According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour [W: 676] (1 Viewer)

[Moderate Right]

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

 

[Carjosse]

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Except, one giant hole in that idea is that many of the families whose main income comes from minimum wage job are not two-parent families or do you still think it is 1952. That assumption only works if there are two parents, which very often is not the case. There is also assumption that they would always get 40 hours week which is also not an appropriate assumption.

 

[jet57]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

Dude: that's silly.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Except, one giant hole in that idea is that many of the families whose main income comes from minimum wage job are not two-parent families or do you still think it is 1952. That assumption only works if there are two parents, which very often is not the case. There is also assumption that they would always get 40 hours week which is also not an appropriate assumption.

Why should buyers of labor be forced to pay a price for it that caters to those in society who have a tendency to reproduce without a co-parenting partnership?

"Nowadays there are a lot of single parents because people tend to pop out kids and then ditch each other, so therefore... employers should pay more!" Not a very compelling argument about government setting prices. Just because single parenthood is on the rise doesn't make the work they do worth some arbitrarily greater amount to the buyer of it.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Except, one giant hole in that idea is that many of the families whose main income comes from minimum wage job are not two-parent families or do you still think it is 1952. That assumption only works if there are two parents, which very often is not the case. There is also assumption that they would always get 40 hours week which is also not an appropriate assumption.

Liberals demanding $15 per hour as a "living wage" don't account for hours worked in a week, so why should I? Liberals claim that $15 per hour IS a living wage without any stipulation whatsoever on how many hours per week that is. They don't clamor for a higher wage than $15 from McDonalds, just because McDonalds only gives their workers 15-25 hours per week.

Many, many middle class families have TWO working parents in order to make ends meet so why should the poorer be any different? Maybe if the poorer had to have two working parents in order to make ends meet, more families would have two parents.

 

[FieldTheorist]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

This is an absurd argument.

 

[humbolt]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Except, one giant hole in that idea is that many of the families whose main income comes from minimum wage job are not two-parent families or do you still think it is 1952. That assumption only works if there are two parents, which very often is not the case. There is also assumption that they would always get 40 hours week which is also not an appropriate assumption.

Wait. It's not 1952? I was two then, and life was great. I had two parents, as well. What happened to the missing parent in the interim between then and now? Where'd he or she go? What was so important that the human life you had a hand in creating has taken you away? War? That, I could understand. What else, then?

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

This is an absurd argument.

Of course it is - for a "socialist".

 

[Carjosse]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Liberals demanding $15 per hour as a "living wage" don't account for hours worked in a week, so why should I? Liberals claim that $15 per hour IS a living wage without any stipulation whatsoever on how many hours per week that is. They don't clamor for a higher wage than $15 from McDonalds, just because McDonalds only gives their workers 15-25 hours per week.

Many, many middle class families have TWO working parents in order to make ends meet so why should the poorer be any different? Maybe if the poorer had to have two working parents in order to make ends meet, more families would have two parents.

That is not how you disprove an argument. Do you think these people only work part time? Many middle class families have two parents and also do not work minimum wage jobs, most likely because they also had two parents who did not have minimum wage jobs. Poorer people do need two working parents to make ends meet but that is not simply the case, very often they only have one parent half the time because they themselves only had one.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

Oh wow! That means that if it's a quintuple marriage - you know, like all us lib'ruls want - then all they need is $3.00 an hour! What an incredible factoid!!!!

 

[FieldTheorist]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Of course it is - for a "socialist".

On snap. You really took me to task. That totally saves your argument from its pure, unadulterated absurdity.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

How many dependents a worker has and how many workers there in a given household does not determine what an employer will pay for that (lowest) skill level of labor. At what point in US history did working a federal MW job for 40 hours per week ever earn more than half of the US median household income (currently about $52K/year)?

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Oh wow! That means that if it's a quintuple marriage - you know, like all us lib'ruls want - then all they need is $3.00 an hour! What an incredible factoid!!!!

Which liberals want a quintuple marriage?

 

[coldjoint]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Except, one giant hole in that idea is that many of the families whose main income comes from minimum wage job are not two-parent families or do you still think it is 1952. That assumption only works if there are two parents, which very often is not the case. There is also assumption that they would always get 40 hours week which is also not an appropriate assumption.

Quite a indictment of moral decline in this country. Wonder where that came from?

 

[sangha]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

"According to liberals..."

Will you ever make an argument that doesn't include dishonest and hackish straw men about liberals?

