Zohran Mamdani Stuns Andrew Cuomo In NYC Mayoral Primary

[Chomsky]

And they deserve that approval. These are all things the silent Dems support but lack the guts to fight for it. Voters mostly approve of these things.

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Similar to many of MAGA's overarching ideas in the highest general sense, those ideas above are all good. But, it's the implementation that causes the acrimony.

For example, "Trans". Yes, I suspect most believe a trans individual should be allowed to pursue their lives without interference. But does that mean Americans want anatomically males knocking their daughters around on high school athletic fields? It would seem for most, 'no'.

It's all in the matter of degree and implementation. I believe Dems went too far in forcing some of their ideologies, and now MAGA is going too far in the other direction. Dems had it mostly right, though.

Another Dem hinderance is abortion, and it's a big one. Probably most would agree abortion needs to be legal to some degree, including on demand. But in my real-life experience within the Dem Party, not only did many have what I can only call a serious "zeal" for abortion, but there was absolutely no tolerance for any talk of accepting abortion may be a societal necessity even while one personally would likely not choose the procedure for themselves "on demand".

It was extremely uncomfortable to be publicly causticized for one's personal beliefs, even as I was willing to accept others' I may personally disagree with. Consequently, I left the Party (for that and other reasons).

When I was younger the Dems really were the Big Tent (JFK) Party, where the focus was on the big things, the overarching American ideals. And we accepted our diversity of opinion and ideals - as they were subordinate to our bigger common ideals.

Well from my recent personal experience, if you believe abortion isn't personally for you, and you enjoy the shooting sports, you better keep your mouth shut unless you want to be held to a public litmus test. Not a test of acceptance, but a test of your being wrong! No matter how much you're on board with everything else. You'd think a desire to preserve freedom & democracy would be enough to unite around, but apparently - no!

Was my experience unique to my local Party members? I dunno'. I ran into the same problem on occasion at my dog park. There needs to be more acceptance of political & ideological intra-party differences. We're not all in lock-step with each other. That's what MAGA's for. Dems need to be the contrasting antithesis to MAGA's demanded lockstep. Not, simply be another flavor of MAGA.

 

[Deuce]

How is the airhead going to pay for transit costs if he makes city buses free?

Stupid ass Socialist. Him & Cuomo. Seriously NYC...this is the best you can come up with? You morons deserve everything you'll get from voting for this idiot.

Imagine being this mad about free busses.

God, the right really has gone off the deep end.

 

[Questerr]

We've had free bus service to seniors and those on welfare in Vancouver since the 1970's.

Seriously, how the **** do you expect people to get and keep a ****ing job without transportation?

Stupid greedy asshole right wingers......shit in your own pocket

“How can this possibly be done?”, asks the conservative about a policy that has been done around the world for decades.

 

[Ahlevah]

Is that more or less ironic than a man born with a silver spoon in his mouth, who has a long history of screwing contractors and defrauding working-class people, cuts taxes for the rich, and screws lower-income households at every turn, running for President as a populist?

In case you forgot, Trump got 77.3 million votes. A socialist hypocrite might fly in New York City, Berkeley, or Santa Monica, but his ideas will be DOA everywhere else. Hopefully, New Yorkers, as citizens of a city with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel and a worldwide financial trading and banking hub, will be dumb enough to elect as mayor a socialist, anti-Zionist, pro-divestment cofounder of the Bowdoin College chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine. If that happens, he can be inserted into Republican political ads in the 2026 Midterms as “Exhibit A” for where the Democratic Party is planning on taking the country if it takes control of Congress. He’s every Republican strategist’s wet dream.

(Incidentally, it’s a good thing his mother is an internationally-acclaimed filmmaker while his father provided the Columbia University family discount, because annual tuition and fees at Bowdoin and Columbia run in the high five figures. Zohran and his family define the Great Western Success Story, not the pan-African, Leninist utopian dream his parents apparently admired when they gave him his middle name. I wonder how things would have worked out for him had his father not been expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin, whereupon he was given an opportunity to build an academic career critical of Western “colonial imperialists” in the U.S. and the “Mother of All Colonial Imperialists,” Great Britain! Actually, Zohran should probably thank the spirit of the Ugandan dictator if he hasn’t already, because if his dad hadn’t been expelled his mother never would have traveled to Uganda to make a movie about the expulsions, and Little Zohran never would have been born. The cup of Zohran’s life is filled to the brim with irony. )

Yes, because I'm sure there is no support whatsoever for refusing to cooperate with ICE, building more affordable housing, taxing the wealthy, and offering child care.

