http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06fri2.html?ref=nicolas_sarkozy
Xenophobia: Casting Out the Un-French
Published: August 5, 2010
"France has no equivalent to the 14th Amendment, but the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who likes to be known as Sarko the American, also is fanning dangerous anti-immigrant passions for short-term political gain.
Last week, he proposed stripping foreign-born French citizens of their citizenship if they are convicted of threatening the life of a police officer or other serious crimes. Lest any voter miss the point that such a law would be particularly aimed at Muslim immigrants, Mr. Sarkozy’s interior minister, in charge of the police force, helpfully added polygamy and female circumcision to the list of offenses that could bring loss of citizenship.
Days earlier, Mr. Sarkozy promised to destroy the camps of the Roma and send them back to where they came from, mainly Romania and Bulgaria. Both countries are members of the European Union. Hundreds of thousands of their residents, in France legally, now risk being swept up and expelled in police raids.
And Mr. Sarkozy proposes denying automatic French citizenship to people born in France if their parents are foreign and they have a record of juvenile delinquency.
All of this in a country that has long proudly upheld the principle that all French citizens — native-born or naturalized — are entitled to equal treatment under the law. That applies to Mr. Sarkozy’s Hungarian-born father and Italian-born wife, both naturalized French citizens, and should apply to everyone else.
But immigrant-bashing is popular among nonimmigrant French voters and Mr. Sarkozy has never been shy about doing it. He built his 2007 presidential campaign around his tough record (and inflammatory words) as interior minister. Earlier this year, he ran a divisive campaign to define French national identity because he wanted to fend off the far right anti-immigrant National Front in regional elections. It didn’t work.
Now, with his political fortunes at a new low and the National Front resurgent under younger leadership, he has gone further, worrying traditional conservatives who still believe in the rights of man and the equality of all French citizens. They are right to be concerned, and he is recklessly wrong to ignore their cautionary advice."
Advice to tourists: Don't come visiting France next Fall.
There ought to be lots of protests and even more strikes than usual:shock:
What's so wrong in getting tough with immigrant criminals? If all they want to do is abuse the hospitality of France then they can pack their bags.
And what's the betting that the tougher measures will be dropped safely after election anyway?
"he proposed stripping foreign-born French citizens of their citizenship if they are convicted of threatening the life of a police officer or other serious crimes. Lest any voter miss the point that such a law would be particularly aimed at Muslim immigrants" So are you saying Muslims are likely to commit those sort of crimes?I imagine more and more French people are tired of their capital becoming more and more of a **** hole.
Hmm, the 1789 French bill of rights. I wonder if all that 'born free' and 'equal rights' stuff applied to the people in the territories occupied by the leftist dictator Napoleon, Revolutionary France's boss?! So violations of human rights according to France's own rulebook were broken early by its own Aristo-murdering ruler!! So why worry now?
And more seriously, I wonder if previous attempts to simply deport foreign criminals were thwarted in the courts by interfering liberals, as we find with ours here often enough.
Perhaps you have some insights into how Sarkozy got this far.
Ah, Spud Meister too! Welcome to the Totalitarian Leftiness Rehabilitation Group!
Rule: Be as mad as you like, just don't let other people see the fists fly, else we might disown you for a while to keep ourselves still looking pure!
Kinda contradicts the whole thing by trying to impart those ideas by force, both at home and abroad.
Madame Guillotine and the musket - the sharp end of Napoleonic politics, with very similar for Marxism! (My mother's Poland didn't do too well at the hands of either I can tell you, with forces being absorbed into the ranks of the overbearing powers!)
Well, Napoleon and Stalin were, just two names who have sprung up so far.
And the way to emancipate people is to invade their country, right Left?!
And as you appear to identify Egalite, Fraternite and the other soundbite with old Nappers, you've certainly gotten stuck into some sticky mud!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06fri2.html?ref=nicolas_sarkozy
Xenophobia: Casting Out the Un-French
Published: August 5, 2010
"France has no equivalent to the 14th Amendment, but the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who likes to be known as Sarko the American, also is fanning dangerous anti-immigrant passions for short-term political gain.
Last week, he proposed stripping foreign-born French citizens of their citizenship if they are convicted of threatening the life of a police officer or other serious crimes. Lest any voter miss the point that such a law would be particularly aimed at Muslim immigrants, Mr. Sarkozy’s interior minister, in charge of the police force, helpfully added polygamy and female circumcision to the list of offenses that could bring loss of citizenship.
Days earlier, Mr. Sarkozy promised to destroy the camps of the Roma and send them back to where they came from, mainly Romania and Bulgaria. Both countries are members of the European Union. Hundreds of thousands of their residents, in France legally, now risk being swept up and expelled in police raids.
And Mr. Sarkozy proposes denying automatic French citizenship to people born in France if their parents are foreign and they have a record of juvenile delinquency.
All of this in a country that has long proudly upheld the principle that all French citizens — native-born or naturalized — are entitled to equal treatment under the law. That applies to Mr. Sarkozy’s Hungarian-born father and Italian-born wife, both naturalized French citizens, and should apply to everyone else.
But immigrant-bashing is popular among nonimmigrant French voters and Mr. Sarkozy has never been shy about doing it. He built his 2007 presidential campaign around his tough record (and inflammatory words) as interior minister. Earlier this year, he ran a divisive campaign to define French national identity because he wanted to fend off the far right anti-immigrant National Front in regional elections. It didn’t work.
Now, with his political fortunes at a new low and the National Front resurgent under younger leadership, he has gone further, worrying traditional conservatives who still believe in the rights of man and the equality of all French citizens. They are right to be concerned, and he is recklessly wrong to ignore their cautionary advice.
Advice to tourists: Don't come visiting France next Fall.
There ought to be lots of protests and even more strikes than usual:shock:"
I believe that Sarkozy is simply responding to the French people. The Islamic peoples residing in Europe reproduce at a faster rate, and are immigrating to the country in a never-ending stream, and the legitimate fears of Muslim eventual takeover of the country should not be discounted. I agree no purpose is served by isolating one group, but if this one group poses a dire threat to the safety and welfare of the French people, action must be taken.
It isn't the case - as Paris has pointed out, Sarkozy is simply responding (as Chirac did before him) to a resurgent extreme right in France. When Le Pen actually found himself in a Presidential run-off, the whole country united to keep him out - but not discounting that Chirac took some political steps to the hard right in his pre-election campaign. I see this and the recent anti-burka laws as positioning for the elections to come.
Did you just look at the title and post the article without even reading it or did you just hope that people would be too lazy to read the article? The word xenophobe gets blatantly misused a lot in the US by pro-illegals. So just by looking at this article it appears the author has blatantly misused the word xenophobe. Most people have no problem kicking out unruly guests and foreign born citizens who commit various crimes. Its called kicking out guest who wear out their welcome.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06fri2.html?ref=nicolas_sarkozy
Advice to tourists: Don't come visiting France next Fall.
There ought to be lots of protests and even more strikes than usual:shock:
So, basically, what Sarko is advocating is the creation of different levels of citizenship. There'd be the "first class" citizens, ethnic French people born in France, who would retain their citizenship no matter what crime they commit. Then there'd be the "second-class" citizens, who would be stripped of their citizenship if they commit certain types crimes.
How they'll constitutionally justify this sort of discrimination, unheard of since the Déclaration des Droits de L'Homme et du Citoyen was ratified, is beyond me. Is Sarko's party morphing into a new and improved version of the Front National or what??
Second-class citizens in a civilized country. Lord, the mind truly boggles.
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