It is sad because you are confused as to what happened.You guys are so confused, it is so sad. The investigation ended on the 26th of Feb, that is when Serino submitted the capias to the State Attorney:
Project Me This!: Trayvon Martin - ThinkProgress.org
Funny then that the SPD thinks that their investigation wasn't completed until the 12th of March. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/TwinLakesTownhomesShootingUpDate2.pdfYou guys are so confused, it is so sad. The investigation ended on the 26th of Feb, that is when Serino submitted the capias to the State Attorney:
Project Me This!: Trayvon Martin - ThinkProgress.org
Serino, the first lead investigator, on the first night, filed a capias with Wolfinger's office (that included his affidavit) for an arrest warrant with homicide/negligent manslaughter charges.Funny then that the SPD thinks that their investigation wasn't completed until the 12th of March. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/TwinLakesTownhomesShootingUpDate2.pdf
The source for your article does not call what Serino filed a capias. It also cites Angela Corey as the source for the assertion about the capias. She refers to teh same March 12th date when the PD turned their stuff over to the SA.
You need to show that what Serino filed as actually a capias and not some other thing.
You are the only source I have seen which calls Serino's affidavit a capias.
Ge that out of the way and we can move on to the rest of your assertions
“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.’’
Sanford cops wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com
Lee said:“Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony,” Lee wrote in a memo posted on the city’s website. “By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based of the facts and circumstances they had at the time.” Sanford cops wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com
I am not denying that Serino filed a capias. I am asking for evidence that he did so. There's a difference.If you want to deny that Serino filed a capias, that it did not include his affidavit recommending charges, that it was not submitted to Wolfiner's office....fine.....just bring forward your timeline...if you have one.
Right, nothing other than his own statement, Wolfinger and Lee not acting on it, and sources from inside the County State Attorney Office.I am not denying that Serino filed a capias. I am asking for evidence that he did so. There's a difference.
You haven't provided anything that shows Serino filed a capias afaict.
I did not notice that statement. Could you please quote it. I somehow missed it.Right, nothing other than his own statement...
I don't have any evidence that he didn't do a thing.What do you have showing he did not?
I did not notice that statement. Could you please quote it. I somehow missed it.
I don't have any evidence that he didn't do a thing.
There's just a hole when we come to the place where evidence that Serino filed a capias instead of some other thing should be.
That's not evidence that Serino did not file a capias. It's just a lack of evidence that what he filed was a capias.
I read all that.SANFORD, Fla. — Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told McClatchy Newspapers on Tuesday.
A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.”
[....]
Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: “I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’ The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in midstream.”
A capias is a request for charges to be filed.
The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.
“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.”
Read more: Trayvon Martin case: Police wanted arrest warrant for George Zimmerman
Trayvon Martin case: Police wanted arrest warrant for George Zimmerman
It is sad because you are confused as to what happened.
Serino didn't file anything that night.
The investigation started that evening and continued.
:doh
You know, they did the reenactment the following morning as part of their investigation. :doh
And then they had to interview the other witnesses. etc.
But somehow you have the investigation ending the very night it started.
lol
:lamo
:lamo
Btw, learn the difference between what has reported and what supposedly happened.
And realize that the accounts are not confirmed.
Why do you suppose Bill Lee quit and the governor got involved?
Police chief steps aside over Trayvon Martin case... Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee said that he stands by his department's initial investigation but that he is stepping aside to avoid being a distraction. ...
But again, the whole claim by bubba that started this part of the debate was whether Serino filed an affidavit for misdemeanor charges. Whether that was included in a capias or "another type of paperwork", the point is that Serino DID file it with Wolfinger. It did exist. That was the charge that Wolfinger did not act on, that Lee said was not supported by evidence.I read all that.
Corey isn't clear about the time that it happened.
Just because Serino filed something saying that he thought charges should be filed doesn't mean that everything which says that charges should be filed is a capias.
And it may have been a capias. IDK. But there hasn't been anything I have seen which says that what Serino filed was a capias instead of another type of paperwork.
It certainly seems that Serino did file some sort of an affidavit.But again, the whole claim by bubba that started this part of the debate was whether Serino filed an affidavit for misdemeanor charges. Whether that was included in a capias or "another type of paperwork", the point is that Serino DID file it with Wolfinger. It did exist. That was the charge that Wolfinger did not act on, that Lee said was not supported by evidence.
How many pages did it take for you to finally accept it?It certainly seems that Serino did file some sort of an affidavit.
Pointless.Where he filed it or other whatnots, idk.
Wolfinger's OFFICE handled the situation, but apparently not Wolfinger himself.
You're not having the same conversation as me afaict.How many pages did it take for you to finally accept it?