You present yourself as knowledgeable about market economics, but honestly don’t have a clue about how market-based economies actually work. Neither do many progressives.

A politician may make housing more “affordable” by capping rents or providing “free” public housing like Fidel Castro did, but land will always seek its highest and best use. In this case, rent-stabilized apartments with keys that are not handed back to their bankers will face underinvestment as money that in a normal market would be allocated for upgrades and repairs will instead be invested elsewhere. Smart landlords/developers won’t touch markets with large numbers of rent-subsidized apartments. I mean, why would they when they can make more money somewhere else with fewer activist headaches from people like “Zohran the Magnificent”? Theoretically, it’s possible to obtain a cheap, rent-stabilized apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, but good luck finding it. Most tenants have to be carried out of them with their toes turned up. Even then their surviving relatives have succession rights to those apartment leases, whether they’re rich or not. This might make sense to a socialist, but is an absurdity to everyone else.

 

[Questerr]

In case you forgot, Trump got 77.3 million votes. A socialist hypocrite might fly in New York City, Berkeley, or Santa Monica, but his ideas will be DOA everywhere else. Hopefully, New Yorkers, as citizens of a city with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel and a worldwide financial trading and banking hub, will be dumb enough to elect as mayor a socialist, anti-Zionist, pro-divestment cofounder of the Bowdoin College chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine. If that happens, he can be inserted into Republican political ads in the 2026 Midterms as “Exhibit A” for where the Democratic Party is planning on taking the country if it takes control of Congress. He’s every Republican strategist’s wet dream.

(Incidentally, it’s a good thing his mother is an internationally-acclaimed filmmaker while his father provided the Columbia University family discount, because annual tuition and fees at Bowdoin and Columbia run in the high five figures. Zohran and his family define a great American success story, not the pan-African, Leninist utopian dream his parents apparently admired when they gave him his middle name. I wonder how things would have worked out for him had his father not been expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin, whereupon he was given an opportunity to build an academic career critical of Western “colonial imperialists” in the U.S. and the “Mother of All Colonial Imperialists,” Great Britain! Actually, Zohran should probably thank the spirit of the Ugandan dictator if he hasn’t already, because if his dad hadn’t been expelled his mother never would have traveled to Uganda to make a movie about the expulsions, and Little Zohran never would have been born. The cup of Zohran’s life is filled to the brim with irony. )



You present yourself as knowledgeable about market economics, but honestly don’t have a clue about how market-based economies actually work. Neither do many progressives.

A politician may make housing more “affordable” by capping rents or providing “free” public housing like Fidel Castro did, but land will always seek its highest and best use. In this case, rent-stabilized apartments with keys that are not handed back to their bankers will face underinvestment as money that in a normal market would be allocated for upgrades and repairs will instead be invested elsewhere. Smart landlords/developers won’t touch markets with large numbers of rent-subsidized apartments. I mean, why would they when they can make more money somewhere else with fewer activist headaches from people like “Zohran the Magnificent”? Theoretically, it’s possible to obtain a cheap, rent-stabilized apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, but good luck finding it. Most tenants have to be carried out of them with their toes turned up. Even then their surviving relatives have succession rights to those apartment leases, whether they’re rich or not. This might make sense to a socialist, but is an absurdity to everyone else.

Why do you believe all Jews are loyal to Israel? Why are you anti-Semitic?

 

[Jezcoe]

How is the airhead going to pay for transit costs if he makes city buses free?

Stupid ass Socialist. Him & Cuomo. Seriously NYC...this is the best you can come up with? You morons deserve everything you'll get from voting for this idiot.

He also promises to build more bike lanes.

The Monster

 

[Fearandloathing]

Similar to many of MAGA's overarching ideas in the highest general sense, those ideas above are all good. But, it's the implementation that causes the acrimony.

For example, "Trans". Yes, I suspect most believe a trans individual should be allowed to pursue their lives without interference. But does that mean Americans want anatomically males knocking their daughters around on high school athletic fields? It would seem for most, 'no'.

