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A Disturbing Picture of Rick Perry, and the Religious Right

solletica said:
Several have already been listed by other posters. Keith Ellison, Rep. from MN, is a Muslim. So he fails #1.
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Okay, I take it that you are saying that you were wrong? Is so, what is the point of all this?
 
I'm curious about your source for this list.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Five bucks says someone on this board who watches Fox News and listens to Right wing hate radio will dismiss DemocracyNow! as propaganda and be completely ignorant of the irony.
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Five bucks says someone on this board who watches anything fringie-left and listens to their "comrades" will dissmiss something. Further, I bet this extremist will have an ironic Che quote as a sig. Probably something about "justice" while ignoring Che's bloodlust, racism, summary executions and massacres.

Oh wait! It happened.

Fox is more related to MSNBC than hate-based sites such as Townhall, WND, Mediamatters and Huffington. Trying to put Fox with "hate-radio" is too funny, given context.

Anyway, fringie vs. fringie has got the be some of the best nonsense around. Enjoy.
 
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ecofarm said:
Five bucks says someone on this board who watches anything fringie-left and listens to their "comrades" will dissmiss something. Further, I bet this extremist will have an ironic Che quote as a sig. Probably something about "justice" while ignoring Che's bloodlust, racism, summary executions and massacres.

Oh wait! It happened.

Fox is more related to MSNBC than hate-based sites such as Townhall, WND, Mediamatters and Huffington. Trying to put Fox with "hate-radio" is too funny, given context.

Anyway, fringie vs. fringie has got the be some of the best nonsense around. Enjoy.
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I haven't dismissed anything in this thread. Secondly two of the more prominent right-wing radio hosts, Hanity and (up until recently)Beck, have shows on Fox News. Roger Ailes produced Rush Limbaugh's tv show. So there is a connection between the two.
 
The difference between Obama and Perry is that Obama seems like he'd be more secular than Perry...
 
digsbe said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a religious Christian and holding office. We need more practicing Christians in government.
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We need better politicians to choose from. I don't care what their religion, race, or gender is... I just want a good president and a functioning Congress and Senate. :shrug:
 
solletica said:
Here are the sole criteria that the bulk of GOP voters use to select candidates in all elections, in order of importance. . .

  1. Candidate's religious affiliation (must be Christian)
  2. Candidate's sexual orientation (must be straight)
  3. Candidate's racial ethnicity (must be either White or Black with no foreign accent)
  4. Stance on homosexuality (must hate gays)
  5. Stance on abortion (must be for banning it)
  6. Stance on gun ownership (must be for allowing it)
  7. Candidate's sex life (must be boring and restricted to spouse)
  8. Candidate's gender (male preferred)

It's important to understand that candidates do not necessarily have to abide by any of the above while in office. They only have to promise it in campaign speeches and create the illusion they support it while in office.

That's enough for a GOP voter.
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1. Candidate's religious affiliation (must be Christian) -- FALSE -- Mark Kirk (R-IL.), Eric Cantor (R-Va.),
2. Candidate's sexual orientation (must be straight) -- FALSE -- Steve Gunderson, Jim Kolbe, Mark Foley, David Dreier, Larry Craig
3. Candidate's racial ethnicity (must be either White or Black with no foreign accent) -- FALSE -- Octaviano Ambrosio Larrazolo, Mel Martínez, Marco Rubio, Matthew G. Martinez, Romualdo Pacheco, Benigno C. Hernández, Néstor Montoya, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Henry Bonilla, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, Francisco "Quico" Canseco, Bill Flores, Jaime Herrera, Raúl Labrador, David Rivera, Patricia Saiki, Jay Kim, Bobby Jindal, Steve Austria, Tom Cole, Charles Boustany, James Abdnor, John E. Sununu, Anh "Joseph" Cao, Charles Djou
4/5/6. Stance on homosexuality, abortion & gun ownership are not (must hate gays, ban abortions, & allow gun ownership) --SPECIOUS-- and opinion not based on facts, unless you can show me where on the GOP application these are mandatory criteria...
7. Candidate's sex life (must be boring and restricted to spouse) --SPECIOUS-- Also an opinion not based in fact, unless you can prove this as well.
8. Candidate's gender (male preferred) --FALSE-- Susan Collins (R-ME), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX),Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), 24 of 77 women in the House currently are members of the GOP hardly evidence of bias to me.
 
