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Would you wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated if its not required?

Would you wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated if its not required?

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The Baron said:
Well...only if I have to....

Why? Weren't they wearing mask? And if not, isn't it their parents job to make sure they do? And if their parents have decided they didn't need a mask then why are you going to all the trouble? Do you really know better than anybody else?

Weren't they wearing mask?

So if an adult makes an adult decision not to get the shot they are now convicts?

It really amounts to the same thing as house arrest. The differences are minimal

You may be right. Sadly this country is becoming more fascist everyday all in the name of "health". Ironically fascism proves to be bad for everyone's health in the end.

I've been here for years and--trust me--you are definitely in the wrong place.

I got vaccinated because I looked at all the facts--made an adult decision that was right for me--and got the shot.

It is perfectly rational that someone else could do the exact same thing I did and come up with a different decision and I would have no desire to label them as convicts and place them under house arrest.
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Masks protect others FROM YOU much better than they are protected by wearing one themselves. Everyone should know this by now. The kids were not wearing a mask; they are not required here. The elderly couple was. However, just in case I am an asymptomatic carrier I chose to protect THEM by wearing a mask as I approached from a distance. Its the responsible thing to do.
You won't be arrested, so relax. But some fools who make the poor and very stupid decision not to get vaccinated will have their privileges severely restricted. Its already happening, and it will intensify after the vaccines are fully approved. You have no right to expect to enter a store that requires vaccination.....or a restaurant.....or a school....etc. Unless you can show me where in the constitution those rights are guaranteed I am going to assume that they are PRIVILEGES, not rights.
Covidiots have had long enough to do the right thing. Its time they faced the consequences of their warped thinking.

Oh....and I am exactly in the right place, exactly where I need and want to be.
 
@TheBaron

I would like to pose a hypothetical to you. Let's say we were in a pandemic with a disease that killed, say, 50% of those infected. In that situation, would it be acceptable to mandate mask wearing? Would it be reasonable to quarantine infected people, even those who were asymptomatic? In other words, is there any level of risk to society at large sufficient in your mind to permit the government to take mandatory public health measures?
 
mike2810 said:
A person could get tested weekly or if they believe they may have been exposed by being in a risk environment. (large gatherings).
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Getting tested weekly (say on Monday) doesn't guarantee that you won't get infected on Tuesday. It's estimated that it's highly contagious 2 to 3 days before symptoms show up. But some are asymptomatic. So how would anyone really know they're 100% safe after being tested?
 
Overitall said:
Getting tested weekly (say on Monday) doesn't guarantee that you won't get infected on Tuesday. It's estimated that it's highly contagious 2 to 3 days before symptoms show up. But some are asymptomatic. So how would anyone really know they're 100% safe after being tested?
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We don't.

So, my take is to take reasonable safety measure to protect yourself and others.
 
mike2810 said:
We don't.

So, my take is to take reasonable safety measure to protect yourself and others.
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I did my part. I got vaccinated. I can't control or worry about what others choose to do.
 
Ethel2 said:
Masks protect others FROM YOU much better than they are protected by wearing one themselves. Everyone should know this by now. The kids were not wearing a mask; they are not required here. The elderly couple was. However, just in case I am an asymptomatic carrier I chose to protect THEM by wearing a mask as I approached from a distance. Its the responsible thing to do.
You won't be arrested, so relax. But some fools who make the poor and very stupid decision not to get vaccinated will have their privileges severely restricted.
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"Privileges"? Not "rights" but "privileges?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you see no problem with this, right?
Ethel2 said:
Its already happening, and it will intensify after the vaccines are fully approved. You have no right to expect to enter a store that requires vaccination.....or a restaurant.....
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How an adult chooses to run his private business is up to him and him alone. I've no problem with that. But it must be left to the business-owner exclusively.
Ethel2 said:
or a school....etc.
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You just crossed a line with respect to public schools. If my income is being confiscated to pay for my kids to attend, I alone will be making the decision as to the health-care of my own children. As the parent, I'm the only one qualified to be making such decisions.
Ethel2 said:
Unless you can show me where in the constitution those rights are guaranteed I am going to assume that they are PRIVILEGES, not rights.
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You misunderstand the nature of the Constitution. It limits what the government can do. It does not tell the rest of us what we can do.
Ethel2 said:
Covidiots have had long enough to do the right thing. Its time they faced the consequences of their warped thinking.
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And this is why we have a Constitution.
Ethel2 said:
Oh....and I am exactly in the right place, exactly where I need and want to be.
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Hey. You're an adult. Do what you like.

See how that works?
 
LostInSeattle said:
@TheBaron

I would like to pose a hypothetical to you. Let's say we were in a pandemic with a disease that killed, say, 50% of those infected. In that situation, would it be acceptable to mandate mask wearing? Would it be reasonable to quarantine infected people, even those who were asymptomatic? In other words, is there any level of risk to society at large sufficient in your mind to permit the government to take mandatory public health measures?
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I will--now and at all times--choose liberty over security.

You may also wish to consider it is the governments job to protect my rights...not my health. That's my job.
 
The Baron said:
You may also wish to consider it is the governments job to protect my rights...not my health. That's my job.
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Hmm. I like that. It applies nicely to many other areas, such as the 2nd Amendment and abortion.
 
The Baron said:
"Privileges"? Not "rights" but "privileges?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you see no problem with this, right?

How an adult chooses to run his private business is up to him and him alone. I've no problem with that. But it must be left to the business-owner exclusively.

You just crossed a line with respect to public schools. If my income is being confiscated to pay for my kids to attend, I alone will be making the decision as to the health-care of my own children. As the parent, I'm the only one qualified to be making such decisions.