It's all in the matter of degree and implementation. I believe Dems went too far in forcing some of their ideologies, and now MAGA is going too far in the other direction. Dems had it mostly right, though.

Another Dem hinderance is abortion, and it's a big one. Probably most would agree abortion needs to be legal to some degree, including on demand. But in my real-life experience within the Dem Party, not only did many have what I can only call a serious "zeal" for abortion, but there was absolutely no tolerance for any talk of accepting abortion may be a societal necessity even while one personally would likely not choose the procedure for themselves "on demand".

It was extremely uncomfortable to be publicly causticized for one's personal beliefs, even as I was willing to accept others' I may personally disagree with. Consequently, I left the Party (for that and other reasons).

When I was younger the Dems really were the Big Tent (JFK) Party, where the focus was on the big things, the overarching American ideals. And we accepted our diversity of opinion and ideals - as they were subordinate to our bigger common ideals.

Well from my recent personal experience, if you believe abortion isn't personally for you, and you enjoy the shooting sports, you better keep your mouth shut unless you want to be held to a public litmus test. Not a test of acceptance, but a test of your being wrong! No matter how much you're on board with everything else. You'd think a desire to preserve freedom & democracy would be enough to unite around, but apparently - no!

Was my experience unique to my local Party members? I dunno'. I ran into the same problem on occasion at my dog park. There needs to be more acceptance of political & ideological intra-party differences. We're not all in lock-step with each other. That's what MAGA's for. Dems need to be the contrasting antithesis to MAGA's demanded lockstep. Not, simply be another flavor of MAGA.

Abortion.

So 1980's.

Americans need another option between a no longer grand OLD party and a do nothing party. A third option is what has driven Canada's development since the 60's when we pioneered universal medical coverage. Every gain, every ne program from education to working conditions was driven by that third option - always a threat to the establishment parties.

Americans need to come to understand governments are for more than waging war and getting votes.

 

[Fearandloathing]

He also promises to build more bike lanes.

The Monster

Really?

That as so 90's!

We're removing bike lanes and installing "multi-use" lanes for motorized cycles and skooters

 

[Linc]

You think deporting 10 million people is free?

Once a maga, those like @Roadvirus always come home.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Then we shouldn’t see conservatives calling Nordic style government policies “socialism” when advocated by Democrats.

But they do.

They called Obama a radical socialist for enacting Heritage Foundation inspired healthcare reform. Basically anything to the left of Paul Ryan is socialism... except when you bring up the success of Nordic nations. If Nordic nations are capitalist, then bring those capitalist policies to America. Including:

• Housing First approach: A strategy that provides immediate housing to homeless individuals without preconditions, followed by support services to address other issues.
• Universal Basic Income Experiment: A government trial that provides unemployed citizens with a monthly payment to reduce poverty and encourage employment.
• Child benefits: Generous universal child benefits that increase for each subsequent child, helping to reduce child poverty.
• Social assistance payments: Support for low-income families, including rent, water, and heating cost assistance.
• Housing allowances: Financial support for low-income households to help with housing costs.
• National pension support: Social allowances for pensioners to help them meet their basic needs.
• Education system: Free and state-funded education system that provides equal opportunities for all children, helping to prevent intergenerational poverty.
• Healthcare system: Taxation-funded healthcare system that provides medical services based on the patient’s ability to pay.
• Redistribution and transfers: Policies that redistribute income and provide transfers to families with children, contributing to low levels of child poverty.
• Public services: Comprehensive public services that protect citizens against financial and social risks such as unemployment, disability, and old age.

I'm glad we can now dispense with the Socialist / Capitalist divide and for everyone to endorse these policies. Maybe I'll drop the Socialist badge and label myself a Centrist, now that there is bipartisan agreement.

 

[Jezcoe]

Really?

That as so 90's!

We're removing bike lanes and installing "multi-use" lanes for motorized cycles and skooters

It is unbelievable the amount of political hay made over bike lanes.

Any candidate promising to get rid of the Bedford Ave Bike Lane would get the Hasidic vote

 

[Chomsky]

Young people always like free things and free handouts and expect mommy and daddy to always finance their crap.

This is mostly what’s wrong today: people (especially young ones) don’t want to work anymore (or just parttime) and expect their nanny and helicopter parents to pay up for them, because they are entitled to it …

Sad development.

