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WSJ debunks O-3 Bobulinski

Sand Castle said:
Trump colludes with Russia to influence an election vs. Biden get's his kid a job, are Freeking kidding.

As for your so called real issue ("How about focusing on the real issue, results and why you support Biden") , why don't you start a thread, on why you want people to to understand why they support Biden.
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Its been proven that Trump did NOT collude with Russia and in fact that the head of the CIA briefed the Obama adminstration that the Clitnon campaign deliberately used the Russia collusion lie to draw attention away from the content of their emails that were released. Surely you KNOW that, so why would you still lie about it?
 
rahl said:
no it isn't. nothing that has been presented has even hinted at a crime committed by biden.
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Well, for the sake of discussion, let's suppose those emails are real.

And if they are, don't you wonder whether then Vice President Biden met with an executive a Burisma roughly around the time he delivered an ultimatum to the President of the Ukraine to replace the prosecutor assigned to a corruption case investigating the owner of Burisma?
 
NatMorton said:
Well, for the sake of discussion, let's suppose those emails are real.

And if they are, don't you wonder whether then Vice President Biden met with an executive a Burisma roughly around the time he delivered an ultimatum to the President of the Ukraine to replace the prosecutor assigned to a corruption case investigating the owner of Burisma?
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no. again I point out, there is no crime here. none of you have been able to identify what might even be a possible crime. The alleged events took place in 2017, when biden was not in office.
 
rahl said:
no. again I point out, there is no crime here. none of you have been able to identify what might even be a possible crime. The alleged events took place in 2017, when biden was not in office.
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You're simply ignoring the 2015 emails.
 
NatMorton said:
Never said the evidence was overwhelming. I said the evidence to date is stronger than the evidence used to justify impeachment hearings against Trump (hearings I supported, BTW).
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Yet why no charges after all this time?
 
NatMorton said:
Ok, then help me. Compare the two cases when they were both at their beginning. We had an anonymous whistleblower claiming that Trump attempted to exert undue influence on the President of the Ukraine. In Biden's case, we have copies of emails that the Bidens will not claim are fake, and we have two business partners of Hunter Biden who have gone on the record stating that Joe Biden was involved with his son's dealings.

Again, not saying Biden is guilty of anything, yet, but to my point, doesn't both physical evidence and the word of two individuals on the record make for a stronger case than one anonymous phone call?
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Guess I never will understand certain people whose loyalty to an ideology ignores the results of that ideology. They never answer direct questions and stick to their talking points none of which resonate with reality or any comparison between a public servant and a private sector person. Doesn't really matter what Trump does as it is more important to buy the rhetoric of what he has supposedly done. All Trump has done is destroy the status quo, not operated like a politician, delivered on many of his campaign promises that actually benefited the American people, and has taken on the establishment that has done more harm than good. We are never going to get an accurate comparison between Biden and Trump's differences only liberal talking points created by someone else with a political agenda which is to return to the appeasement, nanny state ideology promoted by liberalism all over the country
 
Conservative said:
Guess I never will understand certain people whose loyalty to an ideology ignores the results of that ideology. They never answer direct questions and stick to their talking points none of which resonate with reality or any comparison between a public servant and a private sector person. Doesn't really matter what Trump does as it is more important to buy the rhetoric of what he has supposedly done. All Trump has done is destroy the status quo, not operated like a politician, delivered on many of his campaign promises that actually benefited the American people, and has taken on the establishment that has done more harm than good. We are never going to get an accurate comparison between Biden and Trump's differences only liberal talking points created by someone else with a political agenda which is to return to the appeasement, nanny state ideology promoted by liberalism all over the country
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File charges or ignore it till they do
 
Sand Castle said:
That's just plain wrong.

There is no actual legal evidence against Joe Biden, yes Joe, just he said, she said claims.

