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‘I trusted you!’ Trump voters seethe after realizing they’re getting screwed by the GOP’s tax plan

Nap said:
Why are you against paying your fair share? Funny how Democrats are always about people paying more in taxes until the bill hits their mailbox. :p
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Who determines what is "fair?" You?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Who determines what is "fair?" You?
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If 2 people both earn a 55k salary, is it fair to you that one gets to pay less in federal taxes because he live in a state where they voted in higher state taxation thus shifting more of the federal burden on to the other person (especially considering it was the person voting for higher taxation at the state level that also voted in the people raising federal taxes). I think it is perfectly fair to hold people accountable to the policies that they helped enact. If you want lower taxes, stop voting for those that want to raise them.
 
Nap said:
Why are you against paying your fair share? Funny how Democrats are always about people paying more in taxes until the bill hits their mailbox. :p
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As a resident of a high income -high tax state I pay my fair share to make sure that low-income workers have a minimum wage which puts them above the federal poverty line and have better access to education that gives them better protection against poverty and makes them less likely to become dependent on the federal government subsidizing their income. So, I do not want on top of what I do for the poor of my state to have to pay for the poor conservatives in the South who are screwed by the residents in those "right to work" and low minimum wage states which do not pay their working poor enough to lift them above the federal poverty level, and do not give them enough educational opportunities to avoid poverty. The well off and middle-class in those states are the ones which need to pay their "fair share" to take care of the social problems of their population before coming to me asking (through the federal government) for additional help.
 
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pamak said:
As a resident of a high income -high tax state I pay my fair share to make sure that low-income workers have a minimum wage which puts them above the federal poverty line and have better access to education that gives them better protection against poverty and makes them less likely to become dependent on the federal government subsidizing their income. So, I do not want on top of what I do for the poor of my state to have to pay for the poor conservatives in the South who are screwed by the residents in those "right to work" and low minimum wage states which do not pay their working poor enough to lift them above the federal poverty level, and do not give them enough educational opportunities to avoid poverty. The well off and middle-class in those states are the ones which need to pay their "fair share" to take care of the social problems of their population before coming to me asking (through the federal government) for additional help.
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I don't remember people of Red states coming and asking for any help. In fact, people in Red states vote for politicians running on limiting the expansion and making cuts to the social safety net. If you got a problem with federal money going to Red states then maybe you should take it up with the politicians your state sends to DC who are implementing these policies. In other words you are simply getting what you voted for.
 
Nap said:
I don't remember people of Red states coming and asking for any help. In fact, people in Red states vote for politicians running on limiting the expansion and making cuts to the social safety net. If you got a problem with federal money going to Red states then maybe you should take it up with the politicians your state sends to DC who are implementing these policies. In other words you are simply getting what you voted for.
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Yes, they do come for help!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ap-fact-check-blue-high-tax-states-fund-red-low-tax-states

In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending. Most low-tax states make a profit from the federal government's system of taxing and spending.
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Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington.


I am not saying that all red states are like that. Still, there are too many red states on the dole. Why should liberals in blue states who were mocked by many conservatives and were called "socialists " for passing laws that were increasing minimum wage or state grants for students should pay more for the needs of those states which are on the federal dole? Did not the conservatives in these states argue that their system is better and superior to "socialism"? If this is the case, then they should be able to address their problems without getting more money from the federal government than what they contribute.
 
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I tip my hat to Trump. It's pretty hard to screw the middle class while giving yourself a massive tax cut AND have republicans defend you to the death all in the light of day.

Well done Mr. President. Sweet con job.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, many of those taxes such as sale & income taxes are indeed deductible.
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For some higher income people that is true, yet most cannot benefit by itemizing deductions. That is the game being played by congress critters - pretend to have a (very?) progressive income tax system and then allow all manner of deductions, credits and exclusions to those with the higher bracket rates.
 
Yup, saw it in my return as well. That was part of the scam for the midterms. They took less money out of your checks so people think they got more, and then either their return was significantly less or many people owed.

It doesn't matter, right wingers are so dumb or deluded, that they will continually fall for the same BS tactics republicans have been using for years. Buy votes with temporary tax breaks while giving most to the rich, and go on and on about abortion and illegal immigration but never actually do anything because that would take away their carrot they use to dupe their dumb base
 
Winston said:
Conservatives.. come on! We told ya!
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You think they care? We told them Iraq was a horrible idea, and here we are many years later still paying for it. We told them Trump was an incompetent, corrupt, POS who wasn't going to do **** for them, and that was true.

There really is no point, they are such idiots and assholes that no amount of facts will matter. Just look at the dumb deflections and zero intelligent arguments from most conservatives here. Even smart ones will deflect once they get schooled with facts and an actual argument because they don't really care about what the truth is
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump has massively out performed my expectations.

The charging up the Kids/Grandkids/Unborn even more than had till then in our generational warfare program was however a mistake.


EDIT: BTW if you think that these young adults of today and kids will not exact their vengeance for what we decided to do to them then you are dreaming.
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The GOP is killing itself. For decades the leadership has demonized democrats and told their base taxes and government are bad. After decades of listening to that mantra the GOP elected the worst candidate they could hope for and it's taking its toll on the party. The GOP is only concerned about money and power, they tell their base one thing and then do another and it's finally catching up to them. For the younger generations it's about social equality and not money except for the fact they are being forced deeper and deeper into debt just to start their lives. In my opinion, if the GOP does not change, they are doomed to a slow death.
 
rocket88 said:
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/tr...-gops-tax-plan/?utm_source=push_notifications

Remember how we said this wasn't good for middle class taxpayers. All the conservatives here were like "No, your taxes went down. Hail Trump!"

