What your argument appears to be is that even if Joe Biden is guilty of using his VP position to enrich his family as well as himself it pales in comparison to the abuse of office that Trump is guilty of. Comparing a murder by gun to a murder by knife still makes it a crime of murder.Say it all is true (and there is definitely a lot suspicious holes in this whole last-minute ala-Comey-repeat story) - who cares about what Biden did in 2017 as a private citizen? I mean he had no control over anything in government at that point.
Heck, even in the alternative universe, if this were true when he was VP, Trump is still 100 times more corrupt - in plain view, moving taxpayer dollars to Trump Org, completely mishandling covid, killing our environment, killing our healthcare (actively making ACA worse without an alternative), assaulting consumer protection agencies, etc, etc.
There is no comparison between the two even in that alternative universe!
What your argument appears to be is that even if Joe Biden is guilty of using his VP position to enrich his family as well as himself it pales in comparison to the abuse of office that Trump is guilty of. Comparing a murder by gun to a murder by knife still makes it a crime of murder.
It’s even worse than that. There is no hint that Joe Biden, even if this was true, did anything illegal. The fact that there is no evidence he was involved is another nail in the coffin.We are comparing a made up parking ticket or maybe even a real one to a murder. But all the right wingers want to talk about it is the parking ticket.
Biden was NOT in any govt position - Trump was President at the time. Also Trump is clearly much more corrupt even if Joe tried to do something - though we have no proof he did anything - what did he offer exactly? Nothing that anyone knows of...
Your opinion is not supported by the facts. Aren’t you in the least bit troubled by that?We are comparing a made up parking ticket or maybe even a real one to a murder. But all the right wingers want to talk about it is the parking ticket.
Biden was NOT in any govt position - Trump was President at the time. Also Trump is clearly much more corrupt even if Joe tried to do something - though we have no proof he did anything - what did he offer exactly? Nothing that anyone knows of...
We have "emails" delivered by a man who the FBI has warned that anything he has on Ukraine likely came from the Russians. You don't listen to the FBI?So...Dems complain that Trump lies...but they'll eagerly disregard the lies from Biden. Okay.
Trump doesn't have "access" to anything when it's hidden by the FBI/DOJ. Hell, until this laptop story broke, there was no evidence of anything...except the little that the Senate was able to uncover. Now we have emails and texts from the partner who's still in jail and emails and texts from another partner.
That's a LOT of evidence.
The allegations against Trump deserved investigation. They were investigated and no evidence was found supporting the allegations.
Your opinion is not supported by the facts. Aren’t you in the least bit troubled by that?
The subject of corruption by those we elect to serve us should be of concern to anyone regardless of which political party they belong to. The allegations against Trump deserved investigation. They were investigated and no evidence was found supporting the allegations. Biden is accused of abusing his position to financially benefit his family and you don’t seem to care. That’s sad.
Odd. I don’t recall any articles of impeachment related to Trump colluding with Russia. If he did it would have been a treasonous offense.That's BS. Trump was impeached and would not even be a President if Republican Senators had a spine. Mueller also proved he colluded with Russia (despite inability to prove criminal conspiracy due to critical link, Roger Stone, lying and going to prison for lying) and Mueller also proved obstruction in FULL on at least 4 of the 10 counts that he examined. Other 6 had some elements of obstruction but not all.
His son, Hunter.Well if comparing, I guess someone needs to go to the FISA court and make a case. In this instance, who exactly is accusing Joe Biden?
Give me the quote from the FBI. I don't think you have one.We have "emails" delivered by a man who the FBI has warned that anything he has on Ukraine likely came from the Russians. You don't listen to the FBI?
Give me the quote from the FBI. I don't think you have one.
Intelligence officials were concerned that Giuliani might be used to feed Russian disinformation to Trump, the former officials said. In one meeting, Trump’s national security adviser, Robert O’Brien, cautioned the president that any information Giulani obtained in Ukraine should not be trusted, one former official told the Post. But Trump shrugged off any concerns about Giuilani’s activities, the official said.
The same former official said that several senior officials in the Trump administration — including Attorney General William Barr, FBI Director Christopher Wray and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone — “all had a common understanding” that Russians were targeting Giuliani.
The intelligence agencies’ warning about Trump’s lawyer had not been previously reported but seems particularly relevant this week after the New York Post published a series of articles about the Bidens based on unverified emails found on a laptop hard drive that Giuliani provided to the newspaper. The information was similar to what Giuliani had been seeking in Ukraine.
