You may hate Biden, but at least he had the guts to get us out of Afghanistan.

[Noodlegawd]

You asked me why I mentioned Trump. The smart people know this is Trump's withdrawal plan. Nobody else is wondering what Trump's stake is in this discussion, and the morons are screaming about Biden screwing up Trump's plan.

As to your question about why is this the one thing Trump did that Biden seems compelled to follow through on, what the **** are you asking that question for? What relevance does it have? And if you want to know, email the White House and ask that question if it's burning you up inside. The rest of us are focusing on the news.

LOL, here you are defending the White House, but the second someone asks a pointed question, you punt. That's cute.

 

[Cope]

Because it's Biden and not Trump. If somehow, Trump had been able to execute this plan while President, the results would have been the same, and all the Trumpeteers sitting here condemning Biden would be defending Trump.

While I don't disagree that this is likely true, that doesn't make it ok to defend your guy when he is the one executing it.
That is the definition of partisan. (and hypocritical)

 

[Cope]

What the question?

You question was, "which one is it?" I answered.

If you have another question just ask me. You will get a direct, non tribal response.

You responded to my post of "
I really wish you guys would pick a narrative.

Either Joe just had to because the cease fire was already negotiated, or this cluster**** was all his, and he had the guts to do it. "

With a nit pick of "you guys".

If you had no interest in discussing what the thread was about, skip the thread. So was it Trumps plan that Biden screwed up but had the guts to do, or was it Biden's plan that he screwed up, that he had the guts to do.

 

[Ikari]

While I don't disagree that this is likely true, that doesn't make it ok to defend your guy when he is the one executing it.
That is the definition of partisan. (and hypocritical)

Nor would it be "ok" to attack the other guy when he is the one executing it. As that too is the definition of partisan (and hypocritical).

 

[noonereal]

You responded to my post of "
I really wish you guys would pick a narrative.

Either Joe just had to because the cease fire was already negotiated, or this cluster**** was all his, and he had the guts to do it. "

With a nit pick of "you guys".

If you had no interest in discussing what the thread was about, skip the thread.

What is all this shit about?

So was it Trumps plan that Biden screwed up but had the guts to do, or was it Biden's plan that he screwed up, that he had the guts to do.

There was no screw up from Biden. Period. (and you still insist on your fallacy I see, some folks will simply not better themselves, nothing I can do)

The screw ups were from Bush, Obama and Trump who never had the balls to remove troops.

It was a long overdo military withdrawal.

 

[Cope]

Nor would it be "ok" to attack the other guy when he is the one executing it. As that too is the definition of partisan (and hypocritical).

I disagree. It is perfectly acceptable to criticize those in power for screwing up.

 

[jnug]

We better hustle up and get everybody out we want to get out while Taliban leadership is making happy talk. I expected there to be some largess expressed by the Taliban. They just won the lottery ticket of their lives. But I think this is likely to be short lived and in parts of the country where the hard line Taliban is controlling, I am not convinced they will toe the largess line being expressed by Taliban leadership.

 

[Ikari]

I disagree. It is perfectly acceptable to criticize those in power for screwing up.

Even though you're changing position based on the R/D?

lol

 

[Cope]

Even though you're changing position based on the R/D?

lol

I would be criticizing the person in power to make such decisions. Regardless of a little letter after their name.

Not everyone you encounter is a partisan follower of either.

 

[Cope]

What is all this shit about?

There was no screw up from Biden. Period. (and you still insist on your fallacy I see, some folks will simply not better themselves, nothing I can do)

The screw ups were from Bush, Obama and Trump who never had the balls to remove troops.

It was a long overdo military withdrawal.

I agree with your last statement. It was long overdue and Biden had the balls to follow along with the plan laid out.
How that exactly went down is where the screw up was.

So I applaud Biden for getting us out, and I applaud Trump for starting the process.
I am criticizing Biden for HOW it went down.

 

[Ikari]

I would be criticizing the person in power to make such decisions. Regardless of a little letter after their name.

Not everyone you encounter is a partisan follower of either.

The "you" is more general than pointed. The majority of the people here criticizing Biden aren't doing so because he ****ed up, they are doing so because he's a Democrat. The same people would be defending Trump if it were he who precipitated this result.

 

[Cope]

The "you" is more general than pointed. The majority of the people here criticizing Biden aren't doing so because he ****ed up, they are doing so because he's a Democrat. The same people would be defending Trump if it were he who precipitated this result.

I'll grant you that there are a few such here, as there are quite a few more that blindly defend the D as well.

But you and I are discussing this. I do not blindly defend any letter, and I can find fault with Biden here in how he acted upon this withdrawal.

 

[Ikari]

I'll grant you that there are a few such here, as there are quite a few more that blindly defend the D as well.

But you and I are discussing this. I do not blindly defend any letter, and I can find fault with Biden here in how he acted upon this withdrawal.