Disputatious71 said:
2. Candidate's sexual orientation (must be straight) -- FALSE -- Steve Gunderson, Jim Kolbe, Mark Foley, David Dreier, Larry Craig
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Larry Craig is a homosexual, but he is married (to a woman) and has consistently, vehemently denied his homosexuality, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation. Foley hid his homosexuality, and tried to squelch rumors that he was gay. Gunderson hid the fact that he was gay until somebody outed him. Gunderson was also the only Republican to vote against DOMA. Drier hid his sexuality, pretended to be straight, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation. Jim Kolbe hid his sexuality, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation before coming out. Holding these guys up as exemplars of the Republican party's tolerance of homosexuality, is like using Heidi Fliess to promote abstinence. Condolances.
 
NGNM85 said:
Larry Craig is a homosexual, but he is married (to a woman) and has consistently, vehemently denied his homosexuality, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation. Foley hid his homosexuality, and tried to squelch rumors that he was gay. Gunderson hid the fact that he was gay until somebody outed him. Gunderson was also the only Republican to vote against DOMA. Drier hid his sexuality, pretended to be straight, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation. Jim Kolbe hid his sexuality, and consistently supported anti-gay legislation before coming out. Holding these guys up as exemplars of the Republican party's tolerance of homosexuality, is like using Heidi Fliess to promote abstinence. Condolances.
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You forgot Ken Mehlman.
 
Disputatious71 said:
1. Candidate's religious affiliation (must be Christian) -- FALSE -- Mark Kirk (R-IL.), Eric Cantor (R-Va.),
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Mark Kirk is a Christian last I looked and according to Wiki and other sources. And congrats you got one Jew as a member /clap. In fact you got two.. you forget Liberman.

2. Candidate's sexual orientation (must be straight) -- FALSE -- Steve Gunderson, Jim Kolbe, Mark Foley, David Dreier, Larry Craig
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All hid their sexual orientation with the exception of Jim Kolbe... some what. He was elected as a "straight" and only came out later.

3. Candidate's racial ethnicity (must be either White or Black with no foreign accent) -- FALSE -- Octaviano Ambrosio Larrazolo, Mel Martínez, Marco Rubio, Matthew G. Martinez, Romualdo Pacheco, Benigno C. Hernández, Néstor Montoya, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Henry Bonilla, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, Francisco "Quico" Canseco, Bill Flores, Jaime Herrera, Raúl Labrador, David Rivera, Patricia Saiki, Jay Kim, Bobby Jindal, Steve Austria, Tom Cole, Charles Boustany, James Abdnor, John E. Sununu, Anh "Joseph" Cao, Charles Djou
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Not even the GOP can fight the changing demographics of the US. Many of those people named are hispanic but very few of them are at the top of GOP. In fact some of them are jokes... /wave Bobby Jindal. It does not change the fact that as it stands now, the GOP is the party of the older white male.... and that you can name pretty much every "non-white" person in the GOP topish area, only compounds the problem.

4/5/6. Stance on homosexuality, abortion & gun ownership are not (must hate gays, ban abortions, & allow gun ownership) --SPECIOUS-- and opinion not based on facts, unless you can show me where on the GOP application these are mandatory criteria...
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Show us some GOP members of Congress that are not labelled as RINO by their own, who are for gay marriage, for abortions and want to curb guns and dont come from a blue state.

7. Candidate's sex life (must be boring and restricted to spouse) --SPECIOUS-- Also an opinion not based in fact, unless you can prove this as well.
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Well to be fair, a candidates sex life is irrelevant, and only made relevant when said candidates and their backers start to promote "family values" and "sanctity of marriage" crap and then get caught with their pants down and their dicks up some guy or galls butt.

8. Candidate's gender (male preferred) --FALSE-- Susan Collins (R-ME), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX),Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), 24 of 77 women in the House currently are members of the GOP hardly evidence of bias to me.
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Yea it is getting better ... congrats. And aren't Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Olympia Snowe labelled as RINOs by most conservatives these days and actively being campaigned against by the GOP Tea Party alliance? Was Lisa Murkowski elected only after being kicked out by the Tea Party and had to run as a write in candidate?

As for 24 of 77 women in Congress being Republicans..... not exactly a proud moment if you ask me... Congress has 535 members, and only 77 are women and of that, only 24 are Republicans. Considering the GOP hold the largest part of Congress aka the House by a large margin, and of the 24, 5 are in the Senate, then that leaves 19 out of 240 members... that is not even 10%. Now the Dems have about 53 out of 193 in the house... which is bad on an international level but compared to the GOP.. freaking amazing. In the Senate the Dems also have far more female members than the GOP (over double).... and lets not forget.... women are 50% of the population.

