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Would the Supreme Court eliminating the Affordable Care Act be a "big win for the USA"?

Would the Supreme Court eliminating the Affordable Care Act be a "big win for the USA"?


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What you don't give a damn about is the health of the American people. There is no way we should trust it to corporations that put profit and their shareholders over saving lives and keeping Americans out of bankruptcy.
It would be different were the providers asked about their desires and paid properly. Not that it would be good, but at least different.

There is nothing in law demanding the Feds assume control of health.
 
No, it doesn’t.
I have not applied for the ACA in my life so relied on my Son's research. He was a high earner and told me he had to stick with first his company plan and later due to retiring early, he purchased on the open market. ACA did him no good at all.

Something is wrong when laws only apply to a smaller number of citizens.
 
Trump helpfully reminds the voters this morning he's going to court the week after the election to ask the Supreme Court to eliminate the entire Affordable Care Act. Things like pre-existing condition protections, tax credits to help people afford premiums, Medicaid expansion, Medicare reforms, funds for training health care providers and investing in public health, all gone.

Is he right that winding the clock back a decade plus would be a "big win" for the U.S.?

Trump says elimination of Obamacare would be a ‘win for the USA’
That is not Trump at all. This challenge comes from many states of this country.
 
What does congress being controlled by the opposition party have to do with his ability to submit a draft? His party had the house, senate and presidency for the first two years of his presidency. Even my kids don't make as many excuses as you seem to want to make for the president.

Tell you what, if he has cheaper and better plan, and presents it before the election, I will change my avatar to "Obama is a stinky head". Deal?
Trump to solve state's problems has not announced any plan. What states do you name that have plans?
 
Very well, I will point out why we have the most expensive and overpriced healthcare in the world and why so many cannot afford coverage: Unconstitutional federal government interference.

Beginning with MediCare/MedicAid in 1965. Since MediCare/MedicAid only pay healthcare providers pennies on the dollar, the cost of doing business must be picked up by the consumer. That is reflected in both higher medical costs and higher insurance premiums. Had the national socialist Democrats not interfered with capitalism, medical costs would have remained low (or at least what the market will bear) and there would be much more competition, which also helps keep consumer prices low.

If you truly want affordable healthcare, get the damn federal government out of our healthcare where they have no constitutional authority being in the first place.

Only national socialists anti-Americans support "M4A."
When I was still a child, during WW2, my parents took me to a hospital for surgery and never mentioned the cost in my presence. And doctors visits were very low priced. They had no health insurance. Clearly the hospital visit and stay was low priced.

Then the Democrats plans kicked in and all hell broke loose.
 
Trump helpfully reminds the voters this morning he's going to court the week after the election to ask the Supreme Court to eliminate the entire Affordable Care Act. Things like pre-existing condition protections, tax credits to help people afford premiums, Medicaid expansion, Medicare reforms, funds for training health care providers and investing in public health, all gone.

Greenbeard, it's time to stop lying.


Sen. Ted Cruz: GOP will protect Americans with preexisting conditions if Obamacare struck down
 
The DOJ has filed briefs with the supreme court advocating that the supreme court side with Texas and strike down the ACA. This is INDISPUTABLE and public record..

Correct.

But the pre-existing condition guarantee will be preserved in the new legislation.

Per Trump, and now per Ted Cruz.
 
Correct.

But the pre-existing condition guarantee will be preserved in the new legislation.

Per Trump, and now per Ted Cruz.

Let's see it and the cost of that coverage...
 
Let's see it and the cost of that coverage...
Remember, the earliest the Supreme Court could strike down the ACA is this coming Spring.

Which gives Congress ample time, between November and March/April, to pass a Republican replacement bill. As directed by Trump's new series of EOs, giving Azar the authority to work with Congress to get the bill passed.

In terms of the cost, it would need to be reasonable, but not drastically reduced compared to the amount of treatment required. All the ACA does is redistribute the financial burden of expensive medical treatments from those who require treatments to working class Americans purchasing their own insurance.

The only effective way to lower to cost of treatment is to cap the amount of profit made by physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.
 
Remember, the earliest the Supreme Court could strike down the ACA is this coming Spring.

Which gives Congress ample time, between November and March/April, to pass a Republican replacement bill. As directed by Trump's new series of EOs, giving Azar the authority to work with Congress to get the bill passed.

You must be forgetting some pretty big events during the time frame... LMAO....
 
You must be forgetting some pretty big events during the time frame... LMAO....
Good point. But if Trump wins, and Republicans do not lose the Senate, there should be no major disruption.

I added in comments about the cost, two posts up.
 
Greenbeard, it's time to stop lying.


Sen. Ted Cruz: GOP will protect Americans with preexisting conditions if Obamacare struck down

Cruz is lying. His contribution during the GOP's 2017 health care fiasco was an amendment to, you guessed it, bring back pre-existing conditions.

How the Cruz Amendment Might Affect the Marketplace: Applying Different Rules to Competing Health Plans
However, one discussion draft amendment to the BCRA, suggested by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) as part of the July 13 version of the bill, would allow insurers in the non-group market to also sell some policies that would not be required to follow all of the ACA market rules. These noncompliant policies could turn people down or charge them more based on health status and could exclude coverage for pre-existing conditions. In addition, noncompliant policies would not have to meet ACA essential health benefit and cost sharing standards.

They'll tell you they're going to protect those with pre-existing conditions. They are not.
 
