Zimmerman 2nd degree murder

[Excon]

Because making **** up is so much more effective at eluding those pesky facts.

Everybody can see that you employ this strategy.
It would be better to stick to the facts though.

You are making **** up. "Quashing a non existent affidavit was the other," was never said by Wolfinger. What he actually said was:

I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter by Benjamin Crump to Deputy Assistant Attorney General Roy Austin dated April 2, 2012. I encourage the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred.​

Ah... helloooooo? Mcfly?
Just what do you think the communication is that's being denied?
That would be to quash, suppress or overrule an alleged affidavit or recommendation.

What he disputed was the claim in that letter that he was involved with in a meeting with Lee (and possibly family members of Zimmerman) over communication with Serino about his recommendation to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter. He never denied that Serino filed an affidavit.

That is the very communication he is denying.
That is what this hubbub is all about.
A supposed affidavit.
An affidavit for which there is no evidence that it exists.

But let's cut to the chase. You are trying your hardest to dispute the claim that the police department wanted to charge Zimmerman. But Serino, the lead investigator, believed Zimmerman acted unlawfully, wanted him charged with manslaughter, and filed this in an affidavit...

Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: “I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’ The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in midstream.”​

:lamo
Read the article and see what is being spoken about.

In this interview Corey is being asked about the alleged "affidavit or recommendation" from "early in the investigation" and she replies with what?
Oh yeah... she said: “I don’t know about that,”.

Did you get that? She said: “I don’t know about that,”.

She then continues without missing a beat, with the following:

“..., but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: [highlight]‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’[/highlight] The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in midstream.”​

Clearly speaking about what recently happened, immediately before she took over.
And clearly not speaking about an alleged affidavit, recommendation or capias that was supposedly quashed, suppressed or overruled on the first night, because she is talking about what happens at the end of an investigation, not the beginning.

Do you understand that now?

Two separate incidences were being addressed.

The man running the investigation didn't believe Zimmerman's account ... why do you?

You do not know that.
You do not know what he believed or what I believe.

And by the way, you can be certain that Serino will be testifying in court should this case make it to trial.

lol
Big deal? So what?
You think he is going to get on the stand and make **** up like you have been doing? :doh

lol

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

She is taking about what was filed after the initial investigation was done.
Not what was alleged to be filed the night of the shooting, which has never been confirmed, which is prior to the end of the investigation. :doh
And yes, it is disputed.

"I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter ..."​

The meeting would be one event.
Quashing a non existent affidavit was the other.

Nothing more than lies.

Let's not forget, amidst all this distraction of when the affidavit was filed, the salient point you are struggling to impeach is that the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's account and sought to have him arrested and charged with manslaughter.

 

[justabubba]

Let's not forget, amidst all this distraction of when the affidavit was filed, the salient point you are struggling to impeach is that the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's account and sought to have him arrested and charged with manslaughter.

ok, i realize the martin family attorney has been propagating that notion
but what can you cite as being evidence this happened as you have presented?

 

[Wake]

I have a question on this issue.

Assuming the investigation has resolved, would you please post a link to the results of it? Been searching on Google and haven't found it yet.

It'd be appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Everybody can see that you employ this strategy.

You mean point out when you make **** up? Like you did here? Wolfinger denied he had a meeting with Lee (and possibly Zimmerman's family) the night of the shooting and he denied having any communication that night with Serino about charging Zimmerman with manslaughter. He never denied there was an affidavit filed.

When you assert he did, when he clearly did not, how else can one describe what you claim without saying "you are making **** up?"

Ah... helloooooo? Mcfly?
Just what do you think the communication is that's being denied?
That would be to quash, suppress or overrule an alleged affidavit or recommendation.

He implied he had no communication with Serino on the matter on the day of the shooting. He does not deny that Serino filed an affidavit; he doesn't even speak about it.

That is the very communication he is denying.
That is what this hubbub is all about.
A supposed affidavit.
An affidavit for which there is no evidence that it exists.

Bull****. Here is evidence it exists...

"I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request" ~ Angela Corey

:lamo
Read the article and see what is being spoken about.

In this interview Corey is being asked about the alleged "affidavit or recommendation" from "early in the investigation" and she replies with what?
Oh yeah... she said: “I don’t know about that,”.

Did you get that? She said: “I don’t know about that,”.

Your struggles with the English language are scary.

she said, "I don't know about that," in the context that she doesn't know about the specific charges specified in the capias. She's not saying she doesn't know about the capias ... she even went on to say that one was submitted to the state attorney's office.

Here, try reading it again slowly ... this time, in context ...

Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: "I don’t know about that..." ~ Angela Corey

Do you see your mistake now? She wasn't saying she didn't know if a capias was submitted, she said she didn't know if it recommended manslaughter charges. She went on to say that a capias was indeed filed...

"I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request" ~ Angela Corey

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

And by the way, you can be certain that Serino will be testifying in court should this case make it to trial.

lol
Big deal? So what?
You think he is going to get on the stand and make **** up like you have been doing? :doh

lol

I think he is going to explain to the court why he rejected Zimmerman's account of self defense and felt manslaughter charges were warranted.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

ok, i realize the martin family attorney has been propagating that notion but what can you cite as being evidence this happened as you have presented?

"I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’" ~ Angela Corey

 

[sharon]

I think he is going to explain to the court why he rejected Zimmerman's account of self defense and felt manslaughter charges were warranted.

Check this out.

Rare Video Of Trayvon Martin Fighting Video

 

[Simon W. Moon]

"I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’" ~ Angela Corey

Is the affidavit that Serino filed a capias?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

ok, i realize the martin family attorney has been propagating that notion
but what can you cite as being evidence this happened as you have presented?

I think all that we have is the "multiple sources of ABC on the 27th iirc and Reuters single source in early April, (7th?). All that we have besides what Parks Crump have been saying. But their version has raised some objections from the alleged participants which the news stories did not. Of course the news versions did not contain the items detailed as inaccurate. So, perhaps that's the difference.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Check this out.
Rare Video Of Trayvon Martin Fighting Video

Those look like 16 ouncers.

Still they should have gotten the headgear as well.

and the other guy needs to drop his elbows

 

[sharon]

Those look like 16 ouncers.

Still they should have gotten the headgear as well.

and the other guy needs to drop his elbows

Headgear.. absolutely...

I have never seen anyone stick their elbows out like that either..

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I have a question on this issue.
Assuming the investigation has resolved, would you please post a link to the results of it? Been searching on Google and haven't found it yet.
It'd be appreciated. Thank you.

What exactly are you looking for?
A big dump of evidence?
The prosecutors' pc letter?
or what?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Headgear.. absolutely...
I have never seen anyone stick their elbows out like that either..

16oz gloves are good beginner gloves. they offer lots of protection for hands, body, & head. They give you a chance to build up some strength and stamina in your shoulders etc.

 

[Wake]

What exactly are you looking for?
A big dump of evidence?
The prosecutors' pc letter?
or what?

Any objective facts from the presumably completed investigation that I can work with.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Any objective facts from the presumably completed investigation that I can work with.

Sanford has pulled their documentation from the web afaict.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Is the affidavit that Serino filed a capias?

A capias is a request for an arrest warrant. An affidavit containing probable cause must be filed with the capias. So when Corey confirmed that the police department submitted a capias, it is implied that it was with an affidavit since one is required.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Those look like 16 ouncers.

Still they should have gotten the headgear as well.

and the other guy needs to drop his elbows

According to some, here, a bulletproof vest would have been more appropriate.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

A capias is a request for an arrest warrant. An affidavit containing probable cause must be filed with the capias. So when Corey confirmed that the police department submitted a capias, it is implied that it was with an affidavit since one is required.

That's still not the same thing as saying that what Serino filed on 02/26 was the same kind of thing as what was filed on 03/12 (or whenever).

 

[Excon]

I think he is going to explain to the court why he rejected Zimmerman's account of self defense and felt manslaughter charges were warranted.

That is something you do not know.

 

[Excon]

Let's not forget, amidst all this distraction of when the affidavit was filed, the salient point you are struggling to impeach is that the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's account and sought to have him arrested and charged with manslaughter.

Unconfirmed. And disputed.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Unconfirmed.

In some sense I suppose.
But in some sense it's been confirmed more than once.

ABC and Reuters got the same info at two different times. And according to the reports, there are at least two sources [the minimum for multiple]. So that is also a version of confirmation.

So, it's a little more confirmed than Martin starting the physicality of their altercation.

What's more, it something that both verifiable and falsifiable, unlike the Matrtin started it thing which is only falsifiable (afaik).

And disputed.

I have seen people on this board dispute it.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

That is something you do not know.

It's a reasonable assumption given he sought an arrest warrant. Why on Earth would he want Zimmerman charged if he believed Zimmerman lawfully acted in self-defense?

 

[justabubba]

"I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’" ~ Angela Corey

but she did not tell us that the lead investigator's recommendation was to arrest/try zimmerman did she?
isn't that the fabrication/presentation of the martin family attorney?

 

[Excon]

It's a reasonable assumption given he sought an arrest warrant. Why on Earth would he want Zimmerman charged if he believed Zimmerman lawfully acted in self-defense?

You do not know that.