Young people need to get their lazy asses up and stop voting for the nanny Dems and chaotic antisemites and start getting to work 40-50 hours a week, financing their stuff on their own. Not get free stuff from the government.

Do you draw these inferences directly from the young people your in contact with?

Because it sounds like "Get off my grass" old-timer stereotyped bullsh**, and doesn't reflect the young people I meet in life - including my kids' friends and coworkers. If anything, the kids I run into today realize they need to work harder and smarter than their parents did to effect the same economic success.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You know, there are times when my estimation of a person drops by a slight degree or two when they say something that shocks me (and occasionally raises by a notch or two when that shock is positive). My estimation of @Tangmo just came crashing down like the Hindenburg after having read that. Maybe it is because I am the son of an Iranian immigrant and my hackles were raised a bit higher than they otherwise would have been, but my God, that was disgusting.

Yeah, I just drastically revised my opinion of @Tangmo

I'm not hunting for culprits or perps thx anyway. I fully expected my post would rouse reactions. Of all kind. I'm making my own point thx again.

Well, congratulations, you succeeded.

 

[Chomsky]

One should go back in history and read newspapers from when the first Catholic or Irish or Italian or Jew man got elected ... Bet it sounds familiar to what is being said about this man...

Bingo! I've iterated this earlier. Cf JFK! Ditto for putting Scalia on the Bench!

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, it's the sad and ugly truth.

Deal with it.

Well, @Tangmo , you at least have @Tender Branson on your side.

If you work it, you can probably get the support of the AdF.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

In case you forgot, Trump got 77.3 million votes. A socialist hypocrite might fly in New York City, Berkeley, or Santa Monica, but his ideas will be DOA everywhere else. Hopefully, New Yorkers, as citizens of a city with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel and a worldwide financial trading and banking hub, will be dumb enough to elect as mayor a socialist, anti-Zionist, pro-divestment cofounder of the Bowdoin College chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine. If that happens, he can be inserted into Republican political ads in the 2026 Midterms as “Exhibit A” for where the Democratic Party is planning on taking the country if it takes control of Congress. He’s every Republican strategist’s wet dream.

By all means, Republicans should absolutely run on "the Democrats will lower your rent, make public transportation more affordable, and increase social services" in 2026.

You present yourself as knowledgeable about market economics, but honestly don’t have a clue about how market-based economies actually work. Neither do many progressives.

I love it when conservatives pretend to understand "market economics."

A politician may make housing more “affordable” by capping rents or providing “free” public housing like Fidel Castro did, but land will always seek its highest and best use. In this case, rent-stabilized apartments with keys that are not handed back to their bankers will face underinvestment as money that in a normal market would be allocated for upgrades and repairs will instead be invested elsewhere. Smart landlords/developers won’t touch markets with large numbers of rent-subsidized apartments. I mean, why would they when they can make more money somewhere else with fewer activist headaches from people like “Zohran the Magnificent”? Theoretically, it’s possible to obtain a cheap, rent-stabilized apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, but good luck finding it. Most tenants have to be carried out of them with their toes turned up. Even then their surviving relatives have succession rights to those apartment leases, whether they’re rich or not. This might make sense to a socialist, but is an absurdity to everyone else.

You appear to be confusing three different things - rent controlled apartments, rent stabilized apartments, and rent subsidized apartments. This makes your post unintelligible.

There are more than a million rent-stabilized apartments in NYC - any building with 6 or more units built before 1974 is rent stabilized. At the moment, I live in one of them. It was not hard to find.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It is unbelievable the amount of political hay made over bike lanes.

Any candidate promising to get rid of the Bedford Ave Bike Lane would get the Hasidic vote

No it is not unbelievable.

We went through wars here in the 80s' and 90's as more and more bike lanes were added. Fist fights in the street over 'right of way' where pedestrians were forgotten.

By the late 90's they were ripping it all up and introducing 'pedestrian' zones as walkers were being run down by cyclists and,holy shit batman! they vote too!

Cycles have become passe. Everyone (but me) has an electric scooter or cycle now.

Closing in on 80 I walk every day.

