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You may hate Biden, but at least he had the guts to get us out of Afghanistan.

Renowned Chicken Hawk John Bolton making the case today you knew he would make....that we should have stay in Afghanistan effectively forever after supporting the losing side in a Civil War, the side that did not even want to fight. Gee John, are you going to ask the Taliban if we can keep military forces on the ground there? Is that what you are going to do?

Worse he makes his case pointing to how long we have stayed in friendly environs, Germany, Japan. Tries to make his case by being somewhat balanced his criticism of both Biden and Trump. So what. The renowned Chicken Hawk never saw a place where he did not want US troops to stay and was always willing to make the most absurd arguments along the way.

Go write another book John. That way we don't have to see your ugly mug until you are promoting it.
 
Thinking about this today, the biggest mistake Biden might have made in this was bringing Ghani back for a WH visit. Many of the public comments Biden has made that are being thrown in his face now were comments he made seated next to Ghani in the WH.

I know Biden believes in tradition and Ghani was the guy in Afghanistan at the time. But Ghani was not somebody that he should have put any stake in under the circumstances.
 
independentusa said:
How many presidents have told us they would get us out of Afghanistan, at least the last two. Both Obama and Trump said they would but never did as they did not want the kick in the ass they would get for doing so. I have heard on news stories that the Afghan military was made up of men who joined for the money to send to their families, but were never really ready to fight. It showed in the past week. I think the military and the intelligence were giving Trump and Biden the false impression that the Afghan military was ready to take on the Taliban. Anyone with a knowledge of history could look at Afghanistan and Veit Nam and know things were going to be the same, a quick collapse as soon as we were leaving. From what we have heard, the Afghan military gave up almost everywhere without firing a shot. Now you can blame this on trump or Biden, but the real blame should fall on Bush. Instead of staying with it in Afghanistan and then getting out, he started another war in Iraq. To say the least it was a shit show that soon will be over and Biden will take the kick in the ass for it and do it like a man hopefully. Viet Nam actually got going in 1959 and ended in 1973, the longest war we had been in until now. Hopefully we have really learned our lessen this time, since we did not from Veit Nam.
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Afghanistan is NOT our country. What's going on there, is none of our business. We should close down any bases, embassy's or offices we have in Afghanistan, take Americans out and leave Afghanistan to the Afghan people.
Now Biden is talking about bringing 10's of thousands of "refugee's" to the USA.
 
independentusa said:
How many presidents have told us they would get us out of Afghanistan, at least the last two. Both Obama and Trump said they would but never did as they did not want the kick in the ass they would get for doing so. I have heard on news stories that the Afghan military was made up of men who joined for the money to send to their families, but were never really ready to fight. It showed in the past week. I think the military and the intelligence were giving Trump and Biden the false impression that the Afghan military was ready to take on the Taliban. Anyone with a knowledge of history could look at Afghanistan and Veit Nam and know things were going to be the same, a quick collapse as soon as we were leaving. From what we have heard, the Afghan military gave up almost everywhere without firing a shot. Now you can blame this on trump or Biden, but the real blame should fall on Bush. Instead of staying with it in Afghanistan and then getting out, he started another war in Iraq. To say the least it was a shit show that soon will be over and Biden will take the kick in the ass for it and do it like a man hopefully. Viet Nam actually got going in 1959 and ended in 1973, the longest war we had been in until now. Hopefully we have really learned our lessen this time, since we did not from Veit Nam.
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I mean, it was pretty well FUBAR, but I'm not sure exactly how much of that was Biden's fault. Afghanistan didn't put up any resistance at all to the Taliban. So that's on them. If they won't fight for their country, they won't have a country left to fight for. It's pretty much that simple.

And also because of that, we shouldn't have been there for 20 years. It may be callous, but this is Afghanistan's problem to clean up, and either they pull on their big boy pants and put in the effort to clean it up, or they'll end up with what they deserve. Well I suppose either way, they'll get what they deserve. It's not our responsibility to prop up shitty ****ing governments for infinity. Though we seem to like doing so, and we seem to like always ****ing it up. Which is also why we shouldn't be doing it.

I mean, I guess kudos to Biden for getting us out, I really had expected him to expand and proliferate the Infinity War, much as Bush and Obama had did before. So it's good to be out. It's unfortunate the result, but if the Afghani people won't fight, then that's their choice and this is what they get.
 
Tlrmln said:
We could have done it 2 months from now, or 4 months ago, and managed to get all the soon-to-be murder victims out of there beforehand without the fantastic shit-show that's going down now.
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Murder victims that conservatives are demanding we keep out of this country.
 
tres borrachos said:
Something that his predecessor promised to do. Something his predecessor failed to do, which is why the old man Biden has to do it now.
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Yeah right. Biden has undone literally everything Trump did, except this one thing. Makes perfect sense.
 
Tlrmln said:
Yeah right. Biden has undone literally everything Trump did, except this one thing. Makes perfect sense.
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Literally everything! Yes, he has undone literally everything. Such drama!

What did Biden change in Trump's agreement with the Taliban other than the date? Be specific.
 