Well it went pear shaped right away. Though given how quickly the Afghani people rolled over for their new Taliban overlords, I'm not sure it would have ended any other way.

 

[Cope]

Well it went pear shaped right away. Though given how quickly the Afghani people rolled over for their new Taliban overlords, I'm not sure it would have ended any other way.

It may not have, maybe MacArthur, or Washington wouldn't have handled it any better.

That doesn't detract the blame.

The Afghans are going to get the leadership they fought for.

 

[pocket aces]

Trump is the man with the plan that Biden did not follow. This is on Biden.

No. That is not a plan. That is an agreement.
Yes.
You seem to be assuming that there was no preparation and no plan. Why?
To point out the obvious, Afghan military activity shuts down in the winter.

One thing is for sure is you are good at regurgitating the machine's talking points. You area good little follower.

 

[Ikari]

The Afghans are going to get the leadership they fought for.

I think that's exactly true. We gave them 20 years and ridiculous money, training, and equipment. They had every opportunity to get it together and to be able to fight the Taliban if they decided to do so. They decided not to do so, and now they get the Taliban. It's on them. We were there are far too long, we spend enough time, money, and lives on it. It's their country, they need to be responsible for it.

So now the Taliban controls Afghanistan. The only thing Biden could do different is perhaps a slower, more phased drawback and leaving no staff or anyone back. Though it wasn't anticipated that the fall would come so quickly.

 

[Cope]

I think that's exactly true. We gave them 20 years and ridiculous money, training, and equipment. They had every opportunity to get it together and to be able to fight the Taliban if they decided to do so. They decided not to do so, and now they get the Taliban. It's on them. We were there are far too long, we spend enough time, money, and lives on it. It's their country, they need to be responsible for it.

So now the Taliban controls Afghanistan. The only thing Biden could do different is perhaps a slower, more phased drawback and leaving no staff or anyone back. Though it wasn't anticipated that the fall would come so quickly.

Yes, what he should have done a better job of doing was allowing those we wanted out, to get out safely

 

[366h34d]

Yes. Trump is the one who negotiated the release from prison of a Taliban Terrorist leader. Trump is the one who met with and negotiated with terrorists. He wanted the photo op so bad, he invited them to Camp David. Needless to say that meeting was canceled. Instead, Pompeo met with the Taliban overseas.

Never in the history of the US has an American president negotiated with terrorists. Biden's hands were tied due to the deal Trump made.

If Trump was so hell bent on leaving Afghanistan, why did he not follow through? I would wager to say that he knew it wouldn't go so well in an election year. So once again, what Trump does, is to benefit Trump, period.

You can do better than that. Who is in the WH now? Some dolts voted him out and put a dolt into WH.

 

[Ikari]

You can do better than that. Who is in the WH now? Some dolts voted him out and put a dolt into WH.

And he's still better than Trump.

 

[366h34d]

And he's still better than Trump.

I don't know about that, but I know "he is not trump"

 

[Ikari]

I don't know about that, but I know "he is not trump"

"Not Trump" automatically makes one better than Trump

 

[Port & Starboard]

You mean he pulled out of Afghanistan just as Trump intended to do and nearly all the Trumpeteers wanted? You are comparing an act done against American backing to one with their backing.

Poll: Little backing for Trump's Syria withdrawal

But two in three voters say the U.S. is engaged in too many foreign conflicts.

www.politico.com

US Public Supports Withdrawal From Afghanistan

Polling conducted in July for the 2021 Chicago Council Survey found seven out of ten Americans supported the withdrawal of US combat forces from Afghanistan by September 11.

www.thechicagocouncil.org

But we all know Trump did it for his buddy Erdogan. The American people had nothing to do with his decision.

He ****ed up the pullout.......totally embarrassed himself. But he has plenty of cultists on DP covering his six.

 

[Geoist]

He ****ed up the pullout.......totally embarrassed himself. But he has plenty of cultists on DP covering his six.

The optics of the pullout were bad and Biden earns blame because the buck stops with him. But don't pretend it would've been different if Trump had the balls to pull out of Afghanistan during his term. It would've ended badly either way.

 

[Port & Starboard]

The optics of the pullout were bad and Biden earns blame because the buck stops with him. But don't pretend it would've been different if Trump had the balls to pull out of Afghanistan during his term. It would've ended badly either way.

He wouldn't listen.........tough guy Joe wanted it his way. He left 40,000 Americans behind Taliban lines.

His minions said they were prepared for most anything................after the fact.............just to cover his ass as he slinked back to Camp David.

 

[Roger Duke]

He wouldn't listen.........tough guy Joe wanted it his way. He left 40,000 Americans behind Taliban lines.

Does anybody know how many Americans were on the flight with 640 passengers on the C-17? Are we evacuating Afghans when Americans are still there?