 

[Chomsky]

There is a certain irony in a man advocating for free, universal public education through college, a man whose parents named him after an avowed Marxist and winner of the Soviet Union’s Lenin Prize, but who also ensured that he attended exclusive or expensive private schools, including New York’s “progressive” Bank Street School for Children, where tuition for pre-school approaches $40,000 for a half-day program. If by some stroke of collective lunacy New Yorkers actually elect this guy, he will be a national Republican poster child for progressive, socialist stupidity. They will eat Democrats’ lunch, using his policy positions as further evidence that they’re socialists who’ve completely lost it. On Hannity and Gutfeld, AOC will be old news, like Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. She’ll be relegated to the back of the bus.

Bank Street School

Yet Bernie & AOC draw crowds far exceeding MAGA's. So, it would seem there's some draw.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

There is a certain irony in a man advocating for free, universal public education through college, a man whose parents named him after an avowed Marxist and winner of the Soviet Union’s Lenin Prize, but who also ensured that he attended exclusive or expensive private schools, including New York’s “progressive” Bank Street School for Children, where tuition for pre-school approaches $40,000 for a half-day program. If by some stroke of collective lunacy New Yorkers actually elect this guy, he will be a national Republican poster child for progressive, socialist stupidity. They will eat Democrats’ lunch, using his policy positions as further evidence that they’re socialists who’ve completely lost it. On Hannity and Gutfeld, AOC will be old news, like Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. She’ll be relegated to the back of the bus.

Bank Street School

I never understand this argument, yet I see it from Republicans all the time.

Where's the "irony" in any of that?

"He went to a private school! How outrageous!" This isn't the final scene from 8 Mile - what kind of points do you think this wins?

 

[Cameron]

I think Cuomo had way too much baggage and then ran an excessively negative campaign. Some of the texts I got from him and allies in the last week were as bad as any you would expect from the worst of MAGA world. I can imagine a lot of his potential voters were turned off. Moderates really had nobody half-decent to vote for.

 

[Chomsky]

That particular element of the Right who still to this day insists that Osama bin Laden was the high prophet of Islam, yes.

Look, I am no fan of Islam, but that's because I'm not a fan of any organized religion and like the other two "Great Abrahamic Faiths", Islam is also rife with hardened fundamentalists
who preach a message of global conquest.
But you do not have to look very far to find the counterpart in the Christian world or the Jewish world.
Seven Mountain Dominionists or militant Haredi, take your pick.
America's Project 2025 is funded to a great degree BY Seven Mountain Dominionists and their friendly secular civic associates who are too dumb to realize they are seen as useful idiots.
(See John Thune, R-SD)

These radicalized icons of all three faiths view all of us who reside outside their angry circles as heretics and apostates who must be punished with death in order to further their agenda.
I wager money Mamdani is not cut from this cloth any more than Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London.

His primary victory is a strong signal that the political Right is still ignoring, which as far as I am concerned, is exactly what I hope they continue doing, so that the sting of defeat in the midterms will hurt even more.

Here's how I see it:

10 years ago, the GOP had their revolution. The Dems have yet to have theirs, and it's holding them back.

Perhaps this is the start of the much needed Dem revolution. Present an unabashedly Liberal Democracy contrast to Authoritarian Conservatism. The clear antithetical contrast, the Trump-Bernie face-off that never occurred due to Hillary's coronation.

 

[Chomsky]

Maybe. But then, we have never been given the opportunity. We have only been told that we must always line up behind the most "electable" candidate, no matter how soulless or personally detestable they are. I mean, when was the last truly leftist Democratic candidate to run for President? George McGovern? 1972 was literally over half a century ago.

I think Progressives and Leftists should be given the chance to get onto the field again. Especially since they are the only ones who believe in anything good and act upon those beliefs.

I'm getting to the point, Felis Leo, where I too am thinking I'm ready to give serious progressive-ism chance.

It seems there's little to lose.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

I think Cuomo had way too much baggage and then ran an excessively negative campaign. Some of the texts I got from him and allies in the last week were as bad as any you would expect from the worst of MAGA world. I can imagine a lot of his potential voters were turned off. Moderates really had nobody half-decent to vote for.

You understand there were 11 candidates in the race, right?

At least four of them fit the descriptor of "moderate."

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The Rightwing is already saying if people vote for Mamdani for mayor, they are dishonoring NYC for 9/11.

That would be because those people are bigots. They can have a coke and a smile and STFU.

 

[Chomsky]

Both AOC and Sanders self-identify as Democratic Socialists. Nobody’s hanging the label on them.

Which is kinda' unfortunate.