Tlrmln said:
We could have done it 2 months from now, or 4 months ago, and managed to get all the soon-to-be murder victims out of there beforehand without the fantastic shit-show that's going down now.
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So Trump negotiated a deal with murderers?

How come Trump didn't get the "soon to be murder victims" out before he left office? Too lazy?
 
Bucky said:
It is good to have a bunch of terrorists running a country whose leaders rape 12-year girls and hunt them down for blood sport?
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How many countries on earth do you want to occupy?

Such a silly reply.
 
Cope said:
I really wish you guys would pick a narrative.

Either Joe just had to because the cease fire was already negotiated, or this cluster**** was all his, and he had the guts to do it.
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Guys?

I walk alone. You and your opposition tribe hold no meaning to me.
 
Mycroft said:
Nope.

I'm saying he should have followed Trump's entire plan...or make a better one and not **** that one up, too.

Or better yet, we should have stopped the election fraud and it would be Trump dealing with this. He knew how to get the job done right.
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Trump’s plan called for withdrawal by May.

Would Trump have “done it right” like he did like he did in Syria: leaving our allies for dead?
 
The AntiDonald said:
If this was happening under a Trump admin, you'd be complaining that too many Afghan brown people were being accepted as refugees.

It's only bad because Biden's doing it. The fact of the matter is it was going to be bad no matter who was in charge or when it was done. Biden has accepted full responsibility. Lets at least give him a week or two to work it all out. At least he had the gonads to end a war that three prior presidents couldn't.
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Um.....no, I certainly wouldn’t, as even a minor glance at my posting history would make quite clear. But hey, congrats on embarrassing yourself.

No, it’s bad because Biden ****ed up big time and now people who risked their lives to help us have been left in danger.

There is nothing “ballsy” about titanically ****ing up the withdrawal.
 
noonereal said:
How many countries on earth do you want to occupy?

Such a silly reply.
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Right? I mean, if we're going to do this then we should just go full bore Colonialism and start taking shit and making them colonies or something. Shit or get off the pot.

lol

But in the end, we're not going to do that, and thus other countries are responsible for themselves and their people are responsible for their country. We gave them 20 years and they couldn't get their shit together. I posit they were never going to get their shit together. Enough is enough. There will be fall out from this, but we can't just keep going indefinitely.
 
Jay59 said:
Where did you get that idea?

I said that they should have stuck to the plan that the Trump administration had developed, which had the final exit by 1 May. Failing that, they should have done a full reevaluation. What part of that says less preparation and planning?

What is getting lost in this discussion is that the Biden administration was handed a plan. What they did with the plan and why is the real point of this thread.
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So you think there would have been more planning and preparation if the withdrawal was rushed by 4 months?
 
Ikari said:
Right? I mean, if we're going to do this then we should just go full bore Colonialism and start taking shit and making them colonies or something. Shit or get off the pot.

lol

But in the end, we're not going to do that, and thus other countries are responsible for themselves and their people are responsible for their country. We gave them 20 years and they couldn't get their shit together. I posit they were never going to get their shit together. Enough is enough. There will be fall out from this, but we can't just keep going indefinitely.
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Can I give this post 275 likes?
 
jnug said:
And your point is what?
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That Biden didn’t even do said bare minimum, that the way he’s handled the evacuation is a disgrace, and the people patting him on the back for it are pathetic.
 
Ikari said:
Right? I mean, if we're going to do this then we should just go full bore Colonialism and start taking shit and making them colonies or something. Shit or get off the pot.

lol

But in the end, we're not going to do that, and thus other countries are responsible for themselves and their people are responsible for their country. We gave them 20 years and they couldn't get their shit together. I posit they were never going to get their shit together. Enough is enough. There will be fall out from this, but we can't just keep going indefinitely.
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Enough was enough by 2005.
 
tres borrachos said:
Literally everything! Yes, he has undone literally everything. Such drama!

What did Biden change in Trump's agreement with the Taliban other than the date? Be specific.
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I could have sworn that I said he changed everything BUT this. Let me look. Yup, that's what I said.

tres borrachos said:
So Trump negotiated a deal with murderers?

How come Trump didn't get the "soon to be murder victims" out before he left office? Too lazy?
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You too with the Trump obsession? Why are you asking about Trump? Trump is a buffoon. This thread is about Biden. Does your entire standard for Biden consist of whether he is one iota better than Trump?
 
Tlrmln said:
I could have sworn that I said he changed everything BUT this. Let me look. Yup, that's what I said.



You too with the Trump obsession? Why are you asking about Trump? Trump is a buffoon. This thread is about Biden. Does your entire standard for Biden consist of whether he is one iota better than Trump?
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Trump is the one who negotiated the withdrawal last year, the one Biden is trying to execute, or did you miss that?
 
tres borrachos said:
Literally everything! Yes, he has undone literally everything. Such drama!

What did Biden change in Trump's agreement with the Taliban other than the date? Be specific.
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Instead of providing cover, open your eyes and view it from a non partisan lens?

Over a million hits on Biden to undo Trump policies ... Yes Biden wanted to undo Trump's policy, that is part and parcel of Politics in American today. This is but one of them
 
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