tried both and that's how he came to that conclusion?
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Maybe it's just a polite way of saying that penises are meant to go in vaginas, not another man's anus.

Penises aren't "meant" to go anywhere. Penises just ARE.

Besides, what about mouths and tongues? Where are they "supposed" to go? Not okay to suck a dick? Or go down on a woman?
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Maybe it's just a polite way of saying that penises are meant to go in vaginas, not another man's anus.

Well glad to see that you are cool with Lesbians at least.
 

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Maybe it's just a polite way of saying that penises are meant to go in vaginas, not another man's anus.
Or a woman's mouth.

Blowjobs are teh debil! Oh noes! God shall smiteth thee if thou darest inserteth thy man-meat into the mouth of a woman - because GOD HATES BLOWJOBS! (Bunchofhorsecrap 1:1)
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

I can sit here and list sexual aberrations all day long. What's your point? Without good old doggy-style ****ing, the human race wouldn't get very far, would it? If you want to play the other way, that's your business. Don't expect me to call it a marriage.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

I can sit here and list sexual aberrations all day long. What's your point? Without good old doggy-style ****ing, the human race wouldn't get very far, would it? If you want to play the other way, that's your business. Don't expect me to call it a marriage.

What you call it is irrelevant. The question is what the law calls it.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

They have no right to overturn prop 8. This would be a giant smack to the face of democracy. the people voted and prop 8 set marriage as a man and woman in California. How dare they do this, if it is overturned this would just be a disgrace to democracy and a defeat for the rights of voters.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

I can sit here and list sexual aberrations all day long. What's your point? Without good old doggy-style ****ing, the human race wouldn't get very far, would it? If you want to play the other way, that's your business. Don't expect me to call it a marriage.

Wait, so guys who have doggy style with their wives aren't really married because "sticking it in the pooper is an "abberation"".? lolwut?

Using a toothbrush to clean a toilet is a "cleaning product abberation". The purpose of a toothbrush is to brush your teeth, not clean someone's skid marks out of a nasty toilet - that's just common sense.

If you want to clean the other way, that's your problem. But don't expect me to call it "cleaning". It's an abberation from the norm. Oh My!
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

What you call it is irrelevant. The question is what the law calls it.

Two things. One, what the law calls it is irrelevant. You can't equate legality with morality. They are not the same. Two, don't attempt to define my world. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. On my side, several hundred million years of evolution. I can be tolerant, but I don't need sexual perversity shoved down my throat.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Two things. One, what the law calls it is irrelevant. You can't equate legality with morality. They are not the same. Two, don't attempt to define my world. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. On my side, several hundred million years of evolution. I can be tolerant, but I don't need sexual perversity shoved down my throat.

That is funny because it worked alright to accept homosexuality in Ancient Greece. And no one is forcing it down your throat.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

They have no right to overturn prop 8.
Yeah they do ;)

This would be a giant smack to the face of democracy.
We're a democratic republic, not a democracy - the way our Founders wanted it.

the people voted and prop 8 set marriage as a man and woman in California.
That's a right they shouldn't have had, since this does not affect the people as a whole. Therefore I'm all for the Supreme court overturning it. I don't believe in referendum unless the law directly affects the voters.

How dare they do this,
How dare the religious morons vote against something just because they don't like it.

if it is overturned this would just be a disgrace to democracy and a defeat for the rights of voters.
If it's not overturned, it's a discrace to this country and a defeat of individual liberty. Go ahead and overturn it, and show these Christo-fascist who impose fascim descretely by legal means that the American people have had enough of there elitist, unpatriotic bullcrap.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Two things. One, what the law calls it is irrelevant. You can't equate legality with morality. They are not the same. Two, don't attempt to define my world. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. On my side, several hundred years of tooth brushing. I can be tolerant, but I don't need cleaning product perversity shoved down my throat. Toothbrushes are for cleaning teeth, not toilets. It's immoral to use them to clean someone else's **** out of a dirty bowl. End of story.
Fify ;) All I can say is that evolution sure failed you, so it's ironic that you (incorrectly) claim it as supporting your moronic "moral" beliefs.
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

That is funny because it worked alright to accept homosexuality in Ancient Greece. And no one is forcing it down your throat.

Pedophilia was also accepted. Game, set and match.
 

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Fify ;) All I can say is that evolution sure failed you, so it's ironic that you (incorrectly) claim it as supporting your moronic "moral" beliefs.

Since you're now resorting to name-calling, should I assume you've conceded the point? Or do you have something relevant to say?
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Pedophilia was also accepted. Game, set and match.

No sorry. Greeks accepted homosexuality and guess what they didn't explode from it. Why do it matter to you if two men or two women get married. They aren't forcing it down your throat, they just want to live together happily.
 

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Pedophilia was also accepted.
No it wasn't. Sex with young teenages was accepted in most older cultures (even up to the early 1900s), because "old enough to bleed" was considered suitable for sex. But that's not pedophlia by true definition.

Pedophlilia by true definition is sex with prepubescent kids - and has never been considered normal. That's the worst analogy ever.

Game, set and match.
You can play me again and I'll go easier on you next time just to give you a chance, don't worry. ;)
 

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Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

Two things. One, what the law calls it is irrelevant. You can't equate legality with morality. They are not the same.

I agree that legality and morality are not the same. Legality defines how we interact with each other within a society. Morality is your own personal business and should be kept to yourself and out of public policy.

Two, don't attempt to define my world. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. On my side, several hundred million years of evolution. I can be tolerant, but I don't need sexual perversity shoved down my throat.

And your opinion is just that, an opinion. Evolution has nothing to do with your argument as this isn't an argument about procreation or the passing on of genetic material. It is an argument about how the law should equally apply to everyone.

As far as what's being shoved down your throat...well, you wandered into a thread about something you claim to find perverse, you willingly participate in said thread where the topic is about something you claim to find perverse, and then you bitch and moan that it's being forced on you when we all know there's this little X in the top corner of the window that you can hit at any time to make it all go away and no one in this thread would care to stop you from doing so...

So yeah, forgive me if I point and laugh at your double entendre about something being shoved down your throat. It's laughable when you people pull that.
 
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