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2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #1397]

you're kidding right? That was his whole spiehl, like the whole thing. A nationalist sentiment rooted in white male privelage and anti globalization. Please tell me you understood your own candidates platform.

If bringing back jobs is going backwards, then yes I guess he will go backwards.
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

I don't wish anyone ill.

The black vote didn't turn out
The latino vote didn't turn out
The uneducated women voted stronger for trump than anyone expected them to.

This isn't blame. These are undeniable facts. And elections have consequences.

i am sure you dont wish anyone ill will

i know your unhappy, and we will see many people who are very angry for a little while.
 
well you got what you wanted, now your better hold their feet to the fire, or you will have another 2008 election year again.

The American people spoke last night and through out the establishment. Hillary got booted out of hopefully politics and I won't have to watch her miserable face on TV any more. It is morning again in America as the Establishment and the media lost. Good Riddance
 
I think it's appropriate to congratulate Trump supporters, and so: congratulations. I sincerely hope that things will turn out well.

Yesterday I challenged a couple of Trump supporters to accept Hillary Clinton as their president. Neither one told me they would and suggested I would not do the same. I posted the following in response as it well articulates how I feel this morning...

"I challenged you to accept the "Will of the People", but you told me you would not. Well, the shoe is on the other foot. So, I am here to tell you the I do accept the Will of the People to elect Donald Trump as my President. While I think we made a terrible choice as I don't believe he can do the job, I nonetheless wish him success.

I am certainly embarrassed that I was wrong in my assertion that there was no way he could be elected. Yesterday I did not want to be wrong on that, as I thought I was right on his incompetence. But, given I was wrong on the former, I now pray that I am wrong on the latter as well.

Good luck, Mr. President-Elect"
 
All of the incumbents except in Illinois retained their seats. The establishment was re-elected not kicked out.

The establishment has new leadership and hopefully will change. Rural America, Fly Over country, has now been heard
 
Re: 2016 Presidential Election night discussion [Read #758]

i am sure you dont wish anyone ill will

i know your unhappy, and we will see many people who are very angry for a little while.

I am displeased with the results for sure. I just want to get it going. Many people really wanted this and I want to see what they voted for in effect. Let's get this rolling. Let's see if he makes America Great Again. Or if they were wrong. Let's just find out.
 
The American people spoke last night and through out the establishment. Hillary got booted out of hopefully politics and I won't have to watch her miserable face on TV any more. It is morning again in America as the Establishment and the media lost. Good Riddance

while i agree with you on hillary, and i hope i dont see her face in d.c. any longer, the political machine which was there is still there.

to me, a sign of progress from trump would be the repealing of Obamacare, cleaning out the executive branch of government with a lot of firings and enforcing the law to the letter.
 
Obviously very disappointed at the outcome, but personally, as a straight, white, wealthy white guy, I think I'm going to be ok.

There are plenty of other people who I'm far more worried for. When female/latino/black/transgender/gay/etc people voted for Hillary, it was because there is a very real threat of their civil liberties being taken away. Not because they didn't trust someone’s emails. I sincerely hope they will be ok.

Good luck to Trump.
 
Yesterday I challenged a couple of Trump supporters to accept Hillary Clinton as their president. Neither one told me they would and suggested I would not do the same. I posted the following in response as it well articulates how I feel this morning...

"I challenged you to accept the "Will of the People", but you told me you would not. Well, the shoe is on the other foot. So, I am here to tell you the I do accept the Will of the People to elect Donald Trump as my President. While I think we made a terrible choice as I don't believe he can do the job, I nonetheless wish him success.

I am certainly embarrassed that I was wrong in my assertion that there was no way he could be elected. Yesterday I did not want to be wrong on that, as I thought I was right on his incompetence. But, given I was wrong on the former, I now pray that I am wrong on the latter as well.