The part where it is all public information, widely reported, and/or a matter of Congressional record.What part of ‘citation needed’ is confusing to you?
So cite it.The part where it is all public information, widely reported, and/or a matter of Congressional record.
So...some "former official" makes some claims. Sorry...that is NOT "the FBI". That's just someone saying something. Kind of like YOU saying something.
Hardly. There have been no denials from the FBI. The info is golden. We already knew Rudy was a Russian stooge. You don't think they gave him $500,000 for nothing do you?So...some "former official" makes some claims. Sorry...that is NOT "the FBI". That's just someone saying something. Kind of like YOU saying something.
Hardly. There have been no denials from the FBI.
The info is golden. We already knew Rudy was a Russian stooge. You don't think they gave him $500,000 for nothing do you?
Exclusive: Trump lawyer Giuliani was paid $500,000 to consult on indicted associate's firm
By Karen Freifeld, Aram Roston
4 MIN READ
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ult-on-indicted-associates-firm-idUSKBN1WU07Z
So cite it.
That means nothing. A lack of comment does not mean agreement. Let me know when the FBI actually comments. Until then, you are blathering bullshit...like this following bullshit.
Seriously...your own quote says Rudy worked for a "Ukrainian-American businessman"...and somehow, this means "Russia"???
You really should stop. This is three times I've slapped down your nonsense. Don't you get tired of that happening?
1. Joe lied.
2. There is evidence that this stuff went on WHILE Biden was VP.
Why would my prediction on how "trumpians would respond" be at all relevant here?So, If Biden's say they are "fake" please share your vision of how trumpians would respond.
It was a Hail Mary.
As I said in another thread, if it's all true, then here are my problems with both the 2015 and 2017 emails:Say it all is true (and there is definitely a lot suspicious holes in this whole last-minute ala-Comey-repeat story) - who cares about what Biden did in 2017 as a private citizen? I mean he had no control over anything in government at that point.
Heck, even in the alternative universe, if this were true when he was VP, Trump is still 100 times more corrupt - in plain view, moving taxpayer dollars to Trump Org, completely mishandling covid, killing our environment, killing our healthcare (actively making ACA worse without an alternative), assaulting consumer protection agencies, etc, etc.
There is no comparison between the two even in that alternative universe!
Lots of editorials, including wingnut ones from wsj and Washington times ( ! LOL). And John ****ing Kass!Schiff admitted in his own speech he was paraphrasing. Why don't you know this? Why do you believe you have any authority to demand anything when you know no facts and demand proof for things you should already know that were reported.
Disinformation from Schiff, media damaged America
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff has been feeding the American people misinformation for years. He used his position — replete with access to information and people in the know — t…www.bostonherald.com Adam Schiff lied about the Trump investigation — and the media let him
Last week, Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell forced Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff’s hand. If the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee didn’t release the transcri…nypost.com Opinion | All the Adam Schiff Transcripts
Newly released documents show he knew all along that there was no proof of Russia-Trump collusion.www.wsj.com Factcheck: Adam Schiff’s ‘parody’ and President Trump’s response
President Donald Trump has suggested that Rep. Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House intelligence committee, should be arrested for “treason” and charged with “lying to Congress” .www.usatoday.comhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/04/adam-schiffs-unforced-errors-impeachment-inquiry/Column: Horowitz report finally unmasks Adam Schiff. Who’s going to call him out on his lies?
Now that the Horowitz report is out, revealing all those lies told by the FBI as it worked to hamstring a presidency with a debunked Russia collusion theory, here’s a question: Where do U.S. …www.chicagotribune.com Opinion | The IG, Nunes and Schiff
The Horowitz report reveals the Democrat’s many distortions.www.wsj.com EDITORIAL: Horowitz report confirms the Devin Nunes charge of FISA abuses
Presidential impeachment is a serious matter. It’s the penultimate sanction legislators may take against the nation’s chief executive. After that comes removal from office. The way the current case is being handled cheapens the constitutional safeguards protecting our liberties.www.washingtontimes.com
You have a lot of catching up to do, I suggest you get to it.
FWIW, I'm not a Trump fan, I'm not even a Trump supporter. And unless there's more to this between now and Nov 3rd I plan on voting for Biden. That said, there's enough to this email story to keep asking questions, IMO.
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