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2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #1397]

The alternative to Trump was more of the same. From an unconvicted felon. No real choice.

They're both criminals. I'm just disappointed we didn't get the one that isn't an outrageous assault on human decency.

Racism and sexism abound. And 55 million people voted for that.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

Absolutely true. I keep saying it... in a democracy when you vote you deserve what you get.

The monolithic black vote put their foot down in the primary and gave us Hillary as a candidate in the general so they deserve the trump presidency we got now.
The latino vote turned out to be lackluster as hell... they deserve trump.
The uneducated white women vote that backed Trump deserves a SCOTUS that will overturn of Rowe vs Wade.
The Christian conservatives deserve this whatever religious stripe Trump claims to be.

Cons may have turned out in force to vote AGAINST Hillary, but now we are going to live with what they voted FOR. It's going to be interesting to say the least.

dude..... your over compensating
 
This swing was harder than most. This will probably ensure at least a 6-3 conservative split on the supreme court... for decades. And it will help ensure that the large over-representation that Republicans enjoy now will get much larger when they gerrymander in 2020 even more. Sure the pendulum will go back, but not anytime soon. Not when we can have bigger, better and more powerful Citizens United rulings and the like.

Gerrymandering is always an excuse when the left loses an election as if the left never Gerrymandered. Some people simply will never get it as they are used to having robots on their side as evidenced by the inner city votes. Most people aren't robots thus gerrymandering isn't the issue the left wants to make it out to be. Most Americans are good people and most Americans see what is going on in this country today and don't like it. the Obama Hillary results were ignored by the media and you. I do suggest learning actually how to do some DD
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

dude..... your over compensating

For what? Did I say something that was wrong? Elections have consequences. And that is how it happened.
 
I truly have no idea what you're talking about. Ignoring results and buying rhetoric?

I don't like Clinton and never have - I didn't vote for her. She's unlikeable and I disagree with many of her policies. She's a competent politician who would keep us on the status quo, which I also don't particularly like.

I also think Trump is just a plain disgusting human being, though. His financial policies make very little sense. People may want radical changes, but jeez, check to make sure they have a chance of working instead of just blindly being different. Different doesn't mean better. It's acceptable to react in rash ways to those emotions as a child. Not as an adult with responsibility.

Yes, you buy rhetoric and ignore substance. Trump has actual results that Hillary never had. You think he is disgusting but I see a different side of him and that side was shown last night during his victory speech. Why do you think Trump's policies won't work? Stop buying the media spin, look at American history including the foundation upon which this country was built and realize it isn't what Obama has tried to create
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

And yet what about the Supreme Court? I agree that Trump likely wouldn't pursue those sorts of things, but who he nominates can result in changes without his involvement, or support. Right?

As things stand today, Trump will nominate Scalia's replacement - which means that the Court will be balanced again. The death or retirement of RBG is what people should be concerned about. I think the future of SCOTUS as a conservative court is a certainty (unless RBG miraculously clings to life until a Democratic President and Senate can replace her) but conservative on what issues? Trump is not a conservative religious extremist like Mike Pence. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that he could choose a social moderate, someone cut from the same cloth as Kennedy to replace RBG.
 
The popular vote does not elect the President because we have a mechanism that goes back over 230 years at a time when the average persons vote was denied and the elites wanted to make sure their voice was the determining one.

So today we have a rigged system that benefits voters in small states and penalizes voters in large states.

Must be tough on people like you who find it harder to manipulate the rural population and fly over country than it is to manipulate people in the inner city. The political machine lost yesterday, good riddance
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

For what? Did I say something that was wrong? Elections have consequences. And that is how it happened.

because you have complied your list of the races for their voting and blaming a faction in each one

already on the forum i have read of peopling wishing others death
 
Gerrymandering is always an excuse when the left loses an election as if the left never Gerrymandered. Some people simply will never get it as they are used to having robots on their side as evidenced by the inner city votes. Most people aren't robots thus gerrymandering isn't the issue the left wants to make it out to be. Most Americans are good people and most Americans see what is going on in this country today and don't like it. the Obama Hillary results were ignored by the media and you. I do suggest learning actually how to do some DD

You know there are actual statistics and stuff. Like how in 2012 more people voted for democrats for house of rep but remain in the minority. That's the effect of gerrymandering. Celebrate all you want with your condescension, but facts are facts.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

Trump is not a conservative in most any way. He's personally, I'd say, on the hedonistic side of the libertarian political scale. I'm somewhat surprised social conservatives voted for him - if he's anything, he's not socially conservative - but then, Hillary is the anti-Christ to most social conservatives so that probably swung the scales his way.