You misunderstand the nature of the Constitution. It limits what the government can do. It does not tell the rest of us what we can do.

And this is why we have a Constitution.

Hey. You're an adult. Do what you like.

See how that works?
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Typhoid Mary. See how that worked? Your entitlement ends when it threatens the health of those around you. That includes wearing a mask even though you are vaccinated. You could still pass it on to the unprotected even then. But then you would have chosen to do good by those around you and not have had to had it required of you/be forced.
 
The Baron said:
I will--now and at all times--choose liberty over security.

You may also wish to consider it is the governments job to protect my rights...not my health. That's my job.
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See, this is where libertarianism goes off the rails, in my experience. So in this hypothetical scenario, if I see you, an asymptomatic carrier of a highly disease, not wearing a mask say, in a store where I'm shopping, I can just take you out as a threat to my health, right? I mean, I have the right to protect myself from someone who is endangering my life.
 
The Baron said:
I'm not willing to live my life nor tell you how to live your life based upon what "might be".
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Excellent point. If people can be controlled based on what could happen, nobody would ever be free.
 
The Baron said:
Seatbelt laws and helmet laws, yes.

OSHA standards I would address on a one-on-one basis.
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The majority do not agree with such a libertarian view of those laws because they do in fact affect others, but less so than wearing a mask would.
 
Reich-Wing Libertaryans are a clear and present danger to this Nation.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Typhoid Mary. See how that worked? Your entitlement ends when it threatens the health of those around you. That includes wearing a mask even though you are vaccinated. You could still pass it on to the unprotected even then. But then you would have chosen to do good by those around you and not have had to had it required of you/be forced.
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The option is to allow all places of businesses to decide if a mask is required. If it does require it I have the choice to comply or shop elsewhere. However if they don't require it then anyone who shops there has made a conscious choice to take the risk. The same applies to vaccines. If they require it I must choose to comply or shop elsewhere. Life is full of choices and risks. It's not the government's role to eliminate all risks. It's their role to ensure I have options.
 
Ethel2 said:
Its pretty simple. Masks are primarily for the benefit of the unvaccinated. The vaccinated are very unlikely to become seriously ill.
I would wear one ONLY if I knew an immune compromised person was present or if children under 12 were around.
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Only a selfish prick, irresponsible and unpatriotic would refuse to wear a mask to protect others. That's today's classic cruel trump fans. It's all about cruelty to them.
 
Gatsby said:
Nope. I did my part by getting vaccinated. I'm done.

If you can't be vaccinated for whatever reason, make your own decision as to what level of risk you're willing to tolerate. If you choose not to be vaccinated to own the libs, thoughts and prayers.
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Yeah, except the libs are going to have to keep cleaning up after the MAGA fans, as they fill up our hospitals and are responsible for closing businesses and schools. It affects us, even though we did our part. **** trump and all his ****ing traitorous, ignorant fans. They're destroying our great nation from within.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, except the libs are going to have to keep cleaning up after the MAGA fans, as they fill up our hospitals and are responsible for closing businesses and schools. It affects us, even though we did our part.
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I'm vaccinated, so there's a 95% chance I'll never get covid. And if I do, it will be a mild case. If MAGA hats want to get covid and die, that's fine. Natural selection at work. There's no reason to close businesses or schools because some people didn't get vaccinated; those people have multiple easy solutions to that problem.
 
The Baron said:
"Privileges"? Not "rights" but "privileges?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you see no problem with this, right?

How an adult chooses to run his private business is up to him and him alone. I've no problem with that. But it must be left to the business-owner exclusively.

You just crossed a line with respect to public schools. If my income is being confiscated to pay for my kids to attend, I alone will be making the decision as to the health-care of my own children. As the parent, I'm the only one qualified to be making such decisions.

You misunderstand the nature of the Constitution. It limits what the government can do. It does not tell the rest of us what we can do.

And this is why we have a Constitution.

Hey. You're an adult. Do what you like.

See how that works?
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Yes. Privileges. You do not have a RIGHT to go into a supermarket....or a place of employment....or a restaurant. Government isn't going to force businesses to require vaccination: business owners are doing it on their own. Google is doing it; Goldman Sachs is doing it; so is Facebook, Netflix, Blackrock, Sachs Fifth Avenue etc etc. The list is growing longer every day. Schools already require proof of vaccination for measles. IMO soon they will also require proof that kids are vaccinated and until the vaccines are approved for kids, that PARENTS are vaccinated. The precedent for requiring that kids be vaccinated was set long ago. You can home school your kids if you don't want to get them vaccinated; your choice. See how that works?
 
lurchadams said:
Only a selfish prick, irresponsible and unpatriotic would refuse to wear a mask to protect others. That's today's classic cruel trump fans. It's all about cruelty to them.
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I have no idea what you are talking about here, but since you quoted my post, here is my response: if others refuse to take actions that are available to themselves to protect not only them but the other members of the society in which they live then no one should feel obliged to lift a finger to help them. Sorry. I don't care if the covidiots get infected. Every one of them that gets infected brings normal people closer to herd immunity.
 
LostInSeattle said:
I too voted yes and in part for the reason in the last sentence above.

I have to disagree with the first part though, because propaganda is effective. I think a lot of people are either not smart and/or not well educated (neither being their fault) and they are taken in by the politicians and media apparatus that politicized Covid. I cannot reasonably complain about the reactionary propaganda machine without having some sympathy for its victims.

Also, there is a substantial social cost to people getting sick and dying that the vaccinated bear, in part. Wearing a mask may be an inconvenience, but a tiny one in the grand scheme of things.
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A lot of dumbasses indeed. I'm guessing over 72 million of them.
 
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