Good luck, Mr. President-Elect"

Classy response. I am however surprised that you were easily indoctrinated by the Hillary Clinton political machine and the media. Results matter in your world as well as the real world. Hillary's results speak for themselves but were ignored. In the end change was demanded and there was no way we would get that change thus the status quo of high debt, dependence would have continued
 
Obviously very disappointed at the outcome, but personally, as a straight, white, wealthy white guy, I think I'm going to be ok.

There are plenty of other people who I'm far more worried for. When female/latino/black/transgender/gay/etc people voted for Hillary, it was because there is a very real threat of their civil liberties being taken away. Not because they didn't trust someone’s emails.

many people dont agree here
 
Trump isn't doing any better with blacks or latinos than W Bush did, in fact he's doing worse than Bush with latino's.

I don't think Trump broke any barriers with those voters, it's just that Hillary Clinton sucked.

You have something to back that up, I assume.
 
while i agree with you on hillary, and i hope i dont see her face in d.c. any longer, the political machine which was there is still there.

to me, a sign of progress from trump would be the repealing of Obamacare, cleaning out the executive branch of government with a lot of firings and enforcing the law to the letter.

I think this ginormous slap in the face of the clinton machine will emblolden the crap out of the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren progressive wing of the Democratic Party. As much as it was a vote for trump or against hillary... within the dem party I think it will turn into a vote of no confidence for that yesteryear clintonian "third-way" politics. That train failed epically last night and I don't see it recovering.

The other option would be that the dem party thinks they need to move hard to the right. That would be an even worse mistake. There is already a party over there and mimicking them won't win the dems anything.
 
He asked how we would be moving backwards. For the last 30 or so years, since the fall of the wall, we have been interconnecting global economies. Making them interdependent. It's literally lifted a billion people above the global poverty line, which is below our poverty line. In other words, America has been making sacrifices at home for future gains in a stable world economy. That is ehat I mean by globalization, Trump has made it clear he will be backing off that to a more fifties esque nationalistic approach, in other words moving backwards on the path we've travelled so far.

What do you think Make America Great Again refers to? And while I think its a bad move, I have repeatedly said I will support the President, so why are you trying to convince me of something Im not opposing? I just think we should all be clear on what is about to happen. That is all.

If that is what America needs right now, and it looks like it does, than that is what needs to happen.

You can't sacrifice everything at home to help out the world and let the home die.

That helps out no one.
 
So we will end up - yet again - with a Republican President who lost the popular vote of the American people. Or to put it another way, Trump will join George Bush and the last two Republicans to take the White House both finished second in the popular vote.

I taught American government for 33 years. So spare me the armchair lectures about the wonders of the Electoral College. I know it well. I also know that this is a prescription for disaster as it only makes cynics out of voters who do not understand it or know it well. And the central pillar of our system is the faith citizens have in our system.

The EC right the system in favor of the smaller states over the larger. That is simply a fact of arithmetic.

If every cloud has a silver lining, let us hope that reform of the EC is this years shining benefit.

It will not be as the Republicans will NEVER change a system which benefits them and punishes their opponents.

How do you figure Hillary won the popular vote.

The last I saw Trump was ahead by 1M.

Did that change over night?
 
I think this ginormous slap in the face of the clinton machine will emblolden the crap out of the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren progressive wing of the Democratic Party. As much as it was a vote for trump or against hillary... within the dem party I think it will turn into a vote of no confidence for that yesteryear clintonian "third-way" politics. That train failed epically last night and I don't see it recovering.

The other option would be that the dem party thinks they need to move hard to the right. That would be an even worse mistake. There is already a party over there and mimicking them won't win the dems anything.

I am so sick and tired of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders with their socialist agenda. This country wasn't built on those principles and the more embolden they get the worse it is going to be for Democrats. The people do not want Socialism as evidenced by kicking out the establishment and rejecting Obamanomics
 
Actually, Trump won the popular vote as well. By close to a million votes last I checked. So either way, Trump is the victor here.

The excuses have started.
 
