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21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

Should an applicants race be a deciding factor for admission to a university?

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I ran across this Columbus Dispatch Newspaper article from Feb2011 at AmRen's website.

Why is "skin color" still a qualifying factor for college admission in the 21st century?

I suspect these policies are a whole lot more wide spread than just Ohio State and Miami universities?

I thought liberals and the democrat party were suppose to be champions of the victims of racism?

This is a yes or no/black or white answer with absolutely no grey area to hide behind.

You either condone and defend racism OR you speak up and publicly denounce it here and now.

I believe it is safe to assume that any poster who is afraid to cast a vote most likely condones racism.

I have chosen the username to register with your vote, option...Lets find out who walks the talk.

 
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I did smell a rat here, thus, NO VOTE.
Or, after 1,000 or 100 million years of racism against blacks, now, the worm has turned, so how about the same against the "whites" ???
Of course, I know that this is not right, two wrongs never make one right..
Can this "social engineering" fix things ?
ever ??
This is the question...the answer ??
I do not think we know this, yet.
And, I do not buy this business of liberterianism being "superior" to socialiam or vice versa...
We need a balance between the two based on the progression of man.
Freedom - for all, or just some ???
 
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The only way to fight racism is to engage in racism.....brilliant.
 
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

It defeats the purpose of that quote to give preference to someone based on race.

Race should not have anything to do with getting into college or getting a job. Racism is wrong regardless of who does it.
 
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Race shouldn't be the focus. It should be on economic status. Like Sen Webb said from Virginia, he finds it hard to believe that a poor white kid from coal mining country has advantages over a middle class black kid from NY.

The fact is the economic class of your parents has more bearing on where you end up than their race.
 
I voted "Yes." I think affirmative action programs in colleges are extremely valuable...it should extend to scholarship awards and admissions. Look, we continue to under-educate blacks and hispanics. The least we can do is not fail them at the university/college level. I'm all for college populations being made up of the same racial percentages as our country. In the case of blacks, it'd 12.4% (as of the 2000 census).
 
Well, there are many reasons why somebody gets picked, like economic status, parents went to the school, etc. I believe race should be a factor, not the deciding one, however.
 

given the exceedingly high follow on drop out rate - what makes you think that we are helping them by sending them to a college that they are unprepared for, loading them with student debt, and then stacking the deck against them in the matter of actually earning a degree?

look, i'm all for education reform for our lower income earning populace; and it's true that minorities in particular get screwed by our public education system. but setting them up for failure later in the system isn't the answer.
 
pbrauer said:
Well, there are many reasons why somebody gets picked, like economic status, parents went to the school, etc. I believe race should be a factor, not the deciding one, however.
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Me? (I actually surprise myself by this opinion, btw.) I think that until the quota's filled, anyone meeting the requirements of the college who's a member of an under-represented race should be admitted solely on that factor.
 
MaggieD said:
I voted "Yes." I think affirmative action programs in colleges are extremely valuable...it should extend to scholarship awards and admissions. Look, we continue to under-educate blacks and hispanics.
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Who is "we"?

So it's ok with you if a white/Asian kid does extremely well in high school and is told he/she has to go to an inferior college so a black/hispanic kid with considerably poorer grades can attend. I am not.

Why stop there, how about making employers pick new hires based on their color and not their skills or grades.
 
race/sex/religious affiliation should be excluded from every public-funding recipient college or university application process. Educational and intellectual disparities amongst races must be tackled in lower-level education (and by the parents of these students, as well). Admitting a child to college based on their race, despite their achievements (or lack there of) solves nothing.
 
MaggieD said:
Me? (I actually surprise myself by this opinion, btw.) I think that until the quota's filled, anyone meeting the requirements of the college who's a member of an under-represented race should be admitted solely on that factor.
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I am sorry, I don't understand your answer.

If somebody meets the requirements of the college, then they should be admitted.

Are people that meet the requirements denied access normally?

Should somebody that meets the requirements of the college, but are of a race that is plentiful at the college, be denied admittence?
 

Well, what can I say? Affrmative Action had its use back in the day, but now as black people have better and better opportunities, AA becomes less and less necessary.

People should have seen it coming. They should have realized AA would be uncovered for what it is; racism.

Either racism is good, or it is bad.
 
A deciding factor? No. But if candidate A and B are equal, but candidate A is white and candidate B is black I see nothing wrong with letting candidate B in for some diversity. Hell, I probably took some one's spot because I was legacy at BU.
 
soccerboy22 said:
A deciding factor? No. But if candidate A and B are equal, but candidate A is white and candidate B is black I see nothing wrong with letting candidate B in for some diversity. Hell, I probably took some one's spot because I was legacy at BU.
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Chris Rock said:
“I don’t think I should get a job over a white person if I scored a lower mark on the test but if there’s a tie, **** them! You have 400 years head start mother****er!”
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I guess I didn't say it, but thought it. I hold that position assuming that the minority students meet their minimum qualifications. The best and brightest should get a hand up, in my opinion.


"We" are the taxpayers who pay for their education through our public school system. There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one. As for employers? We've had affirmative action in place for YEARS. Here's the Fed's position on it:

U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Hiring - Affirmative Action
 

Re: Inferior colleges.

Many of the "online only" colleges are not ranked highly amongst employers. A 2-year degree from the local community college in marketing would be trumped in a heartbeat by a 4-year degree from a university system. A degree from SMU in business is held in higher regard than a degree from UNT in business, etc., etc., etc. Colleges are ranked on the basis of their academic programs and the rigor with which students must address their studies. In that sense, it is entirely feasible that one college can be inferior to another.

I currently attend a community college. The intensity and degree of difficulty present in my U.S. Govt course paled in comparison to the comparable course my friend took simultaneously at a four year school. Just one example...
 
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In fairness, I was talking about 4-year colleges. A B.A. is always going to trump an Associates...goes without saying. I suppose I could be wrong about 4-year programs. I'm not really sure how snobbish employers are these days about where one got one's degree. But back to the discussion at hand -- affirmative action in colleges. I completely support it even if it means Princeton has room for Jose Gonzalez but not Richard Henry Warren III.


Do you think that employers really care if one got one's degree from Boston University or the University of South Carolina? Maybe one's first job...but after that, it's your experience that matters. JMO.
 
Affirmative action may be discrimination based on race, but it is not racism.

Just as Irish, Italian, German, or Israeli citizenship & immigration policies favoring people of certain ancestries & religions over others, is also not racism or ethinic or religious bigotry.
 

This is entirely correct. Using race as a shortcut for economic status is just lazy, but it also pinpoints the problem that race is still often an indicator of economics. It's sort of still a valid tactic, though the question should deal with economics, not with race.
 
I can't disagree with you more. Race should not be a factor to consider when evaluating college applications.

The fact that the fed govt uses racist policies to fill positions is beyond deplorable. I was talking about private businesses...should they be required to have a workforce identical to the demographics of the country? If so, we no longer live in a free country.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you think that employers really care if one got one's degree from Boston University or the University of South Carolina? Maybe one's first job...but after that, it's your experience that matters. JMO.
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Experience does matter, but my degree from Boston University opens me up to more chanes to get that experience. But it also makes a difference when applying to other schools. My 3.3 from BU looks better than my friends 3.3.
 
Just because you think it isn't, doesn't make it so. How do you define racism?
 
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