AfTer Ferguson: Stop deferrring to the cops

[Unitedwestand13]

They really don't know what happened either, which is why they voted as they did. Lack of clear evidence = acquittal

i wonder if brown had survived being shot, or if the event had been recorded on camera, what would have been have been the outcome of the trial.

 

[rocket88]

People who distrust the police are people I distrust.

This is what I'm talking about - someone who talks about guns being necessary to fight against a tyrannical government doesn't see that tyranny.

 

[rocket88]

i wonder if brown had survived being shot, or if the event had been recorded on camera, what would have been have been the outcome of the trial.

Me too.

 

[Jack Hays]

This is what I'm talking about - someone who talks about guns being necessary to fight against a tyrannical government doesn't see that tyranny.

I don't believe I have ever posted that guns are necessary to fight against a tyrannical government in the US.

 

[sookster]

I think the whole process of having a trial with a grand jury is to find Truth, or as close to it as possible. They are the most educated on this than everybody, could it be possible that Officer Wilson's shooting was justified? Or are we going to find Darren Wilson guilty regardless of the evidence? Because that is essentially what is happening here in St. Louis. The moment Michael Brown was dead, the cop was guilty - regardless of evidence. We held a trial. They deliberated forever, and they came to the conclusion that Darren Wilson is not guilty. But the black community can't accept that they might of screwed up, so they make Darren Wilson guilty regardless of the trial, plus black people are just as much if not more racist than white people.

I believe in the process of a grand jury trial. If those citizens didn't find Darren Wilson guilty, I trust their competency.

 

[Jack Hays]

They really don't know what happened either, which is why they voted as they did. Lack of clear evidence = acquittal

Actually, it's plain that they believed the evidence was clear. A thief attacked a cop and got shot. Easy call.

 

[apdst]

The case of Michael Brown shows that America is far too protective of those who have been entrusted to enforce order.

Read the article here: After Ferguson: Stop deferring to the cops - The Week

None of us were on the scene when Officer Wilson killed Michael Brown so we don't know exactly what happened.

But we do know that there is a huge problem in the USA between white law enforcement officers and young black males.

Until that problem is sorted out there will be more situations like Ferguson.

Who wants that?

Which side has the problem?

 

[apdst]

A lot of White people don't understand that the police treat Black (and Hispanic) Americans differently. From their point of view, the main or only reason police would use force on someone is if that person did something wrong. That's the lens that they view cases like Michael Brown through. That's why they accept Darren Wilson's story without question. That's why they don't consider that Michael Brown, if he were alive, might tell a completely different story worth listening to. They are deeply invested in their just-world narrative of the fair police officer because that is the sort of relationship that they, as White people, have had with police historically.

Now, there are many White people who reject this just-world narrative of cops. They are critical enough to see that treatment is not equitable. These are the people who will be on the "right side" of history because these are the people who were able recognize and reject injustice towards a group that they do not belong to.

What makes you some kind of expert?

 

[Jack Hays]

But we do know that there is a huge problem in the USA between white law enforcement officers and young black males.

Until that problem is sorted out there will be more situations like Ferguson.

Who wants that?

It will happen whether anyone wants it or not. It's part of the natural process of social integration in the most diverse country in the world. There is no problem to sort out.

 

[apdst]

Maybe that white liberal guilt isn't productive? And that black America needs to put the fire of its own house out?

Can't have that. They gotta, "burn this bitch down".

 

[apdst]

I don't get the impression that "the evidence" means nothing or has been rejected. For me, the issue is that the evidence was never given a chance to be evaluated in a trial and my impression is that this is the issue most critics of the events in Ferguson have. I also don't get the impression that most of those critics believe that there is a conspiracy against black Americans.

The evidence has already been interpreted. The evidence will be presented in a jury trial the same way it was in the grand jury. The only difference between the grand jury and a jury trial, is that most of the witnesses testifying against Wilson won't be at the jury trial, because they've been found to be lying.

 

[apdst]

Some people's minds were made up before the evidence was made public. And their opinions didn't change once it was. That's troubling.

Propaganda is a powerful thing.

 

[SMTA]

The evidence has already been interpreted. The evidence will be presented in a jury trial the same way it was in the grand jury. The only difference between the grand jury and a jury trial, is that most of the witnesses testifying against Wilson won't be at the jury trial, because they've been found to be lying.

You need to actually understand the difference before spouting off.

 

[apdst]

You need to actually understand the difference before spouting off.

Of you need to make a correction, then you need to make it and move on.

 

[SMTA]

Of you need to make a correction, then you need to make it and move on.

You need to learn before posting incorrect information.

Do you know how to use Google?

 

[apdst]

You need to learn before posting incorrect information.

Do you know how to use Google?

What was incorrect?

 

[upsideguy]

A thief attacked a cop and got shot. I don't see a major social issue in that.

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

 

[Jack Hays]

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The specific incident is the only issue. The rest is special pleading.

 

[SMTA]

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

The odds of getting shot by cops is 100% when you attack them first - no color is required, but blatant stupidity helps.

 

[SMTA]

What was incorrect?

Google is a problem for you?

 

[apdst]

Google is a problem for you?

That's what I thought. :roll:

 

[apdst]

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

ALL the black folks who are shot by a cop are just victims of racism?

 

[apdst]

Did it again

 

[Jack Hays]

The major issue is not the specific incident, but the degree to which blacks are more likely to be shot by cops than whites.

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

...and juries are far more likely to side with white cops than blacks

The Deck Is Stacked in Favor of the Police - NYTimes.com

....and, St Louis County has a reputation for being racist and heavy handed with the black population...

Whistleblower in St. Louis County police racial profiling probe alleges retaliation : News
St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

If you do not believe that racism is not alive and well in America then you are not particularly well-informed / savvy.

Racism is an ebbing tide. An even better metaphor for racism might be smoking. Once widespread and public, it is increasingly marginalized and unacceptable in polite society. That is happy news for our country, but it has little to do with the daily battle of police work, where polite society is rarely involved.

 

[nota bene]

Racism is an ebbing tide. An even better metaphor for racism might be smoking. Once widespread and public, it is increasingly marginalized and unacceptable in polite society. That is happy news for our country, but it has little to do with the daily battle of police work, where polite society is rarely involved.

Yes, racism is an ebbing tide, and those who are continually looking for racism under every rock and as an explanation for every damned thing are tedious. And destructive.