What you can be hopeful of/for is that Trump has spent a lifetime making "deals" of one kind or another. You've just spent 8 years with a President whose rigidity on policy and politics made it impossible for congressional legislators to join him or he join them in any meaningful way. It's possible, and I'd say likely, that Trump will be far more capable in that regard and more like Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and even GW Bush, in getting Congress to work with him to get things moving. Part of strong leadership is being able to inspire or coerce others to come along with you - being stubborn and obstinate, my way or nothing in the Obama mold, gets you nowhere fast.

And to our friends on the left who are concerned about abortion rights, gay rights, etc., Donald Trump isn't the guy you should be afraid of. I'm almost certain that there will be precious little if anything that is initiated by the White House that is even remotely related to what I can "bedroom" issues. The man is anything but a religious puritan, so no need to push the fear that all is lost with a Trump Presidency.

That's what I'm hoping.

It is in the conservative tradition to campaign using gay/abortion/religion wedge issues, whenever convenient, and then just leaving that by the wayside after getting elected. Let's hope that tradition stands.

When I listened to Trump passing out the kudos, I noticed the first "thank you's" were to his mom and dad. Then he mentioned his brothers, sisters, wife, children, etc. Then he started thanking those who supported him and did the usual all-inclusive "Arcenio Hall Finger Point" recognition to various people.

The usual GOP conservative type would have traditionally thanked God first. I don't recall Trump mentioning God in his Thank You speech. But, then again, I might have fell asleep. It was late.

I don't see Trump, a womanizing, foul-mouth, casino owner/operator, on his 3rd wife, being overtly religious or socially conservative or sucking up to that crowd.

That's kind of a jab in the religious right's hypocritical eye. That's kinda cool.
 
Must be tough on people like you who find it harder to manipulate the rural population and fly over country than it is to manipulate people in the inner city. The political machine lost yesterday, good riddance

How many congressmen and senators were elected to their umpteenth term last night? The political machine still has you by the nuts.
 
You know there are actual statistics and stuff. Like how in 2012 more people voted for democrats for house of rep but remain in the minority. That's the effect of gerrymandering. Celebrate all you want with your condescension, but facts are facts.

It is you that ignores data, people living in the big cities and being dependent on big govt. are why the Democrats got more votes. NYC, LA, Chicago, and other big cities vote for the same liberals over and over again expecting a different results. Facts are Facts, the People's House is under GOP Control as the People's House cannot be bought like the big cities buy the votes of their citizens.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

because you have complied your list of the races for their voting and blaming a faction in each one

already on the forum i have read of peopling wishing others death

WFT are you talking about? I don't wish anyone death or wish anyone ill. I'm stating simple facts. What did I say that was wrong?
 
How many congressmen and senators were elected to their umpteenth term last night? The political machine still has you by the nuts.

Rural America turned out in droves last night and kicked out the establishment. I continue to be for term limits at the national level just like the states. I am also very happy I live in TX with its part time legislature that truly depicts the Govt. our Founders created
 
I think it's appropriate to congratulate Trump supporters, and so: congratulations. I sincerely hope that things will turn out well.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

WFT are you talking about? I don't wish anyone death or wish anyone ill. I'm stating simple facts. What did I say that was wrong?

i did not say you, i said already in the forum iam seeing the wishing of death to people because of last night.

people thought things were in the bag and now that its not, its the blame game in full swing
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

That's what I'm hoping. It is in the conservative tradition .
I hope the same, and agree. But it's Trump right, he's not traditional. He's a wild card, I think our guesses are good based on what we want to happen, but then, he won the election too.
 
Rural America turned out in droves last night and kicked out the establishment. I continue to be for term limits at the national level just like the states. I am also very happy I live in TX with its part time legislature that truly depicts the Govt. our Founders created

All of the incumbents except in Illinois retained their seats. The establishment was re-elected not kicked out.
 
Rural America turned out in droves last night and kicked out the establishment. I continue to be for term limits at the national level just like the states. I am also very happy I live in TX with its part time legislature that truly depicts the Govt. our Founders created

well you got what you wanted, now your better hold their feet to the fire, or you will have another 2008 election year again.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

i did not say you, i said already in the forum iam seeing the wishing of death to people because of last night.

people thought things were in the bag and now that its not, its the blame game in full swing

I don't wish anyone ill.

The black vote didn't turn out
The latino vote didn't turn out
The uneducated women voted stronger for trump than anyone expected them to.

This isn't blame. These are undeniable facts. And elections have consequences.
 
Bill is originally from Arkansas. Hillary originally born in Chicago.

Do you really not understand Hillary was the first lady of Arkansas?

It doesn't matter where she was born, it matters where she lived her political life.
 
They're both criminals. I'm just disappointed we didn't get the one that isn't an outrageous assault on human decency.

Racism and sexism abound. And 55 million people voted for that.

Trump a criminal? I don't think so. Trump is an exploiter of the system. That's not illegal. The Clinton's have exploited the system. Often on the wrong side of the line.
 
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