So...
 
PeteEU said:
Show us some GOP members of Congress that are not labelled as RINO by their own, who are for gay marriage, for abortions and want to curb guns and dont come from a blue state.
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Exactly why is it that I need to do more than point out contradictions to the post I replied to with more explanation and substance than the quoted and contradicted material you wish to defend with vague counter accusations ?
 
Disputatious71 said:
Exactly why is it that I need to do more than point out contradictions to the post I replied to with more explanation and substance than the quoted and contradicted material you wish to defend with vague counter accusations ?
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and can I borrow your decoder ring so I can understand what you wrote there?
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Five bucks says someone on this board who watches Fox News and listens to Right wing hate radio will dismiss DemocracyNow! as propaganda and be completely ignorant of the irony.
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I love it... two socialists using "democracynow" as a source. This is akin to neo-cons making claims on RightWingNews.com. :lamo
 
Disputatious71 said:
1. Candidate's religious affiliation (must be Christian) -- FALSE -- Mark Kirk (R-IL.), Eric Cantor (R-Va.),
2. Candidate's sexual orientation (must be straight) -- FALSE -- Steve Gunderson, Jim Kolbe, Mark Foley, David Dreier, Larry Craig
3. Candidate's racial ethnicity (must be either White or Black with no foreign accent) -- FALSE -- Octaviano Ambrosio Larrazolo, Mel Martínez, Marco Rubio, Matthew G. Martinez, Romualdo Pacheco, Benigno C. Hernández, Néstor Montoya, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Henry Bonilla, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, Francisco "Quico" Canseco, Bill Flores, Jaime Herrera, Raúl Labrador, David Rivera, Patricia Saiki, Jay Kim, Bobby Jindal, Steve Austria, Tom Cole, Charles Boustany, James Abdnor, John E. Sununu, Anh "Joseph" Cao, Charles Djou
4/5/6. Stance on homosexuality, abortion & gun ownership are not (must hate gays, ban abortions, & allow gun ownership) --SPECIOUS-- and opinion not based on facts, unless you can show me where on the GOP application these are mandatory criteria...
7. Candidate's sex life (must be boring and restricted to spouse) --SPECIOUS-- Also an opinion not based in fact, unless you can prove this as well.
8. Candidate's gender (male preferred) --FALSE-- Susan Collins (R-ME), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX),Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), 24 of 77 women in the House currently are members of the GOP hardly evidence of bias to me.
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None of those names contradict more than one of those qualifications, and some of them don't contradict any (IOW, your post is riddled with errors). You showed that repubs don't have to meet all of them, but it does show how little variance there is in the GOP
 
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sangha said:
None of those names contradict more than one of those qualifications, and some of them don't contradict any (IOW, your post is riddled with errors). You showed that repubs don't have to meet all of them, but it does show how little variance there is in the GOP
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Your opinion, and I thank you for sharing it, even though I disagree with both the original replied to post and your own...
 
Disputatious71 said:
Your opinion, and I thank you for sharing it, even though I disagree with both the original replied to post and your own...
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Your opinion, and you've done nothing to refute the fact that repub voters are pretty intolerant of their politicians who deviate too far from the 8 characteristics listed
 
THIS is hilarious:

from wiki

Response to 2011 drought and wildfiresOn April 21, 2011, Perry proclaimed a three-day period, from April 22 to April 24, as "Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas" in response to the wildfires then covering much of the state.[132][133]

By late July, 75% of the state was experiencing exceptional drought conditions, as opposed to 10-20% in April.[134][135][136]
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So what we're seeing in the last few pages is "You can't find a GOP politician that doesn't fit these bigoted stereotypical hyper partisan liberal talking points I've listed....and if you DO find them then they'll be insulted, discarded, ignored, or poopooed, so just give up and admit we win because we're liberals so naturally we're always right".

Perhaps some of you don't get how debate works. You can't ask people to name SINGLE person that doesn't match that criteria and then when people give you dozens of names roll your eyes and go "those don't count".
 
Zyphlin said:
So what we're seeing in the last few pages is "You can't find a GOP politician that doesn't fit these bigoted stereotypical hyper partisan liberal talking points I've listed....and if you DO find them then they'll be insulted, discarded, ignored, or poopooed, so just give up and admit we win because we're liberals so naturally we're always right".

Perhaps some of you don't get how debate works. You can't ask people to name SINGLE person that doesn't match that criteria and then when people give you dozens of names roll your eyes and go "those don't count".
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i didn't do that. i simply posted something funny.
 
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