Would the Supreme Court eliminating the Affordable Care Act be a "big win for the USA"?

[Moderate Right]

I don't recall saying anything about "100,000 Americans," the GOP strategy of eliminating the Affordable Care Act would strip coverage from tens of millions of Americans immediately. And since it would also eliminate pre-existing condition protections, during a pandemic that's creating new ones in millions of Americans, the long-term consequences may dwarf the immediate carnage.

Anyway, your beef seems to be with "the left," so take it up with them. The topic is whether eliminating the ACA would be a "big win" for Americans.

You guys say that if the ACA were eliminated a couple of hundred thousand Americans would lose their health insurance. I'm assuming those would be the ones on the Medicare expansion. But, if we bring on MFA, over 100 million people will lose their health insurance.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It is a quote from the EO. Your interpretation is incorrect.

Save yourself typing by posting the actual document from the Source.

 

[Greenbeard]

You guys say that if the ACA were eliminated a couple of hundred thousand Americans would lose their health insurance. I'm assuming those would be the ones on the Medicare expansion.

Literally nobody says that. The actual number of people who stand to lose coverage is in the tens of millions.

 

[mrjurrs]

Highlight the quote, right click, search google for quote.

Any examples of a President's EO setting business policy for private enterprise? Sounds like government controlling business decisions...you're so afraid of small s socialism you're advocating a demand economy. Will we all have to start wearing orange make-up too?

 

[Ikari]

Trump helpfully reminds the voters this morning he's going to court the week after the election to ask the Supreme Court to eliminate the entire Affordable Care Act. Things like pre-existing condition protections, tax credits to help people afford premiums, Medicaid expansion, Medicare reforms, funds for training health care providers and investing in public health, all gone.

Is he right that winding the clock back a decade plus would be a "big win" for the U.S.?

Trump says elimination of Obamacare would be a ‘win for the USA’

Well it will probably be a win for Insurance Companies and Corporate Healthcare. Not sure it's a win for the People though. However, I'm pretty sure Trump and the Cult are not out for The People as much as they are trying to erase anything Obama did since they apparently don't like a Black President having made any sort of changes.

 

[Moderate Right]

Literally nobody says that. The actual number of people who stand to lose coverage is in the tens of millions.

The number who would lose their insurance with MFA would be in the hundreds of millions.

 

[Greenbeard]

The number who would lose their insurance with MFA would be in the hundreds of millions.

Greenbeard’s Law: As an online discussion of the Affordable Care Act grows longer, the probability of extraneous references to Medicare for All approaches 1.

 

[bomberfox]

Yes Obama caved on single payer because he fell for the GOP's lie that they were willing to make the ACA bipartisan but not with single payer. They added 100's of amendments to the bill and turned around and voted 100% against it. Biden will not be fooled and single payer will be added to the ACA or a new similar plan if the SC tries to strike it down.

Pssh Biden still thinks trumpism is a fever dream, odds are he will fall for it.

 

[Ikari]

Greenbeard’s Law: As an online discussion of the Affordable Care Act grows longer, the probability of extraneous references to Medicare for All approaches 1.

Well what I'd like to know is how would hundreds of millions lose insurance if we went to a Medicade for All system? Wouldn't EVERYONE have insurance under a MFA system?

 

[Greenbeard]

Well what I'd like to know is how would hundreds of millions lose insurance if we went to a Medicade for All system? Wouldn't EVERYONE have insurance under a MFA system?

I'm sure he just means people would swap their employer or marketplace coverage for a Medicare plan. Which apparently is equivalent to the GOP stripping tens of millions of people of their coverage and leaving them with nothing. During a pandemic.

Anyway, standard deflection to MFA.

 

[Ikari]

I'm sure he just means people would swap their employer or marketplace coverage for a Medicare plan. Which apparently is equivalent to the GOP stripping tens of millions of people of their coverage and leaving them with nothing. During a pandemic.

Anyway, standard deflection to MFA.

Well it's not that the right has ever really made any coherent argument about MFA. Mostly they just scream socialism and run around the room. Meanwhile, they offer no counter to fix our clearly broken healthcare system beyond "let the poor die". Which has seemed to be their go-to for decades now.

 

[Moderate Right]

Greenbeard’s Law: As an online discussion of the Affordable Care Act grows longer, the probability of extraneous references to Medicare for All approaches 1.

Moderate Right's Law: As we get closer and closer to the election the left will continue saying that Republicans want to take American's health care away, even though the poor will have free care and most everyone else will continue having coverage through their employers but at a cheaper rate than Obamacare, assuming that the ACA will actually be made invalid. You may want to check out this article:

Barrett high-court vote against Obamacare not as certain as Democrats claim

U.S. Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett’s comments suggesting she backed challenges to the Obamacare healthcare law do not ensure she would vote to invalidate it in an upcoming case, despite Democrats' claims to the contrary.

www.reuters.com

This is from Reuters, not Fox News.

 

[Guyzilla]

Trump helpfully reminds the voters this morning he's going to court the week after the election to ask the Supreme Court to eliminate the entire Affordable Care Act. Things like pre-existing condition protections, tax credits to help people afford premiums, Medicaid expansion, Medicare reforms, funds for training health care providers and investing in public health, all gone.

Is he right that winding the clock back a decade plus would be a "big win" for the U.S.?