 

[Carjosse]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Quite a indictment of moral decline in this country. Wonder where that came from?

It is not a moral decline, just much more visible and possible now.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Wait. It's not 1952? I was two then, and life was great. I had two parents, as well. What happened to the missing parent in the interim between then and now? Where'd he or she go? What was so important that the human life you had a hand in creating has taken you away? War? That, I could understand. What else, then?

All kinds of things. For me personally, life got much better after my home became a single parent one. And it wasn't for anyone's lack of effort. Best thing that ever happened in my childhood, probably largely responsible for me growing into a sane adult.

There's a reason we decided divorce should be accepted. Forcing people who are non-functional to live together doesn't make them functional. It just makes it easier for them to hurt each other.

And more generally to the thread, being single even without kids does not imply you have no expenses beyond your own roof. Some of us have had to take care of our own parents. Some of us help our friends and flatmates when they get laid off. Some are sick, or injured, or whatever the case may be, and even if we recover enough to work, in America, the medical expenses bare down on us. Some wound up with a lot more college debt than they expected to after their parents went bankrupt in the recession.

I'm glad your home worked well with two parents. Not all of us were so lucky.

I'm glad you didn't have such horrendous expenses when you were single. Not all of us were so lucky.

 

[Threegoofs]

According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

"According to liberals..."

Will you ever make an argument that doesn't include dishonest and hackish straw men about liberals?

Well, he's just living up to the standards of the 'Moderate Right'...

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Which liberals want a quintuple marriage?

Y'all just do not seem to get satire....

 

[Crovax]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

This is an absurd argument.

Almost as absurd as the argument that an entry level job that requires no education or experience should pay high enough to support a family.

 

[cpwill]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

OK. So, if a family of four has one working parent earning a "living wage" of $15.00 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr) , then if both parents are working then for the family to earn the same living wage, both parents only need to earn $7.50 per hour, 40 hours per week ($600wk or $31,200yr). This $31,200 is actually $6900 more than the poverty level for that family of $24,300 - enough extra to pay for daycare expenses.

Federal Poverty Guidelines - 2016 | Mass Legal Services

It's a funny point, that exists really only to point out the major flaw in the notion of a 'living' wage - there is no such thing. People's circumstances are different, costs are different, requirements and desirements are different. A single guy living with his two buddies in a jointly rented apartment has a much smaller cost of living than a family of five - applying a one-size-fits-not-really-anyone "Living Wage" "because otherwise they can't live" to both the dude and the family doesn't reflect reality.

If they would be honest, it's From Each According To Their Means, To Each According To Their Needs.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

It's a funny point, that exists really only to point out the major flaw in the notion of a 'living' wage - there is no such thing. People's circumstances are different, costs are different, requirements and desirements are different. A single guy living with his two buddies in a jointly rented apartment has a much smaller cost of living than a family of five - applying a one-size-fits-not-really-anyone "Living Wage" "because otherwise they can't live" to both the dude and the family doesn't reflect reality.

If they would be honest, it's From Each According To Their Means, To Each According To Their Needs.

Hyperbolic strawman. Providing basic living expenses for the poor is not equivalent to your religious(?) or Marxist(?) strawman.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

It's a funny point, that exists really only to point out the major flaw in the notion of a 'living' wage - there is no such thing. People's circumstances are different, costs are different, requirements and desirements are different. A single guy living with his two buddies in a jointly rented apartment has a much smaller cost of living than a family of five - applying a one-size-fits-not-really-anyone "Living Wage" "because otherwise they can't live" to both the dude and the family doesn't reflect reality.

If they would be honest, it's From Each According To Their Means, To Each According To Their Needs.

Another funny thing is almost all of the minimum wage workers have learned to live off what they are making so they already earn a "living wage" which includes take home wages, help from social prgrams and the EITC and now, even though those people have been already "living" like this, liberals claim that it is not enough, even though it actually has been.

 

[cpwill]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Another funny thing is almost all of the minimum wage workers have learned to live off what they are making so they already earn a "living wage" which includes take home wages, help from social prgrams and the EITC and now, even though those people have been already "living" like this, liberals claim that it is not enough, even though it actually has been.

That's always my question. If these people aren't earning a living wage, then how are they, er, alive?

 

[cpwill]

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

Hyperbolic strawman. Providing basic living expenses for the poor is not equivalent to your religious(?) or Marxist(?) strawman.

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.