Hmmm.....maybe you guys were wrong.
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Yeah, our taxes went up slightly from last year. My daughter's, however, went up substantially. She's making about $38k per year, just starting out in life, and she was expecting to get a few hundred dollars back, since her paychecks only went up by about $2 every two weeks. But instead of a refund, she actually owes a few hundred dollars.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Yup, saw it in my return as well. That was part of the scam for the midterms. They took less money out of your checks so people think they got more, and then either their return was significantly less or many people owed.

It doesn't matter, right wingers are so dumb or deluded, that they will continually fall for the same BS tactics republicans have been using for years. Buy votes with temporary tax breaks while giving most to the rich, and go on and on about abortion and illegal immigration but never actually do anything because that would take away their carrot they use to dupe their dumb base
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Yep, I'm not going to sit here and say the GOP did that on purpose, but that formula was changed so less was taken out of their pay checks. But as people now do their taxes millions are going to be SHOCKED to find out that they owe or are going to get much less than they got back in years past.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, I'm not going to sit here and say the GOP did that on purpose, but that formula was changed so less was taken out of their pay checks. But as people now do their taxes millions are going to be SHOCKED to find out that they owe or are going to get much less than they got back in years past.
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The perfect return gets zero back. That means you withheld only taxes due. Why give the government an interest free loan?
 
washunut said:
The perfect return gets zero back. That means you withheld only taxes due. Why give the government an interest free loan?
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IMO the government would rather they owe you, than you owing them. Getting money from people is usually time consuming, complicated and expensive.

As far as the tax payer, there is no interest anymore. So that part of it doesn't matter anymore.. And quite honestly I always overpaid, it was a way to save money and the money came just about in time for planning the upcoming summer's vacation. Kind of like a Christmas Club...lol
 
Mycroft said:
It amazes me how people can be so stupid. I mean, you would think a family of cops, making $150K would be smart enough to look at the effect of the tax cut ahead of time and adjust their finances to their own benefit.

They didn't and now they are crying. Go figure...
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I'll say this much...in my practice I occasionally make some really good money off people who need tax help because they "knew" they were wasting money on a professional when they could do it themselves faster and cheaper.

To be fair, I also tend to make decent money getting people out of trouble because they used a "professional" who could do their taxes cheaper, faster and get them a bigger refund.

From what I've seen, taxpayers in high tax states will take a bit of a hit but most others are seeing a reduction in tax. As you said, a little planning last year should have saved a lot of headache this year.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
IMO the government would rather they owe you, than you owing them. Getting money from people is usually time consuming, complicated and expensive.

As far as the tax payer, there is no interest anymore. So that part of it doesn't matter anymore.. And quite honestly I always overpaid, it was a way to save money and the money came just about in time for planning the upcoming summer's vacation. Kind of like a Christmas Club...lol
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Some people do have a preference getting a big return. But pure economics say that free loans are less than ideal for many that could invest the money,albeit these days returns are fairly low.
 
I already did my tax estimate i saw about a 2k dollar increase in my salary from last year. Go trump.
people trying to itemize are the ones going to get screwed because unless you can overcome the 24k and 15k increases
to the standard deduction it simply isn't worth itemizing.
 
Nap said:
How is that not reality? There are 7 different states without an income tax, if they can do it the other states could as well. Why should they have to pay in more in federal taxes because your state decided to implement an income tax? Isn't it time you paid your fair share?
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How do those 7 states (like Texas) get money from their residents to operate their governments and supply governmental services?
 
marke said:
I don't object to taxes. I just wonder that democrats joy over people who are just unhappily seeing that their taxes are being raised to pay for government excess that has been going on for decades.
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No, we are amused that people who believed and supported Trump are just now getting to reap the 'benefits' of Trump's wonderful tax cut. He promised them a tax cut. They got a cut in the tax rate. He never claimed they were going to wind up paying less. By eliminating the various deductions, he was able to 'cut' their rate, while at the same time get them to pay more. He flashed some cash and picked their pocket at the same time. Well done, well done!

So now, you got a tax cut. Promise made, promise kept. If you wind up paying more because of how they tweaked the deductions and credits, that's not his problem. Take your tax cut and STFU.
 
pamak said:
Yes, they do come for help!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ap-fact-check-blue-high-tax-states-fund-red-low-tax-states

In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending. Most low-tax states make a profit from the federal government's system of taxing and spending.
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Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington.


I am not saying that all red states are like that. Still, there are too many red states on the dole. Why should liberals in blue states who were mocked by many conservatives and were called "socialists " for passing laws that were increasing minimum wage or state grants for students should pay more for the needs of those states which are on the federal dole? Did not the conservatives in these states argue that their system is better and superior to "socialism"? If this is the case, then they should be able to address their problems without getting more money from the federal government than what they contribute.
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Because it was Leftists in Blue state that implemented the policies sending the money to Red states.

You can't create a problem, prevent someone from fixing it, and then blame them for it. This is essentially what you are doing.
 
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