AfTer Ferguson: Stop deferrring to the cops

[dogtowner]

The case of Michael Brown shows that America is far too protective of those who have been entrusted to enforce order.

Read the article here: After Ferguson: Stop deferring to the cops - The Week

None of us were on the scene when Officer Wilson killed Michael Brown so we don't know exactly what happened.

But we do know that there is a huge problem in the USA between white law enforcement officers and young black males.

Until that problem is sorted out there will be more situations like Ferguson.

Who wants that?

young black males apparantly. Its no big trick obeying the law and not pretending to be a tough hombre.

 

[clownboy]

Whether you consider race or not, there's a large segment of Americans who distrust the police because they often abuse their position of authority.

The question you must answer is - is that because of American citizens or the police?

See post #112.

Also, it's hilarious to class police as distrusted by a large segment of the US when they are the first people those folks can for help when their own ass in a jam.

In short, the people who distrust the police are the ones who have done or are doing something wrong. I don't believe that's a large segment.

 

[shrubnose]

Its not a huge problem, its just highly publicized by lefties to promote class struggle.

Are you even an American?

What does my nationality have to do with this pervasive American problem that's been going on for a long time?

 

[clownboy]

They really don't know what happened either, which is why they voted as they did. Lack of clear evidence = acquittal

That's not accurate. Read about grand juries.

 

[shrubnose]

So you know more than the grand jury. Got it...

I'm glad that you caught on. :roll:

Now we can move on

 

[shrubnose]

Which side has the problem?

Obviously both sides have problems, and until those problems are sorted out and corrected we'll be seeing more stories like this in the news.

This didn't start yesterday and it's not likely to end tomorrow.

 

[clownboy]

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

I didn't read all the linked material, mostly because it was in large part bull**** playing with stats to gin up a story. None of them that I could see even included the number of cops who are black who shoot black perps. The assumption is all cops are white and they all like to shoot blacks. Btw, St Louis does have black officers. If they are going after blacks heavily that could easily be that there is a heavier percentage of blacks doing criminal acts than whites in those communities.

 

[shrubnose]

It will happen whether anyone wants it or not. It's part of the natural process of social integration in the most diverse country in the world.

There is no problem to sort out.

Wrong, there are lots of problems to sort out.

Ignoring them won't make them go away.

 

[shrubnose]

See post #112.

Also, it's hilarious to class police as distrusted by a large segment of the US when they are the first people those folks can for help when their own ass in a jam.

In short,

the people who distrust the police are the ones who have done or are doing something wrong.

I don't believe that's a large segment.

And those who are constantly hassled by the police for walking or driving while black. :roll:

That's a large segment of the USA's black population.

 

[nota bene]

The problem in Ferguson was not the cop doing his duty. From the beginning, some in the community heard lies that fit the narrative they wanted to believe, and they went with that. Even now that the evidence has been made public, there are still some unsatisfied with the grand jury's decision. Only one decision would have satisfied, no matter what the facts were.

 

[clownboy]

And those who are constantly hassled by the police for walking or driving while black. :roll:

That's a large segment of the USA's black population.

And how many of the instances of that is the cop not white? And in predominantly black populated neighborhoods (those still exist unfortunately), every time they pull some one over it's likely they will be black.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The problem in Ferguson was not the cop doing his duty. From the beginning, some in the community heard lies that fit the narrative they wanted to believe, and they went with that. Even now that the evidence has been made public, there are still some unsatisfied with the grand jury's decision. Only one decision would have satisfied, no matter what the facts were.

Yep. One could certainly find a better example of a "typical case" of racism than a thug being shot by a police officer that he chose to attack. On the other hand, this case not being about race does not prove, by any means, that racial profiling by police does not occur.

 

[nota bene]

And those who are constantly hassled by the police for walking or driving while black. :roll:

That's a large segment of the USA's black population.

But Michael Brown wasn't being hassled for walking while black.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Wrong, there are lots of problems to sort out.

Ignoring them won't make them go away.

Yet neither will trying to twist a situation into what you wish it were an example of. The fact that some police officers are racist does not mean that most are or that WIlson was one of them. Clearly choosing a thug that in a single day robbed a store and then attacked a police officer is not a classic example of simply walking while black getting you into trouble with the police.

 

[shrubnose]

Yet neither will trying to twist a situation into what you wish it were an example of. The fact that some police officers are racist does not mean that most are or that WIlson was one of them.

Clearly choosing a thug that in a single day robbed a store and then attacked a police officer is not a classic example of simply walking while black getting you into trouble with the police.

I actually agree with this- The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmermann case is a much better example, but who learned anything from that sad episode? :roll:

Eventually America will sort its race problems out, I hope that I live long enough to see that happen. It's going to take a while.

 

[MarineTpartier]

Personally, I'm tired of the "cops hate us, we do nothing wrong" defense. When blacks stop killing each other, stealing from each other, raping each other, leaving each other with kids out of wedlock, etc, etc, at record rates they will make it out of the hole they're in. Some of you will say that backs are arrested at higher rates because they are focused on by cops. So what explains their higher out of wedlock birth rate? What explains the fact that they have a higher drop out rate than any other race? No cop is making those things happen. Cops view black people through a different lens because black people have put that lens upon themselves. It's not about color. If it were, we'd see Asian people being arrested and harassed. We don't see that because Asian people, as a whole, are successful and are good citizens. Hispanics are also arrested at a lower rate than blacks even though many of them live in the same financial situation that blacks do.

If a black person doesn't want to be lumped in with the members of their race that make them all look bad, they need to attempt to be different from them. Pull your pants up, actually pay attention in school, treat women with respect, turn your music down in your car, etc. Perception is reality. When people see that stuff, they assume the worse. It's the same concept the military uses. We attempt to separate ourselves from civilians by cutting our hair shorter, shaving everyday, wearing neat clothing, etc. When you put forth the appearance that you actually give a crap about yourself, others assume you do as well.