Trumpians are trying to blurr and connect what Hunter did with Joe
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Lets recap leftists position. The left in their frothy hatred of Trump used false documents bought and paid for by the Clinton camp to fabricate lies, to lie to the FISA courts, and pursued an impeachment all KNOWINGLY Based on a lie. The left also pressed for and ultimately impeached a seated president NOT because there was any evidence he actually did anything wrong but because the leftist operatives that made their claims made ASSUMPTIONS about what they believed intent was. Yet when it comes to the FACTS...
-It is a fact that Hunter Biden got kicked out of the Navy Reserves...a position he was gifted solely because his daddy...for using Cocaine.
-It is a fact his son has a history of using illegal drugs.
-It is a fact his son Hunter left a rental car in Arizona with a crack pipe, drugs, his own credit cards, and his dead brothers District Attorney badge and ID just before the 2016 election.
-Its a fact that Hunters own wife filed for divorce over the drugs and the affairs with hookers.
-Its also a fact that the ONLY REASON Burisma...a corrupt company in Ukraine that was being investigated for the theft of many millions in US dollars...an investigation that Joe Biden was overseeing...then hired Joe's son Hunter...a man that at that point couldnt hold a job let alone pass a security clearance background check...a man with no experience in Energy, in the Ukraine, in foreign business holdings, etc was then gifted a position on the board at Burisma and paid a monthly check of $83k a year while not speaking Ukrainian or ever actually going to a single board meeting, though apparently he called in on a few of them.
-It is a fact that Hunter during that time was also gifted with millions of dollars in cash 'contributions' from a woman from Moscow and from a Chinese business conglomerate...again...for no apparent reason other than being the son of the US Vice President.
-It is also a fact that contrary to Biden's claims, he did in fact have meetings with people tat Hunter Biden set up. Its also a fact that a computer repair store has produced both the computer and the receipt from Hunter Biden...a fact that neither of them have actually refuted.
-Its a fact that the head of the US intelligence has stated that contrary to the leftist lies the computer is NOT in fact part of a Russian disinformation campaign. It is also a fact that the computer contains damning emails...emails showing Joe Biden lied about not meeting with or being involved with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
-It is a fact that the emails authenticity has been proclaimed by Hunter Biden's business partner who also has stated he has met with Joe Biden and foreign business representatives and that Joe Biden is in fact the person talked about in those emails as receiving money set aside for "the bug guy" and "Hunters man".

Joe Biden's EXISTING ROLE as the then Vice President is the ONLY reason his son got a paid position on a board of a foreign energy company Biden himself was overseeing in an investigation of corruption and theft. Biden claims he had NO meetings with or contact with his son about his business connections but that has been shown to be a lie. Biden claims he has never profited from those connections, but the emails and eyewitness account of Hunters business partner shows that that was also a lie.
 
VanceMack said:
Lets recap leftists position. The left in their frothy hatred of Trump used false documents bought and paid for by the Clinton camp to fabricate lies, to lie to the FISA courts, and pursued an impeachment all KNOWINGLY Based on a lie. The left also pressed for and ultimately impeached a seated president NOT because there was any evidence he actually did anything wrong but because the leftist operatives that made their claims made ASSUMPTIONS about what they believed intent was. Yet when it comes to the FACTS...
-It is a fact that Hunter Biden got kicked out of the Navy Reserves...a position he was gifted solely because his daddy...for using Cocaine.
-It is a fact his son has a history of using illegal drugs.
-It is a fact his son Hunter left a rental car in Arizona with a crack pipe, drugs, his own credit cards, and his dead brothers District Attorney badge and ID just before the 2016 election.
-Its a fact that Hunters own wife filed for divorce over the drugs and the affairs with hookers.
-Its also a fact that the ONLY REASON Burisma...a corrupt company in Ukraine that was being investigated for the theft of many millions in US dollars...an investigation that Joe Biden was overseeing...then hired Joe's son Hunter...a man that at that point couldnt hold a job let alone pass a security clearance background check...a man with no experience in Energy, in the Ukraine, in foreign business holdings, etc was then gifted a position on the board at Burisma and paid a monthly check of $83k a year while not speaking Ukrainian or ever actually going to a single board meeting, though apparently he called in on a few of them.
-It is a fact that Hunter during that time was also gifted with millions of dollars in cash 'contributions' from a woman from Moscow and from a Chinese business conglomerate...again...for no apparent reason other than being the son of the US Vice President.
-It is also a fact that contrary to Biden's claims, he did in fact have meetings with people tat Hunter Biden set up. Its also a fact that a computer repair store has produced both the computer and the receipt from Hunter Biden...a fact that neither of them have actually refuted.
-Its a fact that the head of the US intelligence has stated that contrary to the leftist lies the computer is NOT in fact part of a Russian disinformation campaign. It is also a fact that the computer contains damning emails...emails showing Joe Biden lied about not meeting with or being involved with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
-It is a fact that the emails authenticity has been proclaimed by Hunter Biden's business partner who also has stated he has met with Joe Biden and foreign business representatives and that Joe Biden is in fact the person talked about in those emails as receiving money set aside for "the bug guy" and "Hunters man".