If he has a replacement that is better and cheaper why do we need to wait for the Supreme Court? I’m onboard now if it’s better and cheaper.. Let’s see it!
This is true, a better plan and cheaper plan will be a plus. It must contain pre-existing conditions, which Trump has promised. Cost is a big issue as well as coverage. At least half the country doesn't want single payer so the plan has to offer options.
 
Remember, the earliest the Supreme Court could strike down the ACA is this coming Spring.

Which gives Congress ample time, between November and March/April, to pass a Republican replacement bill. As directed by Trump's new series of EOs, giving Azar the authority to work with Congress to get the bill passed.

In terms of the cost, it would need to be reasonable, but not drastically reduced compared to the amount of treatment required. All the ACA does is redistribute the financial burden of expensive medical treatments from those who require treatments to working class Americans purchasing their own insurance.

The only effective way to lower to cost of treatment is to cap the amount of profit made by physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.

Let's say I am a 40 year male who is health and hasn't been to the doctor in years. i drop my heath insurance since I see this as a waste of money. Two years after dropping my health insurance, I start feeling bad and decide to go see a doctor and am diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. Obviously this is going to be expensive so i rush out to buy health insurance and Trump passed a law saying I have to be covered. Any guesses what a premium would cost?
 
He's a one trick con man and his inability to do anything but put things down speaks loudly. He has served as a useful stooge for Putin dividing the US and getting Americans to hate each other.

The only one being manipulated by Putin is the left. He has used them to divide this country and make our government ineffective.

The Affordable Care Act is not affordable. That is why we have so many people without insurance. Trump has asked congress to put together a better plan and he would sign it. We are all still waiting.
 
I have not applied for the ACA in my life so relied on my Son's research. He was a high earner and told me he had to stick with first his company plan and later due to retiring early, he purchased on the open market. ACA did him no good at all.

Something is wrong when laws only apply to a smaller number of citizens.

If you have an offer of affordable coverage from an employer, you can't get financial assistance to strike out on your own. But if you don't have an offer of affordable coverage, you can. Depending on how low your income is you can potentially either be eligible for Medicaid or eligible for tax credits to defray premiums for commercial insurance in the marketplace.

Family SizeMedicaid Eligibility CutoffPremium Affordability Tax Credits Cutoff
1​
$17,600​
$51,000​
2​
$23,800​
$69,000​
3​
$30,000​
$86,900​
4​
$36,200​
$104,800​
5​
$42,300​
$122,700​
6​
$48,500​
$140,600​

If you don't think there should be a cutoff for tax credits at some arbitrary income or you don't believe that people with affordable employer plans should be eligible for getting help to shop on their own, then perhaps you're for the Biden Plan which gets rid of both those things.

That is not Trump at all. This challenge comes from many states of this country.

Trump has filed his brief with the SCOTUS, we know what he wants. He's on the wrong side of protecting people with pre-existing conditions.
 
The Affordable Care Act is not affordable. That is why we have so many people without insurance. Trump has asked congress to put together a better plan and he would sign it. We are all still waiting.

Trump should sign the Biden Plan! Take that issue off the table for Biden. That would show him.
 
The Affordable Care Act is/was based on a lie: “If you like your health plan, you can keep it.”

Millions of Americans LOST their health plan. We lost ours. Before the ACA, we had very good (and AFFORDABLE) health plans, but our plans didn't meet ACA standards. So we got dumped. :mad:

The ACA needs to be repealed. Trump promised to crush the ACA during his 2016 campaign. He's had 4 years - - - he needs to make good on his promise to the people who want our health plans back.

I don't want the government to dictate the terms of my health plan. My doctor and I can figure that out.

When it comes to health care, one size does NOT fit all.
Your doctor has zero input on your health plan.
 
Trump helpfully reminds the voters this morning he's going to court the week after the election to ask the Supreme Court to eliminate the entire Affordable Care Act. Things like pre-existing condition protections, tax credits to help people afford premiums, Medicaid expansion, Medicare reforms, funds for training health care providers and investing in public health, all gone.

Is he right that winding the clock back a decade plus would be a "big win" for the U.S.?

Trump says elimination of Obamacare would be a ‘win for the USA’
Anyone that thinks djt has a plan should look to his Executive Order on preexisting conditions. He put forth an Executive Order for something that is already legal! This tells us two things, (1) there is no R healthplan and (2) djt is a complete idiot that has zero clue as to what the President actually does.
 
When I was still a child, during WW2, my parents took me to a hospital for surgery and never mentioned the cost in my presence. And doctors visits were very low priced. They had no health insurance. Clearly the hospital visit and stay was low priced.

Then the Democrats plans kicked in and all hell broke loose.
During WW II, and into the early 1950s the national socialist fascist Democrats (Truman and FDR) illegally froze all wages in the US. In order to offer potential employees incentives, companies began offering non-wage compensation - like health insurance. Prior to WW II very few people had any kind of health insurance. It has only been since the late 1940s and 1950s when health insurance became a thing that people wanted. Then Democrats destroyed that in 1965 when they created the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid that deliberately uncut the healthcare market.
 
Would the Supreme Court eliminating the Affordable Care Act be a "big win for the USA"?

It would hurt any other politician who accomplished this... as his base is not normal, they are a cult, it will have little impact.
 
When I was still a child, during WW2, my parents took me to a hospital for surgery and never mentioned the cost in my presence. And doctors visits were very low priced. They had no health insurance. Clearly the hospital visit and stay was low priced.

Then the Democrats plans kicked in and all hell broke loose.

Your stupidest post yet... that is saying something.
 
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