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AfTer Ferguson: Stop deferrring to the cops

SMTA said:
If you have spent that much time reading, then you would have read of the anti-Wilson witnesses who got caught lying under oath, and then recanted their original testimony.
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Shrub just wants to continue believing what he wants to believe. He cannot be convinced.
 
shrubnose said:
What does my nationality have to do with this pervasive American problem that's been going on for a long time?
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Your intentional misreading of the so-called pervasive American problem is your problem. The segregation era in the USA ended in the late 1970s, yet you still seem to want to connect every case of a young black male getting killed by a white cop to racism. If you understood 1/10 of what you claim to understand, you would know what the real issues are. My guess is that you just like to stir the %^&.
 
clownboy said:
Precisely, but even that wasn't a good example as the shooter was mixed race (white Hispanic, remember :mrgreen:).
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The race baiters were depressed when they heard that Zimmerman was a minority. However they had already trapped themselves...so they continued their "white man killed a black man" scenario as if it did not matter.
 
shrubnose said:
The case of Michael Brown shows that America is far too protective of those who have been entrusted to enforce order.

Read the article here: After Ferguson: Stop deferring to the cops - The Week

None of us were on the scene when Officer Wilson killed Michael Brown so we don't know exactly what happened.

But we do know that there is a huge problem in the USA between white law enforcement officers and young black males.

Until that problem is sorted out there will be more situations like Ferguson.

Who wants that?
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Are you aiming this comment at police officers or black criminals?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
A lot of White people don't understand that the police treat Black (and Hispanic) Americans differently. From their point of view, the main or only reason police would use force on someone is if that person did something wrong. That's the lens that they view cases like Michael Brown through. That's why they accept Darren Wilson's story without question. That's why they don't consider that Michael Brown, if he were alive, might tell a completely different story worth listening to. They are deeply invested in their just-world narrative of the fair police officer because that is the sort of relationship that they, as White people, have had with police historically.

Now, there are many White people who reject this just-world narrative of cops. They are critical enough to see that treatment is not equitable. These are the people who will be on the "right side" of history because these are the people who were able recognize and reject injustice towards a group that they do not belong to.
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Are you rejecting all the physical evidence in this case and still believe that Brown was just walking along the street and Wilson shot him?
 
Mason66 said:
Are you rejecting all the physical evidence in this case and still believe that Brown was just walking along the street and Wilson shot him?
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Pretty much.
 
SMTA said:
Since you are unwilling or incapable of educating yourself and using Google, here are some links to help with your education:

What's the Difference Between a Grand Jury and a Trial Jury? - FindLaw

Comparing Trial Juries and Grand Juries

Who serves on a grand jury

These colored sentences are called hyperlinks - when you click on them with your mouse, the information magically pops up on your computer screen.

At that point, you must read, understand, and process the information that you are reading.

These links will show you how different the Grand Jury and trial jury processes really are, contrary to your post that they are the same.

Maybe, just maybe, this will help alleviate your ignorance regarding the US legal system in these 2 areas.

In addition, the slight increase in intelligence will hopefully blossom in your future posting ventures.
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You still can't tell me what I got wrong. Looks like flamebait, more than anything else.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I don't get the impression that "the evidence" means nothing or has been rejected. For me, the issue is that the evidence was never given a chance to be evaluated in a trial and my impression is that this is the issue most critics of the events in Ferguson have. I also don't get the impression that most of those critics believe that there is a conspiracy against black Americans.
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Do you realize the bar is much lower in a grand jury than at trial?

If the evidence could not win charges at a grand jury, they had no chance at trial.

Would you have accepted a not guilty verdict at trial, or would that jury have racist too?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The fact that's 2014 makes the racial element of this all the more sad. I don't respect your take on this case, but I accept it. I don't expect everyone to see Michael Brown's death through the same lens that I do.
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If the officer had been black, do you think he would not have shot Brown because he was black too?
 
apdst said:
You still can't tell me what I got wrong. Looks like flamebait, more than anything else.
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I am not here to spoon feed you information like a child.

If you are incapable or unwilling to educate yourself, then that is your problem, not mine.

All you are doing here is embarrassing yourself.

I will just continue to chuckle at this point.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am no big fan of cops. Its been my experience that some of them are just total dicks with an inferiority complex. That said, the police are not to blame for Michael Brown's death. Racism is not to blame for Michael Brown's death. If you want to blame someone for Michael Brown's death, blame his family for raising a criminal that was a danger to society. If you do things like commit strong armed robbery and then act like a thug with the police, culminating in getting violent with them, then white, brown, black, young, old, or what, you might just get yourself shot.

This is Michael Brown's family in action:

Police Continue Probing Brown Family Brawl | The Smoking Gun

Michael Brown's stepfather: 'Burn this bitch down!' - CNN.com

If you want to blame someone, blame the trash that raised him, not the cop that had to deal with the results of their ****ty parenting.
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Thank you, I made that point on another thread.
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, it's plain that they believed the evidence was clear. A thief attacked a cop and got shot. Easy call.
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You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. It's that simple, you can't convict on "I don't know."
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The sheer amount of evidence that the prosecutor gave the grand jury is very rare; it is also far beyond what is necessary to get an indictment. I consider that "data dump" to be one element of the prosecutor's behavior that was a problem. I understand if you see it differently. I can live with that.
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You are saying more information is bad?
 
rocket88 said:
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. It's that simple, you can't convict on "I don't know."
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Wilson's account matched the forensic evidence. That will close a case 100 times out of 100.
 
clownboy said:
See post #112.

Also, it's hilarious to class police as distrusted by a large segment of the US when they are the first people those folks can for help when their own ass in a jam.

In short, the people who distrust the police are the ones who have done or are doing something wrong. I don't believe that's a large segment.
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So we'll put you down as "pro-tyranny unless I can blame it on the left" then.
 
SMTA said:
I am not here to spoon feed you information like a child.

If you are incapable or unwilling to educate yourself, then that is your problem, not mine.

All you are doing here is embarrassing yourself.

I will just continue to chuckle at this point.
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You can't tell me, because you don't know. Why don't you take your little childish game somewhere else?
 
tomkat364 said:
Instead of viewing this in terms of "race", consider it more from a cultural perspective. People of different cultures react differently to cops, and this generates the different way that cops react to different cultures. Upstanding citizens who are taught to respect cops and their authority have no problem acting civilly to police, and are treated accordingly. People who are taught that cops are "out to get them" act less cooperatively and antagonize armed men with legal authority. That is a stupid action, and will get you into trouble.

Even Chris Rock understands this basic concept...
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police! - YouTube
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You would think that would be the other way around, if they were smart.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The sheer amount of evidence that the prosecutor gave the grand jury is very rare; it is also far beyond what is necessary to get an indictment. I consider that "data dump" to be one element of the prosecutor's behavior that was a problem. I understand if you see it differently. I can live with that.
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The prosecuter gave the grand jury all the evidence, so no one could say he was hiding something. It was a smart move.
 
apdst said:
You can't tell me, because you don't know. Why don't you take your little childish game somewhere else?
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I rest my case.
 
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