Joe Biden's EXISTING ROLE as the then Vice President is the ONLY reason his son got a paid position on a board of a foreign energy company Biden himself was overseeing in an investigation of corruption and theft. Biden claims he had NO meetings with or contact with his son about his business connections but that has been shown to be a lie. Biden claims he has never profited from those connections, but the emails and eyewitness account of Hunters business partner shows that that was also a lie.
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At least one person fell for it.
 
For those insisting that what's in those 2017 emails, even if the emails are real, means nothing because Biden was then, as now, a "private citizen," I say sorry, no. It matters.

Joe Biden, the Democrats' nominee for President and, in all likelihood, the next President of the United States was on stage last week speaking to millions of us and said clearly, and without qualification "I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life."

There's a big difference between that statement and saying ""I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life ... even though my son and I tried but the deal fell through."
 
Overitall said:
Yea, but you still haven't explained what Joe (The Big Guy) did to earn a 10% stake held by his son Hunter. Especially when Joe claims he never spoke to Hunter about his business dealings.
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Prove the 'big guy' is Joe. Let's see you do that.
 
NatMorton said:
You're simply ignoring the 2015 emails.
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No i'm not. nothing in the 2015 emails shows a crime was committed. I'm pointing out no crime has been identified, and the only thing that would appear in appropriate (even though it isn't) happened in 2017, when Joe was a private citizen.
 
NatMorton said:
Potentially, bribery.
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Potentially he ran over a small boy with his car too.

Let's see the evidence. You do know how these things work, yes? The FBI has had this almost the entire year. Trump is so inept that he can't get his FBI to recommend these "Bribery" charges?
 
rahl said:
No i'm not. nothing in the 2015 emails shows a crime was committed. I'm pointing out no crime has been identified, and the only thing that would appear in appropriate (even though it isn't) happened in 2017, when Joe was a private citizen.
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Re 2017, see post #490, and the worst feasible interpretation of the 2015 emails is that the Bidens (plural) were enriching themselves by selling access to the sitting Vice President of the United States. If proven and you don't see that as a crime, there's not much point in further discussion.
 
NatMorton said:
Re 2017, see post #490, and the worst feasible interpretation of the 2015 emails is that the Bidens (plural) were enriching themselves by selling access to the sitting Vice President of the United States. If proven and you don't see that as a crime, there's not much point in further discussion.
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That is a crime. Yet you have no indictment. Why?
 
RAMOSS said:
Prove the 'big guy' is Joe. Let's see you do that.
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jonathanturley.org

Witness: Joe Biden Was “The Big Guy” [Updated]

A former business partner to Hunter Biden, Tony Bobulinski, has made a bombshell statement that not only are the emails on the Biden laptop authentic but the reference to giving a cut to “the…
jonathanturley.org jonathanturley.org
The emails that have attracted the most attention refer to an actual meeting of Joe Biden with these foreign figures and one referring to a proposed equity split of “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” Bobulinski confirms that “H” was used for Hunter Biden and that his father was routinely called “the big guy” in these discussions.
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Someone connected to the business affairs confirmed the references in the emails on Hunter’s laptop. It’s an allegation but you can’t disprove it. It’s what you call firsthand testimony.
 
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