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I am overjoyed to be here. I came from a forum where I was always in the minority and the peple, some of them 15 years older than me, didn't know how to debate past personal insults directed at me.

A Christian, Conservatist, Republican, George Bush-supporter was tough to find elsewhere, but I'm hoping I'll meet a few here.

I am fourteen years old and a resident-native of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I look forward to civil debate with you all.

God bless,
Bax
 
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Well, welcome to the forum!

From your statements, I doubt we'll have little common ground, but at the very least I'll be happy to disagree with you respectfully. :)
 

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That means alot. Thank you.
 

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Welcome to Debate Politics, Baxter! :2wave:

A Christian, Conservatist, Republican, George Bush-supporter was tough to find elsewhere, but I'm hoping I'll meet a few here.
Yeah, we got a few of those. ;)
 

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Hello Baxter!:2wave:

 

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Awesome, welcome to Debate Politics!
 

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Welcome to DP dude. When I was 14, I had my first hangover. It's illegal now. So watch what you drink.
 

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Baxter said:
I am overjoyed to be here. I came from a forum where I was always in the minority and the peple, some of them 15 years older than me, didn't know how to debate past personal insults directed at me.

A Christian, Conservatist, Republican, George Bush-supporter was tough to find elsewhere, but I'm hoping I'll meet a few here.

I am fourteen years old and a resident-native of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I look forward to civil debate with you all.

God bless,
Bax

Welcome to the forum from another fellow Christian and Bush supporter! I admire you for having the courage to come on here at such a young age. I think you'll find most people here are friendly. Enjoy your stay.
 

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So far things here are better than that other place. You wouldn't believe the things they said to me.
 

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lol, yeah. Once I was a member of a democrat blog site, and I had no idea that on a site created for the exchange of ideas there would be so many people who get upset at presenting anything other than echos.
They accused me of being a facist for supporting Wesley Clark!
Doh! :roll:

Glad this was the first site I landed on. We seem to have a lot of folks who prefer to buck stereotypes and speak their minds - even when it conflicts with the popular conception of their "side." And that, quite frankly, rocks. It makes for more interesting conversations.
 

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I will mention that thei crude comments involved my grandmother and my...penis. In the same sentence...:(
 

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Baxter
I hope you don't mind asking, but... are you for real ?
 

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What do you mean? I am a homosapian, meaning I am fully human. I am a Christian. I was jsut repeating the rude things that were said about/to me.
 

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Hello and Welcome! Baxter!:2wave:

just you know that I don't intend to pull any punches cause you're 14, in my eyes you're an adult now,
I agree, I don't care if you're 8 or 108, if you can debate then you shouldn't be treated differently if you're very old or young.
They accused me of being a facist for supporting Wesley Clark!
I get called a fascist all the time, Trojan Octavian Titus calls me one, that Axismaster fellow called me a Nazi. And a few relatives.
 
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Collectivist? What's that, Brian?
 

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Collectivist? What's that, Brian?
Collectivism is a term used to describe any doctrine that stresses the importance of a collective, rather than the importance of the individual. Collectivists believe the individual should be subordinate to the collective, which may be a group of individuals, a whole society, a state, a nation, a race, or a social class. Thus, collectivism contrasts with individualism, which emphasises the liberty of the individual.

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1 Politics
2 Economics
3 Collectivist societies
4 Anti-collectivism
5 See also




Politics
Some consider an early example of collectivist political philosophy to be Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s “social contract”, which maintains that each individual is under implicit contract to submit his own will to the “general will” and that the state should enforce this general will. This notion of an ethical obligation to subordinate an individual’s will to the group will is in fundamental opposition to individualism which advocates that individual action should not be restricted by others.


Economics
Generally speaking, collectivism in the field of economics holds that things should be owned by the group and used for the benefit of all rather than being owned by individuals. Central to this view is the concept of the commons, as opposed to private property. Some collectivists apply this principle only to capital and land, while others argue that all valued commodities should be regarded as public goods and placed under public ownership.

Collectivism in economics may or may not involve a state as a manager and steward of collective property. For instance, anarcho-communists, who argue for the immediate abolition of government, wish to place all goods under collective ownership. In 1876, at the Florence Conference of the Italian Federation of the International, where the principles of anarcho-communism were first laid out, it was stated:

The Italian Federation considers the collective property of the products of labour as the necessary complement to the collectivist programme, the aid of all for the satisfaction of the needs of each being the only rule of production and consumption which corresponds to the principle of solidarity.


Collectivist societies
There are many examples of societies around the world which have characterized themselves or have been characterized by outsiders as “collectivist”.

On the one hand, there are the communist states, which have often collectivized most economic sectors (and agriculture in particular). On the other hand, there are Israeli kibbutzim (voluntary communes where people live and farm together without private ownership), and communities such as the Freetown Christiania in Denmark (a small anarchist political experiment centered around an abandoned military installation in Copenhagen; Christiania has laws abolishing private property).

Democracy, with its emphasis on notions of social contract and the collective will of the people, has been characterized by some as a form of (political) collectivism.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/vbencyclopedia.php?title=collectivism

Synonomous with communalism, communism, socialism, etc. etc.
 

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So basically Communist. I'd say Communism had/has good intentions, but everything got warped and screwed up and it became more like a dictatorship.
 

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So basically Communist
A communist is an accurate description of my ideology, but if you want it more accurately I am of the Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist sect.
I'd say Communism had/has good intentions
I agree.
but everything got warped and screwed up and it became more like a dictatorship.
When it became a dictatorship?
Communism is a very specific set of principles, communism's definition does not change. It is more that the ones who "practiced" it were something else.
 

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Mkay. I was just looking at the minimal privacy and restricted rights of citizens under Communist influence.
 

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Mkay. I was just looking at the minimal privacy and restricted rights of citizens under Communist influence.
How would restrict peoples' rights?

Also by "citizens" you probably mean the people living under a certain nation or state, am I incorrect? By what I mean is that communism adheres to a stateless society.

Also if you do not wish to respond or turn this into something other than a "Welcome" thread, I will understand, I get carried away every once in awhile.
 

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I understand if I may have offended you, so my fault. I have always thought of Communism as places like Russia and China. Dictatorships are more like Cuba and North Korea, but I don't know enough about either to make a reasonable inference.
 

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Welcome to the Forum! I am relatively new myself, so its good to have another newbie!

A Christian, Conservatist, Republican, George Bush-supporter was tough to find elsewhere, but I'm hoping I'll meet a few here.
Well, as an atheist, liberal, Democrat, anti-Bush, I doubt we'll have much in common, but the debate will be fun! Welcome aboard!
 
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