What don't many people agree with? The reasons for their voting?

you mentioned civil liberties, which are civil rights, which by the constitution are ..privileges.

privileges are created by government, and the problem is government is creating privileges for the people on the private property of Citizens, which they have no authority to do.
 
So we will end up - yet again - with a Republican President who lost the popular vote of the American people. Or to put it another way, Trump will join George Bush and the last two Republicans to take the White House both finished second in the popular vote.

I taught American government for 33 years. So spare me the armchair lectures about the wonders of the Electoral College. I know it well. I also know that this is a prescription for disaster as it only makes cynics out of voters who do not understand it or know it well. And the central pillar of our system is the faith citizens have in our system.

The EC right the system in favor of the smaller states over the larger. That is simply a fact of arithmetic.

If every cloud has a silver lining, let us hope that reform of the EC is this years shining benefit.

It will not be as the Republicans will NEVER change a system which benefits them and punishes their opponents.

Actually, Trump won the popular vote. I didn't vote for Trump. My vote was for Gary Johnson. However, I do see why Trump won this election. People are pissed and wanted change. At this point, I am going to take a wait and see attitude, and see if he does what he said he would do. For right now, Trump is my president, and I am going to give him a chance.
 
So we will end up - yet again - with a Republican President who lost the popular vote of the American people. Or to put it another way, Trump will join George Bush and the last two Republicans to take the White House both finished second in the popular vote.

I taught American government for 33 years. So spare me the armchair lectures about the wonders of the Electoral College. I know it well. I also know that this is a prescription for disaster as it only makes cynics out of voters who do not understand it or know it well. And the central pillar of our system is the faith citizens have in our system.

The EC right the system in favor of the smaller states over the larger. That is simply a fact of arithmetic.

If every cloud has a silver lining, let us hope that reform of the EC is this years shining benefit.

It will not be as the Republicans will NEVER change a system which benefits them and punishes their opponents.

ahh the Electoral Collage the founders put in place;)
 
It's like the 2008 recession never happened with you types. Trump is inheriting relative Utopia compared to THAT.

Sure he is.

1 percent growth is just great.

You do know it has been 8 years and billions of dollars later, right?
 
you mentioned civil liberties, which are civil rights, which by the constitution are ..privileges.

privileges are created by government, and the problem is government is creating privileges for the people on the private property of Citizens, which they have no authority to do.

Ok, so when female/latino/black/transgender/gay/etc voted, they voted because there is a very real threat that their 'privilege' of being treated like straight white dudes will be taken away. Their 'privilege' to marry whomever they want. Their 'privilege' to bodily autonomy, their 'privilege' to self determination.

In many cases these people haven't had their 'privileges' for very long. I wish Trump the best, but I also hope Trump doesn't take them away.

Actually, Trump won the popular vote. I didn't vote for Trump. My vote was for Gary Johnson. However, I do see why Trump won this election. People are pissed and wanted change. At this point, I am going to take a wait and see attitude, and see if he does what he said he would do. For right now, Trump is my president, and I am going to give him a chance.

Most places I see (CNN, Google, NYT, Fox) have HRC ahead on the popular vote
 
No matter who won, Satan or Jezebel, I was going to be unhappy. But that said, watching the Clinton machine go down in flames was a big assed bonus for me. I hope we never see the Clintons again after this. Either of them. She is a very bad woman. Leave it to the Dems and the Republicans to each put up the one candidate that would keep people away.

There is still one more, and they taught her everything they know.
 
I'm embarrassed for America but yesterday we proved we deserve it.

The professional pollsters and Hillary supporters all had Hillary winning every battleground state with the exception of Ohio where they had them tied

Lol ! Way to totally ignore the last midterms, way to ignore the huge turnouts at the Trump rallies and the lack of enthusiasm for Hillary

When Cain had 30 people turn out at one event that should have set off alarm bells inside the Clinton camp. But those people live in a alternate universe apparently

They got their wake up call last night. To think, the rust belt states rejected their Union leaders and Union roots.
 
I bet big time donations to the Clinton Foundation inexplicably dwindle.
 
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