Trump says elimination of Obamacare would be a ‘win for the USA’

The BETTER is, those that are SUPPOSED to die, DIE. Obamacare, INTERVENES in that NATURAL process. And sticks the healthy with a bill higher than paying only for BEST cases.
The right wing thinks that the ill should have to BEG for their lives. And the right wing is putting CHARITIES under the REPUBLICANS. So, they can pick and choose who is saved.

This is the BETTER plan. And, Trump will allow kids to buy worthless cheap ins, as they will live forever.


The only better is for those that made too much for help with payments.

 

[Guyzilla]

ACA flat turns you down for the program once you earn more than $37,000. ACA is not a health care provider. It made up rules. Rules must be reversed.

When i receive Medicare, my provider can't limit me and the Govt. pays the doctor or hospital. I have been using a Nurse Practitioner as a doctor so the health provider gets to pay lower wages.

Think of it this way to clear it all up.

Make the ACA a program to get fuel to all of us.

And the fuel costs a hell of a lot per gallon. So the ACA imposes on the sellers they must lose money. And the ACA does it by severely undercutting payments to the doctors, or to use the case on fuel, to the owner of the station and the oil company.

Quality of service has to decline. They can't provide top rated service on such low incomes.

Trump JUST signed an EO that states, insurance companies will pay for preexisting conditions, SAITH Trump. No, you will get nothing for this, but MY reelection as President. You, will pay for my UNFUNDED MANDATE.

 

[Guyzilla]

If there were preexisting conditions, RIGHT NOW, we would have people HIDING they have covid, so that they wouldnt have a REGISTERED preexisting condition.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Trump JUST signed an EO that states, insurance companies will pay for preexisting conditions, SAITH Trump. No, you will get nothing for this, but MY reelection as President. You, will pay for my UNFUNDED MANDATE.

Kindly display the actual EO you speak of.

 

[Robertinfremont]

If there were preexisting conditions, RIGHT NOW, we would have people HIDING they have covid, so that they wouldnt have a REGISTERED preexisting condition.

Covid is not the major health problem that Cancer and heart attacks are.

 

[Guyzilla]

Covid is not the major health problem that Cancer and heart attacks are.

HAving had ACNE as a child, will make you UNINSURABLE, at least if you got a SKIN condition, like cancer.

 

[swing_voter]

Most of the people who use Obamacare are trump supporters.

Auto mechanics, electricians, restaurant owners, etc, are self employed and all have to buy their health insurance from insurance companies.

Obamacare is the best value in health insurance for them. It's way cheaper than buying on your own.

So it's a mystery to me why trump supporters hate Obamacare. Obamacare is in their interest.

Is it because Obama was a black man?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Well it's not that the right has ever really made any coherent argument about MFA. Mostly they just scream socialism and run around the room. Meanwhile, they offer no counter to fix our clearly broken healthcare system beyond "let the poor die". Which has seemed to be their go-to for decades now.

Why do you allege the health care system is broken if you approve ACA?

 

[Robertinfremont]

HAving had ACNE as a child, will make you UNINSURABLE, at least if you got a SKIN condition, like cancer.

So you fear cancer far more than COVID19 is your claim?

 

[Guyzilla]

So you fear cancer far more than COVID19 is your claim?

NO, I am saying, ANY preexisting condition, can be construed to exempt insurer from covering, HOPING you dont have the wherewithall, to seek legal redress, and particularly before you are DEAD.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't give a damn why Democrat filth intentionally violated the US Constitution. There is a never a good a excuse for violating the Supreme Law of the Land, but Democrats do it every damn day. It is their illegal actions that caused medical costs to soar and insurance premiums to skyrocket. It is not the place of the federal government to involve itself in our healthcare.

You might be interested to know that all of the other G-8 countries, plus China, PLUS the vast majority of the European countries all have some sort of NON-PROFIT Universal Healthcare Insurance program AND that they all spend less per capita on healthcare than the US does.

That should mean, if I follow your drift, that in all of those countries people have a HIGHER chance of dying from COVID-19 than they do in the US.

The reality is that

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they don't. In fact, the only one of those eight areas that comes even close to doing worse then the US is the UK which is still within the ±5% range on ONE of the THREE metrics. That means that the US is tied for last place, and slipping daily.

However, I am sure that the American Healthcare Insurance Industry, the American Hospital Services Provision Industry, the American Medical Services Provision Industry, and the Americans Funeral Services Provision Industry are all highly grateful for your unstinting support of their constitutional right to make profits.

 

[Bassman]

There is no such thing as choice now.

Like there would be under Soviet Style government run health"care" you advocate?

 

[Greenbeard]

Moderate Right's Law: As we get closer and closer to the election the left will continue saying that Republicans want to take American's health care away, even though the poor will have free care and most everyone else will continue having coverage through their employers but at a cheaper rate than Obamacare, assuming that the ACA will actually be made invalid. You may want to check out this article:

Barrett high-court vote against Obamacare not as certain as Democrats claim

U.S. Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett’s comments suggesting she backed challenges to the Obamacare healthcare law do not ensure she would vote to invalidate it in an upcoming case, despite Democrats' claims to the contrary.

www.reuters.com

This is from Reuters, not Fox News.

"Maybe the GOP will fail in court" isn't a refutation of the fact that they want to take Americans' health care away. They've tried and been thwarted many times over the past decade. And of course Americans of good conscience hope they will be again.

The GOP's failure to achieve its goal doesn't absolve it for the attempts.