The single biggest culprit in all of this, IMO, is that many young black men grow up without a father. Not having a strong male example to follow leads many of these guys to go looking for a role model somewhere else. Unfortunately, it's easy for a young man (of any color) to be impressed with the guys that have money, women, are feared, etc like the gangsters they see in their neighborhoods. Until that is solved, I believe we'll continue to see the black race self destruct.

 

[US Conservative]

What does my nationality have to do with this pervasive American problem that's been going on for a long time?

You aren't American, dont tell us about our problems.

 

[US Conservative]

Personally, I'm tired of the "cops hate us, we do nothing wrong" defense. When blacks stop killing each other, stealing from each other, raping each other, leaving each other with kids out of wedlock, etc, etc, at record rates they will make it out of the hole they're in. Some of you will say that backs are arrested at higher rates because they are focused on by cops. So what explains their higher out of wedlock birth rate? What explains the fact that they have a higher drop out rate than any other race? No cop is making those things happen. Cops view black people through a different lens because black people have put that lens upon themselves. It's not about color. If it were, we'd see Asian people being arrested and harassed. We don't see that because Asian people, as a whole, are successful and are good citizens. Hispanics are also arrested at a lower rate than blacks even though many of them live in the same financial situation that blacks do.

If a black person doesn't want to be lumped in with the members of their race that make them all look bad, they need to attempt to be different from them. Pull your pants up, actually pay attention in school, treat women with respect, turn your music down in your car, etc. Perception is reality. When people see that stuff, they assume the worse. It's the same concept the military uses. We attempt to separate ourselves from civilians by cutting our hair shorter, shaving everyday, wearing neat clothing, etc. When you put forth the appearance that you actually give a crap about yourself, others assume you do as well.

The single biggest culprit in all of this, IMO, is that many young black men grow up without a father. Not having a strong male example to follow leads many of these guys to go looking for a role model somewhere else. Unfortunately, it's easy for a young man (of any color) to be impressed with the guys that have money, women, are feared, etc like the gangsters they see in their neighborhoods. Until that is solved, I believe we'll continue to see the black race self destruct.

Agreed. Im so tired of the same old excuses for what is just criminality. Its discredited, like the so called war on women.

 

[clownboy]

I actually agree with this- The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmermann case is a much better example, but who learned anything from that sad episode? :roll:

Eventually America will sort its race problems out, I hope that I live long enough to see that happen. It's going to take a while.

Precisely, but even that wasn't a good example as the shooter was mixed race (white Hispanic, remember :mrgreen.

 

[SMTA]

What does my nationality have to do with this pervasive American problem that's been going on for a long time?

The fact that you are an American hater.

 

[AJiveMan]

The case of Michael Brown shows that America is far too protective of those who have been entrusted to enforce order.

Read the article here: After Ferguson: Stop deferring to the cops - The Week

None of us were on the scene when Officer Wilson killed Michael Brown so we don't know exactly what happened.

But we do know that there is a huge problem in the USA between white law enforcement officers and young black males.

Until that problem is sorted out there will be more situations like Ferguson.

Who wants that?

This isn't just a white/black issue.


Years ago, a young man was driving a stolen car, Illinois state troopers chased him, the car ran out of gas on the toll road, the young man exited the car, ran to the chain fence at the highway right of way, began to climb it to get away, a trooper pulled up, drew down on the young man, and shot him once in the hand, the young man fell from the six foot high fence, was arrested, and later sued the Illinois state police for excessive force, and won, he was a Caucasian. surprised?

Why do police departments across the USA have military type equipment? are they preparing for urban combat with US citizens?

 

[shrubnose]

This isn't just a white/black issue.


Years ago, a young man was driving a stolen car, Illinois state troopers chased him, the car ran out of gas on the toll road, the young man exited the car, ran to the chain fence at the highway right of way, began to climb it to get away, a trooper pulled up, drew down on the young man, and shot him once in the hand, the young man fell from the six foot high fence, was arrested, and later sued the Illinois state police for excessive force, and won, he was a Caucasian. surprised?

Why do police departments across the USA have military type equipment? are they preparing for urban combat with US citizens?

I suppose that some of them are.

 

[SMTA]

That's what I thought. :roll:

Since you are unwilling or incapable of educating yourself and using Google, here are some links to help with your education:

What's the Difference Between a Grand Jury and a Trial Jury? - FindLaw

Comparing Trial Juries and Grand Juries

Who serves on a grand jury

These colored sentences are called hyperlinks - when you click on them with your mouse, the information magically pops up on your computer screen.

At that point, you must read, understand, and process the information that you are reading.

These links will show you how different the Grand Jury and trial jury processes really are, contrary to your post that they are the same.

Maybe, just maybe, this will help alleviate your ignorance regarding the US legal system in these 2 areas.

In addition, the slight increase in intelligence will hopefully blossom in your future posting ventures.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Believe whatever you want to believe, it won't cost me a nickel and it also won't bring the hundreds of young black males who've been killed by white cops back to life.

Perhaps someday you will show equal sympathy for young black men who are killed by other young black men. They number in the thousands. Or perhaps that is not a part of political correctness?

 

[MAGAnificent]

You don't know. Believe whatever you want to believe, won't cost me a nickel.

I'll just say one more time if you spend as much time as I have reading about this case you'll know a lot more.

But not as much as Michael Brown knows and he's not talking. :roll:

However the physical evidence did talk. And it supported Officer Wilson's side of the story as well as most of the witnesses. And most of those witnesses were black. Brown died by his own actions. Officer Wilson's actions were completely justified.