Compatibilist
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I just saw the racial numbers of those who've been questioned so far and held over to be called back.
15 White
5 Black
4 Hispanics
1 Indian
This comes from HLN who provides IN Session Live Coverage. This Cable TV station capitalizes on covering these big trials and is obviously in the corner of TM. No surprise since they're owned by CNN.
We all know race is the issue that brought this case to the countries attention. My question would be [for example] if they seat 4 whites, 1 hispanic, and 1 black... would that be a problem to the extent that protests begin even before the trial starts?? Also what would be a fair racial makeup and should it be along the lines of population race percentages of local district, county, state... etc?
For instance the state of Florida racial/ethnic groups are White (57.9%) followed by Hispanic (22.5%) and Black (15.2%). This would be close to along the lines of the above.
I know this should not be an issue for jury consideration... but of course it will be.
In fact, I can almost see Jesse, Al...et al. inciting public demonstration
After Dark | HLNtv.com
Most?Most here who aren't in the Z camp are upset about Zs actions, not any racial aspect.
Most?
Bs!
They say it isn't.
But it is obvious it is.
It is a sad statement to even consider "race" as an issue in this case or jury selection.
If we continue with well should a jury be made up of x% this and y% that. we will never get past race issues.
I for one want a jury that will be fair and impartial., no matter the makeup.
:naughtySo you think this is just about race?
Its about stupidity..
George could have gotten a second job and paid his own rent.. Instead he got two big dogs and joined a gym.
Sheer genius.
:naughty
sharon I do not think this is about race.
Those on your side, by calling Zimmerman or those that support him, racist, or by making their racist opinions known, have clearly indicated it is about race for them.
Saying it is about stupidity or something else, is, and has always been cover for their racist views.
Still covering?Right.. George is so smart that he was evicted 3 times and his parents paid his rent.. So he gets 2 large dogs and joins a gym.. runs around at night playing cop... instead of getting a second job.
Right.. George is so smart that he was evicted 3 times and his parents paid his rent.. So he gets 2 large dogs and joins a gym.. runs around at night playing cop... instead of getting a second job.
why do you bring this up?
Playing your style, then TM was so smart his mother kicked him out of the house. Why did that happen?
Truly a shame.Trayvon's parents had joint custody.. Trayvon was with his father for the two week suspension.
Trayvon wasn't 28, mooching off his parents instead of getting a second job and paying his rent.
Trayvon's parents had joint custody.. Trayvon was with his father for the two week suspension.
Trayvon wasn't 28, mooching off his parents instead of getting a second job and paying his rent.
So you admit TM was kicked out of the house.
A unlikely twist you posted. Two week suspension. Now, is that a smart teenager?. TM must not be too smart to get a "two week suspension".
Being "kicked out" was TM words were they not?
So stop the character assination of GZ. Both made bad decisions that night.
as far as your "mooching". If your kid(s) ran into some financial troubles, would you leave them out in the cold? Especially with the collapsed economy the US has experience the last few years
George acquired two large dogs and joined a gym instead of getting a second job.. He spent his evenings running around the neighborhood with a gun instead of working or study to finish his 9 year junior college experience.
Sharon, why are you so non responsive. Why don't you answer the questions asked of you?
Can't you defend TM as the good child? Why can't you explain that TM's "suspsension", if he is such a good kid.
When you fail to answer questions, I will take that as you would leave your kids out in the cold. I also will take it you admit TM was not so good or smart because he did get kicked out of the house.
Of course you're right in a perfect world. But let's look at the reality of this high profile trial.... which only became so [mostly] because of race.
I didn't raise lazy excuse makers like George.
One of my sons is starting a very lucrative new business and has all the help and support anyone could hope for.. and he is a member of NW..
He also has a family ... he isn't running around the neighborhood at night with a gun.. or feeding two large dogs..
Another son has a new restaurant.. carefully conceived and executed.. They work until 4 Pm each day.. net a million a year and have a second child on the way.
I didn't raise lazy excuse makers like George.
Race did call attention to this event.
The event itself has held that attention.
Most here who aren't in the Z camp are upset about Zs actions, not any racial aspect.
Most here???
Unnamed and unsourced "Most here" is not applicable. You are just spreading gossip that favors your point of view
Get serious
I recall reading that there are quite a few small business owners in Seminole County. Usually if a business has to be shut down and affects a person's ability to pay bills, they would be excused for hardship so perhaps they were excused from the beginning? Just a thought.
Hornsby published this (what the jury will look like based on his experience)
Personal Experience
Of the nine trials I have conducted in Seminole County, four have been in front of Judge Nelson and two of those were for First Degree Murder.
Most of my jurors were either educators, engineers, medical professionals, emergency safety personnel, or stay-at-home mothers. The majority of my juries have been white, usually leaning female, middle aged, and parents. I recall having a large amount of small business owners on my venires; but have no memory of whether they were homeowners or not (as the issues were not important to my cases).
While the tangible statistics indicate that whatever venire shows up, it will be favorable to George Zimmerman, my own personal experience corroborates what the statistics tell me I should expect.
What Will George Zimmerman’s Jury Look Like? | blawg
There are a couple on the "pro-M" side who still believe racISM was involved. But they are a minority and I'm sure you've seen me chide them about it.
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