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YoungConserv said:
The ar15 was in the trunk of the car so it killed 0 kids he did all Of that with two pistols.
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Not according to state law enforcement authorities...

STATE OF CONNECTICUT
Department of Emergency Services & Public Protection
Connecticut State Police
Public Information Office

January 18, 2013

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance
 
30 round magazines are not high capacity for an AR 15
 
Regardless of what sort of guns the Sandyhook shooter used, they were not his, were, in fact, stolen. How would restricting the kinds of guns that can be purchased have kept him from shooting anyone?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Regardless of what sort of guns the Sandyhook shooter used, they were not his, were, in fact, stolen. How would restricting the kinds of guns that can be purchased have kept him from shooting anyone?
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That's why we need additional laws concerning the proper storage of weapons so that so-called "responsible gun owners" store their weapons "responsibly"
 
sangha said:
That's why we need additional laws concerning the proper storage of weapons so that so-called "responsible gun owners" store their weapons "responsibly"
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Aren't there already such laws?

Why pass more laws when the ones we have aren't enforced?
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Not according to state law enforcement authorities...

STATE OF CONNECTICUT
Department of Emergency Services & Public Protection
Connecticut State Police
Public Information Office

January 18, 2013

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance
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Then why are there pictures of it being taken out of the trunk of a car.
 
sangha said:
Common sense supports the requirement of a BGC for all weapon sales
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That same common sense dictates that the number of folks that experience a NICS status change is also very small. Simply by doing that check once, and indicating its positive result using a "GUN OK" designation upon each state issued, photo ID, means that only requiring surrender of that "GUN OK" ID upon criminal conviction (with a one year or greater sentence), being adjudged as insane or being served with a judges restraining order (for domestic abuse) would do the job nicely, at the time the NICS databse is updated for that person. This is how we handle driver's permits, we do not re-test at the point of use, we simply assume that the person is OK until they prove otherwise and then revoke that "privilege" ID. Allowing the gun/ammo seller, whether a FFL dealer, Walmart clerk, bait/tackle/ammo store owner, gunshow booth operator or simply an ordinary citizen wishing to sell a gun to a coworker/friend, to easily determine if the potential buyer is "GUN OK" would save money, time and trouble over using the current point of sale NICS background checks for every gun/ammo sale.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That same common sense dictates that the number of folks that experience a NICS status change is also very small. Simply by doing that check once, and indicating its positive result using a "GUN OK" designation upon each state issued, photo ID, means that only requiring surrender of that "GUN OK" ID upon criminal conviction (with a one year or greater sentence), being adjudged as insane or being served with a judges restraining order (for domestic abuse) would do the job nicely, at the time the NICS databse is updated for that person. This is how we handle driver's permits, we do not re-test at the point of use, we simply assume that the person is OK until they prove otherwise and then revoke that "privilege" ID. Allowing the gun/ammo seller, whether a FFL dealer, Walmart clerk, bait/tackle/ammo store owner, gunshow booth operator or simply an ordinary citizen wishing to sell a gun to a coworker/friend, to easily determine if the potential buyer is "GUN OK" would save money, time and trouble over using the curent point of sale NICS background checks for every gun/ammo sale.
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No, that is not how it works with a drivers license. The status of a DL is checked by the authorities as a result of a variety of circumstances, such as being stopped at a traffic stop, selling a car, etc...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That same common sense dictates that the number of folks that experience a NICS status change is also very small. Simply by doing that check once, and indicating its positive result using a "GUN OK" designation upon each state issued, photo ID, means that only requiring surrender of that "GUN OK" ID upon criminal conviction (with a one year or greater sentence), being adjudged as insane or being served with a judges restraining order (for domestic abuse) would do the job nicely, at the time the NICS databse is updated for that person. This is how we handle driver's permits, we do not re-test at the point of use, we simply assume that the person is OK until they prove otherwise and then revoke that "privilege" ID. Allowing the gun/ammo seller, whether a FFL dealer, Walmart clerk, bait/tackle/ammo store owner, gunshow booth operator or simply an ordinary citizen wishing to sell a gun to a coworker/friend, to easily determine if the potential buyer is "GUN OK" would save money, time and trouble over using the current point of sale NICS background checks for every gun/ammo sale.
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That's a good idea. Just do a background check once, and issue a license similar to a driver's license.

then, that license should double as a concealed carry permit as well, don't you think?
 
sangha said:
No, that is not how it works with a drivers license. The status of a DL is checked by the authorities as a result of a variety of circumstances, such as being stopped at a traffic stop, selling a car, etc...
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The same thing is always possible with a "GUN OK" ID, for cause. Simply buying or selling a car is NOT cause. Show me ANY state that requires or allows a car seller to check your DL record.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The same thing is always possible with a "GUN OK" ID, for cause. Simply buying or selling a car is NOT cause. Show me ANY state that requires or allows a car seller to check your DL record.
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Actually, simply buying and selling a car does justify a "BCG" on a DL, so your analogy is false.

In NYS, you cannot sell a car if you have certain violations outstanding, such as driving w/o insurance.
 
TurtleDude said:
30 round magazines are not high capacity for an AR 15
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Complaints:

Lt. J. Paul Vance
STATE OF CONNECTICUT
Department of Emergency Services & Public Protection
Connecticut State Police
Public Information Office
1111 Country Club Road
Middletown, CT 06457

DESPP.Feedback@ct.gov
 
sangha said:
Actually, simply buying and selling a car does justify a "BCG" on a DL, so your analogy is false.

In NYS, you cannot sell a car if you have certain violations outstanding, such as driving w/o insurance.
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You constantly make assertions yet never back them up. I can find no such thing as to your bolded assertion. The second link clearly states that owner permission is required to do a third party driving record check in NY.

New York Title Transfers - DMV Titling & Registration Information Online at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple

NEW YORK DRIVING RECORDS - Order NY DMV Driver License Records Online at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple
 
sangha said:
Actually, simply buying and selling a car does justify a "BCG" on a DL, so your analogy is false.

In NYS, you cannot sell a car if you have certain violations outstanding, such as driving w/o insurance.
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In most states if you're paying in cash and not credit, there's no need for a background check or drivers license check.
 
iguanaman said:
How many of those children in China died from their wounds? 100% of the children shot in Sandy Hook died on the scene. AR-15 and their vicious ammo are high-speed killing machines and are no comparison to a knife. It is frightening to think of those weapons in the hands of the insane and it just keeps happening. Why do we have to risk this? To sell more guns? It really comes down to a risk vs reward situation where the assault rifle is a loser.
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Since 2010 China has had a number of knifings in schools that have left some two dozen dead and well over 100 wounded.

And please stop with the hyperbole about AR15s. They're relatively underpowered as rifles go. There are far more powerful weapons out there just just don't look as scary.
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sangha said:
That's why we need additional laws concerning the proper storage of weapons so that so-called "responsible gun owners" store their weapons "responsibly"
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Lets actually think this through

Lanza killed his mother

so lets say she had the guns in a safe

and he wants them.

so is the safe gonna deter him

maybe if she is gone

but if she is home-he will easily get them
 
TurtleDude said:
Lets actually think this through

Lanza killed his mother

so lets say she had the guns in a safe

and he wants them.

so is the safe gonna deter him

maybe if she is gone

but if she is home-he will easily get them
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more nonsense from TD
 
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