All you have been doing is playing little petty semantic games, raising a finger when the word "office" is left out in relation to Wolfinger (as if that matters, this was the biggest case before he left and yes most definitely involved in it) and getting in the middle of a debate between bubba and I. Perhaps it has been you who has totally mispent your time doing nothing but being an annoying gnat buzzing around without having a point. If your only purpose has been to to cleave the difference between what Serino filled with Wolfinger (was it him or his office, was it a capias or an affidavit.....!?!), then your time is wasted.You're not having the same conversation as me afaict.
I have known about Serino's affidavit for quite some time.
I haven't contested it.
Perhaps you're just not reading what I write very closely.
idk
:shrug:
Here's a post from last month, the day that part of the story broke:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tin-attacked-zimmerman-36.html#post1060337893
Perhaps if you re-read what I have been writing in this thread you'll hear what I have been saying. Just a thought.
It is contained in the posts I made.What is your point?
It is contained in the posts I made.
If you can't be bothered to read what I actually wrote rather than what you think I wrote, I am not sure how me writing more would help.
The "hair splitting" that you referred to in re Wolfinger vs his office, is what resolved the issue of whether or not Wolfinger had said that there was no Serino affidavit. I am not sure how you could have read what I wrote and missed that point.
That is what Wolfuinger's objection to the description of events in Crumps letter was about.
Did you read Wolfinger press release which I provided?
Did you read Crump's letter which I also provided?
To me, it's nearly incredible that you had been actually reading what I have written and thought that I have been arguing that the Serino affidavit does not exist. Nearly incredible, but sadly not totally so.
I am quite aware of that. Though it was mentioned in this thread that Wolfinger had disputed the Serino affidavit. I guess you missed that part? idk.It was established long ago that Wolfinger was not disputing the affidavit, that was not his argument, his argument was over whether he met with Lee on that night, the 26th.
Iirc, all that I asked you for was some evidence that Serino's affidavit was a capias thingy as you suggested and not something else. Iirc, there's not been anything presented that actually makes the case that Serino's affidavit was a capias.Perhaps again, as I said, you don't have a point to argue against or with me....and that YOU have not been reading what I have been arguing...bzzz, bzzz.
I realize that. I had to search for it. I mentioned that the post was from last month. I didn't think that you had read it.PS...the link to the post of yours that I was supposed to read was not in this thread, nor was it in response to something I wrote nor did I respond to it....in other words I NEVER SAW IT.
I think it would be nice if everyone always read everything that I ever write.I suppose you think I should read all of your posts everywhere on this forum?
A comparatively compelling argument actually.bzzz..bzzz!
But unfortunately, and as I keep telling you, I had no part in that conversation....and yet you still seem to expect me to follow ALL of yours....everywhere. Such vanity!I am quite aware of that. Though it was mentioned in this thread that Wolfinger had disputed the Serino affidavit. I guess you missed that part? idk.
But, in any case, that what I was responding to.
Again, the affidavit/capias game....it doesn't matter, the POINT was whether it EXISTED in bubba's world.Iirc, all that I asked you for was some evidence that Serino's affidavit was a capias thingy as you suggested and not something else. Iirc, there's not been anything presented that actually makes the case that Serino's affidavit was a capias.
Again, why would I have read that, how could I know?????I realize that. I had to search for it. I mentioned that the post was from last month. I didn't think that you had read it.
That's also why I italicized the word "this" in the next sentence where I wrote about "this thread."
Um, because you seem to expect it from me..NEWS FLASH....I'm not that into you.I think it would be nice if everyone always read everything that I ever write.
Not really sure what my desire for ego aggrandizement has to do with what we're talking about though.
Bzzz bzzz, you are still searching for something to debate with me.A comparatively compelling argument actually.
You are dismissed.
She is taking about what was filed after the initial investigation was done.SANFORD, Fla. — Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told McClatchy Newspapers on Tuesday.
A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.”
[....]
Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: “I don’t know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: ‘We’re through with our investigation and here it is for you.’ The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in midstream.”
A capias is a request for charges to be filed.
The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.
“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.”
Read more: Trayvon Martin case: Police wanted arrest warrant for George Zimmerman
Trayvon Martin case: Police wanted arrest warrant for George Zimmerman
Crump wrote to the federal Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Right Division and alleged that Wolfinger may have been involved in un-ethical conduct by calling the situation that Wolfinger was said to have been in "suspicious circumstances"She is taking about what was filed after the initial investigation was done.
Not what was alleged to be filed the night of the shooting, which has never been confirmed, which is prior to the end of the investigation. :doh
And yes, it is disputed.
"I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter ..."The meeting would be one event.
Quashing a non existent affidavit was the other.
Nothing more than lies.
And yes, it is disputed."I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter ..."
The meeting would be one event.
Quashing a non existent affidavit was the other.
Nothing more than lies.
Because making **** up is so much more effective at eluding those pesky facts.
Why shouldn't we take Wolfinger at his word that he is talking about what he says he is talking about?
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