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Yeah, about those bump-stocks....

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This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...


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Goshin said:
This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...


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My white supremacist former employee was telling me about someone he knows who made a perfectly fine assault weapon in his garage in 27 hours on his first go...the second go was expected to go faster.
 
Hook your thumb on your trigger hand into your belt loop, and push forward on the rifle while you fire, and with a bit of practice you just made your own bump stock. What a waste of ammunition however...
 
Goshin said:
This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...


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I watched CBS news, four separate times last night, say that bump stocks convert semi-autos either into "machine guns" or "fully-automatic."
 
Goshin said:
This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...


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I know, it's true. I acknowledge that banning a specific type of gun isn't going to stop people who are determined to circumvent the system.
It does stop those who aren't resourceful enough, and it stops the lazy, however. But a ban doesn't begin to address the problem sufficiently, it's lazy lawmaking.

In light of Parkland FL:
How about, if the cops are called 39 times to your home, and report after report after report indicates that you're behaving like a retarded gang banger on crack, or acting like you're having a near psychotic break or a full blown breakdown, or any other kind of conduct which indicates that you're going off the rails, you lose your guns and you're prohibited from having guns unless you can decisively prove to professionals that you're now stable and responsible?

How about when you start posting via social media or some other platform that you have a raging desire to do a mass shooting, you lose your guns, and you're prohibited from having them unless you can convince a professional that you're not going to act on your stated desires?

It's a crime to make jokes in airports about having a bomb or setting one off, yes?
Start from that perspective, my friend...consider the concept that, in light of recent events, we are all now living in an environment that has at least some similarities to an airport for the simple reason that we're wide open and defenseless without some proactive measures to contain the threat.
The stupid "good guy with a gun" solution is nonsense, and it's been proven to be countless times.

I own firearms, and I've BEEN able to prove to law enforcement that I am stable and responsible on more than one occasion.
It wasn't difficult, but for someone like Nikolas Cruz, he had 39 opportunities to do so and failed, and law enforcement had 39 opportunities to wonder aloud if he should be allowed to own a firearm, of ANY kind whatsoever, when it was clear he shouldn't.

Work from that perspective. That is the perspective that a LOT of people are working from, and some of those people are gun owners, too.
 
Goshin said:
This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...
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Just because something can be made cheaply, does that mean it should be legal? After all, one can make phosgene gas in a few minutes for less than ten bucks - should that make carrying around phosgene gas legal, too?
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Hook your thumb on your trigger hand into your belt loop, and push forward on the rifle while you fire, and with a bit of practice you just made your own bump stock. What a waste of ammunition however...
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Sounds painful. ;)
 
Goshin said:
This one was made for 5 bucks in parts from the hardware store... with a little padding on the butt plate it would work about as well as store-bought.

Another example of the futility of gun control. An AK47 can be made in any small machine shop...


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So what? Ban 'em anyway. Twice the fine for making one.
 
Grand Mal said:
So what? Ban 'em anyway. Twice the fine for making one.
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Point being that grand total effect on mass shootings will be near zero.
 
Goshin said:
Point being that grand total effect on mass shootings will be near zero.
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WTF is your point? All you need is a 10 dollar hacksaw to make a shotgun illegal. You can make your car only track legal, so what. Drunk driving is illegal, doesn't stop all incidences. Weak argument..... Credit Bob Dylan, "the times they are a change'n."
 
Goshin said:
Point being that grand total effect on mass shootings will be near zero.
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Really. You're willing to bet that another psycho killer won't use one of those things sometime this year?
And yeah, yeah, I know. A ban would just prevent the law-abiders from owning them. And the constitution protects the right to own a bump-stock.
That guy in Las Vegas was a legal gun owner. I wonder how that device improved his count? The next one will probably be a law-abider, too.
 
Gun control has been successful in many nations, the idea that it's futile is absurd and misleading.

The only reason they are targeting just bump stocks is because Republicans want to have a pressure relief "bone" to throw to the raving liberal actors who want gun control, and so they dangle it as though it's important, and if they have to, they will throw that bone and call it all good. A guy having just used one (with a gun) to mow down people with abandon, gave it more notoriety and thus made it slightly easier to go after, than something more expansive and effective.

They only go after these very long-hanging fruit because at this moment, that's all that has even a slight chance of seeing traction. Bemoaning their choice of low-hanging fruit, as the rest of the fruit is pulled up out of reach, is kind of silly. More expansive gun control is offered up all the time, it simply doesn't get enough traction.
 
Grand Mal said:
Really. You're willing to bet that another psycho killer won't use one of those things sometime this year?
And yeah, yeah, I know. A ban would just prevent the law-abiders from owning them. And the constitution protects the right to own a bump-stock.
That guy in Las Vegas was a legal gun owner. I wonder how that device improved his count? The next one will probably be a law-abider, too.
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I'm not betting they won't. I'm betting it will happen even if you ban them, and that other mass shootings will happen just as bad with other weapons.

VA tech shooter used two handguns with 10 round mags. 33 dead.


Armed defenders to oppose them is the only practical answer
 
Rexedgar said:
WTF is your point? All you need is a 10 dollar hacksaw to make a shotgun illegal. You can make your car only track legal, so what. Drunk driving is illegal, doesn't stop all incidences. Weak argument..... Credit Bob Dylan, "the times they are a change'n."
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The point is there no point to passing new laws that will have no appreciable effect.
 
Goshin said:
Point being that grand total effect on mass shootings will be near zero.
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If the law was going to impede anything the "stakeholders" cared about ($$$ - sales), we wouldn't be talking about it because it wouldn't be shown the light of day.

The law is a dumb, feel good thing, but so are a lot of laws. Some products also fit that description. Let the placebo do its magic.
 
Goshin said:
The point is there no point to passing new laws that will have no appreciable effect.
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I'm all for vigorous enforcement of what is on the books! Unfortunately, in ALL major issues that affect this country, money talks and bull**** walks!
 
DebateChallenge said:
If its nonsense than police wouldn't carry guns.
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Police aren't good guys with guns, they are police officers with guns.
And by your statement, which attempts to pretend that anyone with a gun is automatically equivalent to a police officer, you demonstrate a stunning ignorance of just what it takes to BE a police officer.
 
On the one hand, making pot illegal is immoral because it turns perfectly law abiding, decent people, into criminals.


On the other hand, banning bumps is completely moral, because it too will turn law abiding, decent people into criminals....
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Police aren't good guys with guns, they are police officers with guns.
And by your statement, which attempts to pretend that anyone with a gun is automatically equivalent to a police officer, you demonstrate a stunning ignorance of just what it takes to BE a police officer.
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Are you insinuating that police officers are not good guys in a mass shooting scenario?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Because fines deter mass shooters?
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C'mon. Stephen Paddock was a law-abiding citizen, a real-estate investor and poker player. If that device wasn't available to him, do you think he would have built one? If he hadn't had it, his kill count might have been far less. Tell you one thing, if it happens again, if someone uses that thing to enable them to kill 2,3 times as many, this administration will have something to answer for. They can cover their ass by banning it. If it happens then, they can hold their hands in the air and say, "We did our best!"
This discussion, what to do about mass killers, always comes around to the same predictable rebuttals.
1- "That law wouldn't have stopped this killer."
2- "That would violate the constitutional rights of the killer."
3- "That would violate the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens."
If a way can't be found past those, the only thing left is to admit it's acceptable.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Don't try that bull**** with me. Can you read English, troll?
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Are you insinuating police officers are not the good guys in mass shooting scenario's or not? I will not ask again.

Additionally, English is not the official language in my country so I cannot be expected to have 100% English literacy.
 
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